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John McCreedy	Posted - 2006.01.30 21:12:00 - [1] There seems to be some joker out there who seems to think it's funny sending guys who are new to Eve to ASCN space for some kind of mission. This is a friendly warning to you all. Due to ASCN's boarders being closed, you will be shot and killed. Do not accept any mission that sends you to either Impass or Feythabolis regions. I'd also strongly recomend you don't enter 0.0 space until you're ready. Eve Defence Force doesn't enjoy killing noobs but we also will uphold the laws of our Alliance and cannot differentiate between genuine noobs and spy-alts. Please trust that we only have your best intersts at heart Make a Difference
Roxanna Kell	Posted - 2006.01.31 16:08:00 - [2] bump up.
Kylania	Posted - 2006.01.31 16:20:00 - [3] ... I can see coming here and saying "We've heard that some people are tricking newbies into entering 0.0 space. This isn't a very good idea because it can be very dangerous, due to both stronger NPC rats and agressive players in these areas. You're best off finishing your training missions in your home system and learning more of the game before venturing into the lawless wastes of 0.0". But no... instead you come here and blather on about how your borders are closed and you're gonna kill everyone! RAWR! Kinda sad. -- Lil Miner
Gauge Lockhart	Posted - 2006.01.31 17:13:00 - [4] ... yeah, it looks like the only people they're "Defending" are themselves. _______________________________________________ -=The Believer is Happy; the Skeptic is Wise=-
Casparian	Posted - 2006.01.31 17:32:00 - [5] Doh Of course we will defend ASCN space What a stupid thing to question. You really should look deeper and see this as a warning to the noobs and a explanation of why. What do you mean im not supposed to shoot you, youre in range arnt you?
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.01.31 17:48:00 - [6] Anyone in claimed 0.0 space from a noob corp will be considered a spy and killed. This is standard 0.0 alliance practice. Nothing new in that, don't see the point of this posturing from EDF to be honest.
Robert Fourier	Posted - 2006.01.31 18:24:00 - [7] Originally by: Butter Dog Anyone in claimed 0.0 space from a noob corp will be considered a spy and killed. This is standard 0.0 alliance practice. Nothing new in that, don't see the point of this posturing from EDF to be honest. Well presumably the point is to warn off noobs like myself who don't know that this is "standard 0.0 alliance practice". This is the "New Citizens Q&A" after all. Perhaps it could have been stated differently, but this sounds like a valid warning for noobs not to be tricked into ASCN space.
Jerol Troglan	Posted - 2006.01.31 18:34:00 - [8] I guess I'm a bit confused... How is it, exactly, that corporations operating in 0.0 space get new members? If you kill anyone "new" on sight that would seem to cut down on the pool of available applicants Just curious, Jerol
Aleth	Posted - 2006.01.31 18:39:00 - [9] Originally by: Jerol Troglan I guess I'm a bit confused... How is it, exactly, that corporations operating in 0.0 space get new members? If you kill anyone "new" on sight that would seem to cut down on the pool of available applicants Just curious, Jerol By having offices in higher sec space that people can apply at.
Roxanna Kell	Posted - 2006.01.31 18:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Jerol Troglan I guess I'm a bit confused... How is it, exactly, that corporations operating in 0.0 space get new members? If you kill anyone "new" on sight that would seem to cut down on the pool of available applicants Just curious, Jerol ROFL --------- anyhow, the problem is, there is scammers, tacing a 25 mill collateral and 1 mill reward. mission start in jita and goes to k-9 and 2-r. at the end, packag gets destroyed, scammer gets an easy 25 mills. players gets nothing, and to nobos 25 mills is a lot. CCP, if you can stop this wrong doing, and people who are exploiting his should be warned. also give a warnign when accepting a missin taht takes u to a station were uc ant dock. thanks
John McCreedy	Posted - 2006.01.31 22:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Robert Fourier Originally by: Butter Dog Anyone in claimed 0.0 space from a noob corp will be considered a spy and killed. This is standard 0.0 alliance practice. Nothing new in that, don't see the point of this posturing from EDF to be honest. Well presumably the point is to warn off noobs like myself who don't know that this is "standard 0.0 alliance practice". This is the "New Citizens Q&A" after all. Perhaps it could have been stated differently, but this sounds like a valid warning for noobs not to be tricked into ASCN space. This is a two fold warning. Yes you will be shot and killed because as I've said. we're simply unnable, due to game mechanics, to differentiate between a genuine noob and a spy-alt. Therefore we, as an Alliance, cannot afford to take that risk. If you look at the situation logically, you will see why. The other thing is that this is a scam which I'm warning you about. When you fail the mission, you loose your 25 mill. As you're unnable to complete the mission, this is a cynical attempt to not only put ASCN into bad light, but also to take money off the players in Eve least able to afford to loose 25 mill. This has nothing to do with posturing; this has nothing to do with Eve Defence Force. This is, as stated by Butter Dog, Standard Alliance practice and as I've said, if you look at it logically, you'll see why. Furthermore, you're not just risking being shot by Ascendant Frontier pilots. There are a lot of Pirates in 0.0 as well as other Alliances with the same policies and unless you have at least a few months Eve expereince in Eve, you're not ready to enter 0.0 safely. Please be careful because as an Eve Vet and a CEO of a corp that prides itself on its honour, I genuinely do not wish to see noobs loose faith in Eve due to lame scams. Make a Difference
Tony Fats	Posted - 2006.01.31 23:43:00 - [12] PS - If you get scammed like this, you can petition it. A while back this happened to someone, someone created a mission to take a package to Curse, with 25 mil collateral, they killed the noob, who lost his 25 mil collateral. A couple weeks later they reimbursed him 25 mil. When I was new I got escrow scammