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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Molly on 28/08/2003 12:27:17
Sorry CCP, but you are a bunch of incompetent liers.
Instead of fixing the long time (1.5 moths now) sensor booster and dampener CTD bug, you issued 3 warnings, the last even with ban threatenings.
I have lost a ship due to this bug as of 17th July 2003 and I have been told by you that you can't reimburse me, because you are not able to track what modules the players are turning on and what not in the fight. As it looks now you either use dry threats in the news or you are able to track who is turning on what modules?!
Dozens of people have lost ships due to this particular bug which got even worse as of last patch and you are too DUMB or too LAZY to merge the patch into the live server and all you do is to post some news about it to encourage players to use the modules to exploit by making it public instead of applying a patch, which is the only solution to the situation you created.
You are a bunch of noob-programmers.
N O O B - P R O G R A M M E R S!
You really don't care about the people using the modules on daily basis and you really don't care about people losing ships due to this modules since weeks. You prefer to prepare a next big yada yada broken patch instead of fixing all the small annyoing bugs ONE BYE ONE ASAP!
Wake up! It is time to move on and finally fix it!
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Jake Pliskin
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:31:00 -
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I was going to post on this latest news item but i'd seen Molly had beaten me to it.
I'd heard that the activating sensor boosting causing CTD problem was a sound related bug, or is it more complicated than that?
If it is sound related, then why not just remove the audio that is generated when activated a sensor booster.
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Alkad Mzu
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:33:00 -
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I'm sure people (including devs) would listen idly to your otherwise valid concerns, if you weren't such a complete and utter *******.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:33:00 -
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For us the game crashes every day 7-8 times to destop - without sensor boosters and i see hundrets of players having the same problem. We pay for this game and its ok when some bugs appear, but u cant make players responsible for the bugs! Some players dont even read the news or the forum. Plz tell exactly what items shouldnt be used and patch it soon, because sensor boosters are important items.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:36:00 -
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I'm sure people (including devs) would listen idly to your otherwise valid concerns, if you weren't such a complete and utter *******.
Seconded.
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"My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead."
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:37:00 -
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It is more complicated than that.
Pre-patch situation was:
"So we have a bug here, which occures sometimes when you activate the modules. You client crashes to desktop or freezes. If you are in combat, your opponets will destroy your ship, because it lasts for 2 minutes in space after you have lost connection to the server. I don't know if it is server or client side bug, prolly both, because it seems to occur more often, when a player with a Sensor Booster meets a Sensor Dampener user and the effect calculation should be done on the server. As you may have noticed the effect sometimes lasts for ever, even if the person using this module has already left for hours, this is also an indication that there is something wrong on the server side too."
The patch made it worse and I stopped using them then. The bug seems to be related to the family of bugs where 2 people are trying to use the same (like draining cap) or countering effect (like boosters vs. dampeners) on each other and then crash. The sound issue is new as of the latest patch.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:40:00 -
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Alkad Mzu and Beringe, I have petitioned this politly and asked to pass the information to the developers.
Nothing happened.
I have posted in the patch review forum about it and asked politly to fix it, some others did it too.
Nothing happened.
SI members have filed bug reports.
Nothing happend.
Yes. I am an ******** for demanding to fix a long time bug ruining the game play for a lot of people. Did you lose your freaking battleship to it like Cao Cao did e.g.?
No. You are just a fanboy posting off-topic.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:42:00 -
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There is never, ever an excuse for such utter disrespect and impoliteness on a public forum.
If the other methods weren't working, this one certainly won't.
Also, there are better ways to get attention. Most adults realize this at an early age.
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"My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead."
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Entity
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:45:00 -
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If you read past the flaming trollfest, she has a good point though 
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Bogusheadbox
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:46:00 -
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Jerry springer enters the room.
Molly i see you have come on tonights show to let the world know of your greivances with the EVE game and the apparent CTD problems.
<Crowd goes wild>
Molly, i have heard your concerns, and well i have someone behind the screen that may want to speak to you.
<big ooooh eminates from the audience - the crowd becomes restless>
Do you want to meet her Molly ? <crowd squeels in excitment> OK, here she is - - - -Bring out Pann !!
< audience cries a lifetime of obsenities and boos directed at pann>
<pann> - well molly i think your comments are hurtful to my godlike persona on these boards. Keep that attitude up hun and i will rip your curly locks from the top of your head.
<molly> Yo hoe! Don't ya start dissin me, cause i will whop you back to that rack you cralled from.
<crowd jumps to their feet screamining - "Fight Fight Fight!">
<pann> only one thing i have to say to you molly - ---- " Click"
<Molly grabs chair, Crowds starts chanting - "go molly, Go molly, go Molly>
<Molly> I am gonna bust you like mike tyson on his honeymoon.
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<Jerry> Well ladies - i guess there is a lesson to be learnt here. But i don't really give a ****. I just want you two to get naked and the mud to be thrown in.
JOin us next time when we have Moo vs's carebares.
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Dip me in chocolate and throw me to the *******s.
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Alkad Mzu
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:47:00 -
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Yes. I am an ******** for demanding to fix a long time bug ruining the game play for a lot of people. Did you lose your freaking battleship to it like Cao Cao did e.g.?
No. You are just a fanboy posting off-topic.
I was dead on topic, as this thread is about venting, not bugfixing. You know full well that ranting here never solved a single problem ingame.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:47:00 -
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Hehe.
In my opinion they are a bunch of incompetent liers (if they can track the exploit, why can't they track a loss?), noob-programmers and too lazy or too dumb to fix a long time bug.
Respect needs to be deserved and at the topic of not doing any emergency fixing on bugs CCP earns as much disrespect as I can give them.
Fight the cause and not the results.
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Shadow Walker
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:47:00 -
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NO MORE CTD's!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:50:00 -
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"There is never, ever an excuse for such utter disrespect and impoliteness on a public forum."
... I don't know, one could say having their valid and quite crucial concerns repeatedly ignored to the point of not even getting a response... 'tis quite disrespectful and impolite way to handle things on its own, non?..
anyway, in before the inevitable lock... hi, mom :o!
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:53:00 -
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I'm curious - What do you actually know about programming?
Do you realize that the problem might be near impossible to track, because the tools that CCP is using might have unexpected clashes with third-party (i.e. not CCP and not the OS) software or hardware?
Do you realize that (like CCP has stated) some bugs may look the same but actually be ten different bugs?
Have you tried contacting the devs quietly and behind the scenes? Did you get a response? Are you sure that they knew about the problem as long as you did?
Of course, now I'm nitpicking. But in *my opinion* people shouldn't flame others professionalism before they made damned well sure that they deserved it. And you really do sound like some kid (although I realize that you're probably not) who doesn't have the patience or understanding to realize anything that happens outside your own personal gaming experience.
In short, you're just ranting uselessly, and you're totally self-centered. So what else is new?
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"My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead."
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Kesh Inehre
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:56:00 -
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"If the other methods weren't working, this one certainly won't."
I wouldn't say that. Wenting some steam may make Molly feel better.
Never underestemate ppls need to scream...
-Kesh
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:57:00 -
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... I don't know, one could say having their valid and quite crucial concerns repeatedly ignored to the point of not even getting a response... 'tis quite disrespectful and impolite way to handle things on its own, non?..
Of course! If Molly really did go through all the proper channels and was told to *uck off, then I'd understand.
But I never saw any of that. We all know that many petitions are answered, and many bugs are fixed, usually due to someone describing the bug in detail and providing a means to reproduce it (I did it myself some three days ago, and got back a certain 3000 megacyte that a certain corp scammed out of us in the trade window).
If this post is anything close to the way that Molly usually communicates, I'm not surprised if she was ignored. If she tried communicating properly at all.
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"My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead."
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Bogusheadbox
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:59:00 -
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Not flame - Baaaah Where is the fun in that.
<Grabs nearest flame thrower>
" I like the smell of napalm in the morning. It smells like.........smells like VICTORY !"
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:59:00 -
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I'm curious - What do you actually know about programming?
Do you realize that the problem might be near impossible to track, because the tools that CCP is using might have unexpected clashes with third-party (i.e. not CCP and not the OS) software or hardware?
Do you realize that (like CCP has stated) some bugs may look the same but actually be ten different bugs?
Have you tried contacting the devs quietly and behind the scenes? Did you get a response? Are you sure that they knew about the problem as long as you did?
Of course, now I'm nitpicking. But in *my opinion* people shouldn't flame others professionalism before they made damned well sure that they deserved it. And you really do sound like some kid (although I realize that you're probably not) who doesn't have the patience or understanding to realize anything that happens outside your own personal gaming experience.
In short, you're just ranting uselessly, and you're totally self-centered. So what else is new?
The bugs have been fixed on chaos for more than a week already, but TomB is currently busy making missiles slow accelerating, high top speed long range weapons.
The ignorance is strong in this one.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ulstan on 28/08/2003 13:03:59
Basically CCP has been a stone wall of apathy and silence in this whole situation. We've been appealing the sensor booster/dampeners causing ctd's for weeks and weeks. Many of us made threads on the patch review forum to try to bring it to their attention.
Lots and lots of people lost ships to this bug, when someone used a dampener on them and then they crashed. Or if you used a dampener and then you crashed.
Naturally, CCP tell us that they can't track modules like that and can't reimburse our ships.
Sensor boosters are a very integral module for PvP. It's completely unnaceptable to have them bugged for so long like this. Put in an *emergency* patch. Don't make us wait weeks and weeks for the current vesion on Chaos to go live.
And now they seem to be implying they can track module use.
Which is it?
"But I never saw any of that."
Well I have. :) I've submitted appeals. I know others have. And we've posted many threads in the patch review forums. If this forum had a search feature you could go back and find it :)
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:02:00 -
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The bugs have been fixed on chaos for more than a week already, but TomB is currently busy making missiles slow accelerating, high top speed long range weapons.
The ignorance is strong in this one.
Sorry, I don't care. I don't log on to chaos except to reproduce bugs.
In essence, you are telling me that this flame-fest is a demand for a bugfix that will be here next patch? That's even worse.
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"My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead."
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Bogusheadbox
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:02:00 -
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Lets face it. It is due to the lack of space monkeys in game.
Or is it because space monkeys are working on it.
Just can't figure it out really
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:08:00 -
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"Of course! If Molly really did go through all the proper channels and was told to *uck off, then I'd understand.
But I never saw any of that."
... I did see Setec (i think) raising the subject on the Patch Review forum (which is one of the few the devs supposedly read and sometimes even address some issues there) with the references to previous --discrete to keep number of possible exploiters down-- reports about the issue made by the SI people.(Molly being one of them)
IIRC 'tis was met with no (public) response or acknowledgment from the dev team...
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:12:00 -
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Sorry, I don't care. I don't log on to chaos except to reproduce bugs.
In essence, you are telling me that this flame-fest is a demand for a bugfix that will be here next patch? That's even worse.
You should care, because the devs are guilty of MAJOR negligence on this absolutely crucial part of PvP, and as such has effected a very large portion of the playerbase.
The fact that its fixed on chaos does make it worse imo, the devs are implying they dont consider this bug vital, and are content to ban innocent people that already were the victims of this bug for weeks.
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:13:00 -
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Last news so far:
<TomB> we making a patch right now to fix ur sens boost
thank you.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:17:00 -
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... I did see Setec (i think) raising the subject on the Patch Review forum
<snip>
Then I owe Molly an apology.
I'm sorry.
I still don't think the flames are helping, but at least they're not totally uncalled for.
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"My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead."
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Molly on 28/08/2003 13:24:29
"I'm curious - What do you actually know about programming?"
Not everything, but a lot. I have been leading a team of 7 programmers in a 50 people company developing an operating system for digital set-top-boxes, writing around 50k source code lines by myself, so I feel qualified to rant about emergency fixing bugs as much as I want to.
Epecially I know that doing a FEATURE STOP and doing BUGFIXING ONLY is a common programming technique to improve software quality vastly. Especially I know that EMERGENCY BUGFIXES into a stable build improve the software quality vastly.
"Do you realize that the problem might be near impossible to track, because the tools that CCP is using might have unexpected clashes with third-party (i.e. not CCP and not the OS) software or hardware?"
Thank you for generalizing a bug. It is specific. People crash to desktop upon activation of specific modules. Good indication to start with the tracking.
"Do you realize that (like CCP has stated) some bugs may look the same but actually be ten different bugs?"
Yup. So what? They are fixing some and introducing new in same modules? Then they did not fix anything at all.
"Have you tried contacting the devs quietly and behind the scenes? Did you get a response? Are you sure that they knew about the problem as long as you did?"
The GMs assured me to pass the petition result to the developers, the developers are reading the Patch Review forum where I have posted it and the developers are hopefuly reading the bug reports which have been filed by SI members. I don't need to contact anyone behind the scenes to help, I did my best using 3 official ways to inform them about that.
"Of course, now I'm nitpicking. But in *my opinion* people shouldn't flame others professionalism before they made damned well sure that they deserved it. And you really do sound like some kid (although I realize that you're probably not) who doesn't have the patience or understanding to realize anything that happens outside your own personal gaming experience."
Yeah. Could be the circumstances. That's why we have had the first warning 2 weeks ago and the bug is still on the live server. That's why a lot of people have used a lot of different ways to comminicate this particular problem and that's why it is still on the live server.
You can really blow this up to a philosophical discussion if you want to. The facts remain:
It is a long time bug, a lot of people lost ships because of it. It is still on the live server.
"In short, you're just ranting uselessly, and you're totally self-centered. So what else is new?"
Yes. I am so self-centered. Rofl. I would center my arse on my programming chair, eat a pizza and drink a coke and then center the cursor to the place where the bug resides, fix it, commit the fix and merge it. Problem solved.
Or I could ask some people to write 2 messages to warn people and I could ask people to write a 3rd message to warn people because the first 2 messages made the problem even worse.
Or I could hug a lot and tell you all for hours what I like about the game, give you all some cookies and tea, hug you a bit more, gather trillions of experts to talk about this bug and stuff, hug you more, give you some more cookies, tell you how much I like Pann.
CCP's luck is around us being end-users. If CCP would have to deliver their product to a professional customer they would have closed their doors a long time ago.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:34:00 -
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Or I could hug a lot and tell you all for hours what I like about the game, give you all some cookies and tea, hug you a bit more, gather trillions of experts to talk about this bug and stuff, hug you more, give you some more cookies, tell you how much I like Pann.
Interesting. I know this is a bit off topic, and honestly I'm not trying to flame in any way, but what DO you like about the game? :)
As a professional programmer myself I agree with you that issuing warnings is no excuse for tracking bugs down and fixing them, and the cause of the bug is VERY SPECIFIC. Most fixes that land on the pile on my desk rarely explicity define themeselves quite like this one does. You got a sensor booster, you activate it, boom, CTD. I'd say that narrows the possibilities down for debugging a hell of a lot. I may not agree with HOW you start discussions on the board Molly, but everyone has their opinions and everyone voices them differently and I can respect that.
___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie// |
Beringe
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:37:00 -
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Or I could hug a lot and tell you all for hours what I like about the game, give you all some cookies and tea, hug you a bit more, gather trillions of experts to talk about this bug and stuff, hug you more, give you some more cookies, tell you how much I like Pann.
You were doing well right up until this point.
I already said I'm sorry - I definitely had the wrong idea about you (I think it may be the all caps "you are all noob probgrammers" bit that did it).
But you could have gotten all that across just as effectively without that sentence. All it did was to pour a little more ire onto me - who already apologized for making false assumptions about you.
I'm sure you know the problem of balancing feature requests and bugfixes well enough - I deal with this thing every day myself. And I sure don't appreciate disorganizations in my co-workers or contractors - but I don't displace my ire.
The devs don't even read this forum, with very few exceptions. Nothing they've ever done or said gives that impression.
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"My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead."
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:38:00 -
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"Interesting. I know this is a bit off topic, and honestly I'm not trying to flame in any way, but what DO you like about the game? :)"
Enough to quit a few times and still play it. I don't need to validate my critique with good points on other things. There are enough of them, the developers have created a master-piece of a game. But it would be even better with some emergency fixes  .
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Jericho
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:41:00 -
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You are an ******* Molly. How could anyone ever take you seriously when you flame every single thing about the game...
If I was a GM and saw a petition from "Molly", I would toss that ****** right in the recycle bin...
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 28/08/2003 13:46:00
I understand Molly's anger at it perfectly. If you give it a second of thought, you'd prolly be outraged too.
CCP has left people vulnerable to an exploit for over a month. It has told people, via their repeated warnings, how to use this exploit. It has had pirates tripping over themselves in an effort to track down the bug and eliminate it. So why be outraged?
Because almost from day 1 it was tracked to being sound related and instead of quickly removing the frelling sound, people had to go through a month of them playing with synthesizers and sound cards.
The sound for the module is far less a necessity than the module itself. Last patch, most of my sounds deactivated. But I can still play the frellin game. Spooky but I can still hear a lock alert and that's all that's required IMO.
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You are an ******* Molly. How could anyone ever take you seriously when you flame every single thing about the game...
If I was a GM and saw a petition from "Molly", I would toss that ****** right in the recycle bin...
Someone said something this and mentioned the gene pool. I said in reply I like Molly's end of the Gene Pool better than the end you describe. That's the end of the gene pool that'd rather drown than climb in a boat with someone they don't like. That's also the stupid end of the gene pool.
Hopefully CCP shows more maturity than people from that end of the gene pool. Else they're gonna drown.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:44:00 -
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Lol.
Calling a skilled programmer a noob programmer is not the end of the world.
Everyone makes mistakes, I have coded enough of bugs by myself. But knowing about them and not fixing them and DOCUMENTING them for the public makes me somehow mad. Too much steps around a problem.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:47:00 -
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You are an ******* Molly. How could anyone ever take you seriously when you flame every single thing about the game...
If I was a GM and saw a petition from "Molly", I would toss that ****** right in the recycle bin...
She/he is NOT flaming every single thing about the game, this is a very specific issue that is absurd in the time it's taken to fix. I mean what's next, will there be an SOE-style removal of the item from the game entirely? I think that IS the next step in the EverQuest Bugfixing Manual, right after the banning of users getting smacked by a fixable bug.
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Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:57:00 -
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I expected CCP to release a patch to fix those sensor boosters within a couple of days after announcing they were aware of the exploit. Not having done so is quite unprofessional.
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You think Marco Polo said
"Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ?
-Indigo Seqi
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EvePlayer 13
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Posted - 2003.08.28 14:02:00 -
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CCP could have fixed this problem at any time in the last 2 months. They could simply have removed the sound from those items until they found the cause. Instead they want to start banning people for using the only module that gives you a chance in PvP. I say that is total bull **** CCP.
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NeoMorph
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Posted - 2003.08.28 14:15:00 -
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Well we have just tested out the fix (a new audio.dll) on Chaos and it looks to be a winner...
I'd rather they didnt rush a fix out as that is the sort of thing that causes more bugs to appear. Been there, done that, got the *******ing... heh
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<Stavros> was a honda gold wing
<Ak-Gara> hah
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Othnark
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:19:00 -
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Well it looks like all you Molly-whiners stuck your feet about knee-deep into your collective mouthes. Unscheduled downtime to fix the sensor boosters.... nice work.
Does anyone know if this will take care of the cap neutralizers also?
-Othnark
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:43:00 -
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Thank you for fixing it CCP.
There is hope.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:44:00 -
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"IIRC 'tis was met with no (public) response or acknowledgment from the dev team..."
Nope, nothing. :(
But suddenly, the same day Molly makes this post, we get results! The emergency patch we needed :)
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:46:00 -
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Asking for things to be done should never involve ceaseless ranting and raving about how CCP are "liars", Molly.
Hurrah! for the fix though.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:52:00 -
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We can not track the usage of ship modules for reimbursement issues.
We can track the usage of ship modules for exploit issues.
Contradicting, isn't it? In both cases someone is crashing.
I am ending the discussion here for me with the final statement that everyone would be more satisfied if CCP would do such emergency fixing on a regular basis. I think the community doesn't have problems with daily or bi-weekly patches to improve game stability.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:52:00 -
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That's actually a good point I'd like to see addressed Joshua.
CCP is lying, no doubt about it.
Either they can track module use, like they say they can to ban people using sensor boosters, or they can't track module use, like they say when it comes to reimbursing lost ships.
Obviously both can't be true, so one is untrue, hence, they are lying.
Personally, given the very mediocre logging ability CCP seems to have, I am guessing the lie is when they say they *can* track modules and it was nothing more than an empty threat to try to scare people into not using the modules.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:55:00 -
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Perhaps they can track the KIND of module but not the specific module itself.
I have no idea if CCP were lying and I'd hate to throw that kind of accusation around without solid proof.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.28 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ana Khouri on 28/08/2003 16:02:06
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Perhaps they can track the KIND of module but not the specific module itself.
Even if that's the case CCP is still contradicting itself. The ability to track the kind of module would totally suffice to track down a bug-related ship loss.
Btw - when exactly was the sensor booster bug first made public in the forums? Would be usefull to know so one can estimate when you can use energy neutralizers as well.
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Gushi
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Posted - 2003.08.28 16:15:00 -
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Okay, now we just have to wait for the next big bug so CCP can threaten us for expoliting it again. You made excellent points Molly and I back your flamming 100%. I have lost 2 blackbirds and a Moa fully loaded with moduals due to CTD's. 2 of them I can be almost certain were caused by either boosters or dampeners. I didn't file a petition because the loss only fuels my fire to flame. 
But seriously though is it really so hard to stay on top of fixes. I know at times I get behind in my work, but then I just put forth the extra effort to get caught up. It's just simple job security, but then maybe most of these CCP Devs are fresh in the job market and don't quite understand job security yet.
Take what ya kin... Gives nothin back!!!
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Toshiro Hasegawa
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Posted - 2003.08.28 16:27:00 -
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My guess - and only it is only a guess - is that CCP "can" track, but "will not". The "can not" suggesting not the ability to do so, but the ability to do so while doing everything else. To have to check back every time someone loses a ship would be a pain the butt and would limit time spent on patches, fixes, and releasing new material; this making it impossible and thus validating the ôcantö statement.
The one thing i would like to add, is that I do not think you can please everyone all the time. If since release they had not added anything new, but had fixed all the bugs, there would be just as many people in here screaming about the need for this and that to be added to the game.
People will always find fault, especially in others, and I am all in favour of these faults being voiced. What I have issue with, is the lack of respect people show for their fellow humans, but I guess that is the state our societies find themselves in.
On a public forum there is no need for slander, profanity or general confrontational language, especially when you are trying to get a lucid, valuable point across; it always detracts from the argument being presented. Age is not a factor, I have seen children, younger than the youngest player in Eve show more maturity than many members of our community. Possibly the anonymity of the internet lends itself to people feeling that there is no need for decorum, or possibly some people were never taught the need for it. In our western society the individual is so exalted that many find it impossible to see past their own centric view of the world and display even a modicum of empathy.
For shame.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2003.08.28 16:46:00 -
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Toshi,
The unfortunate truth is age is OFTEN a factor, but not always a factor. You'd probably be surprised just how many of the blatantly idiotic individuals on this board aren't the stereotypical 13 year old retards you'd expect. The flip side of course is that I've met plenty of people around that age in MMOGs that are lightyears more mature than most players. I guess the point is, idiocy isn't based solely on a specific age group. :)
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Sputnik Stan
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Posted - 2003.08.28 16:52:00 -
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We can not track the usage of ship modules for reimbursement issues.
We can track the usage of ship modules for exploit issues.
Contradicting, isn't it? In both cases someone is crashing.
I am ending the discussion here for me with the final statement that everyone would be more satisfied if CCP would do such emergency fixing on a regular basis. I think the community doesn't have problems with daily or bi-weekly patches to improve game stability.
Seeing as the server is down daily, daily bug fixes should definitely be introduced.
With regard to tracking module activation, I've had communications from GMs regarding module activation (at the start of retail), so they have some sort of tracking ability. How useful it is I can't say.
Seeing as ccp do not excel in the organisation, information passing department it wouldn't suprise me if the ability to track module activation was not known by alot of GMs or they are being kept in the dark to keep petition load lower. This post is mostly speculation, seeing as solid information is hard to come by, beleive it at your own peril.
Nice one Molly, seems like your thread fixed a bug for us.
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Rinekar
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Posted - 2003.08.28 17:01:00 -
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I have petitioned this politly and asked to pass the information to the developers.
I find this highly improbable, because your conduct on the board is quite the opposite...
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Magallen
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Posted - 2003.08.28 17:02:00 -
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CTS's suck and I'm sure CCP is hard at work fixing them. By the way CCP are not n00b programmers, the game runs very well and is quite stable and just a few months into it's launch too.
What I may say is CCP is a bunch of n00b MMORPG developers. Their are so many balancing issues in this game and most of these they should have seen comming a mile away. Some of the things they do with the patches boggles my mind it goes against sensibility and common sense.
I think CCP team is so small that right now all they can go is go play bug hunter with EVE. Balancing and content is taking a backseat for the technical stuff first.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.28 17:42:00 -
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"I find this highly improbable, because your conduct on the board is quite the opposite..."
It doesn't matter if you find it improbable that Molly did or not - she is far from the only person who spent time trying to bring this to the devs attention. All of us were pretty much ignored :)
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2003.08.28 17:50:00 -
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"I find this highly improbable, because your conduct on the board is quite the opposite..."
It doesn't matter if you find it improbable that Molly did or not - she is far from the only person who spent time trying to bring this to the devs attention. All of us were pretty much ignored :)
Ignored is probably an overstatement. I'm sure it went on someone's to-do list, or ended up on a napkin near someone's desk. :)
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.08.28 17:56:00 -
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I have petitioned this politly and asked to pass the information to the developers.
I find this highly improbable, because your conduct on the board is quite the opposite...
Doesn't matter what you belive. Fact of the matter is your beliefs don't count
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
SuicideFred
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Posted - 2003.08.28 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: Molly on 28/08/2003 12:27:17
Sorry CCP, but you are a bunch of incompetent liers.
You said you were going to quit.
I guess you lied huh?
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.28 22:06:00 -
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Which makes the entrie issue with ccps...duability ok, right?
@ which flame molly - who has some very valid points - one only uses personel attacks when he has no arguments left...
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.11.10 03:15:00 -
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Sorry for bringing this old topic up, but with the recent discussions about the falling playerbase I'd like to ask CCP:
HOW CAN YOU LEAVE A BUG WITH KNOWLEDGE OF THIS BUG FOR 4 MONTHS IN THE GAME?
Quoting myself here as of 2003-08-28:
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Thank you for fixing it CCP.
There is hope.
There is no hope. It's fixed in the current development branch on Chaos. What has been fixed so far on TQ was the audio bug, not the original older one.
So, it takes them approx 4 months (4 MONTHS!) to apply a fix to Chaos.
I wonder if there is a coherence between CCP's inability to fix bugs and the decreasing player base.
But since Sensor Dampeners got a nice nerf and the player base dropped (= less Sensor Dampener users = less ship losses) they do not care at all.
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Kasha > Mastema, face the reality: All the juicy dots are gone.
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2003.11.10 05:19:00 -
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Edited by: Dyvim Slorm on 10/11/2003 05:21:50
I had this exploit used against me. As far as the GM's are concerned it's now a valid part of gameplay on the grounds that everyone knows about it.
Molly's right on this one, I don't think CCP give a damn about it.
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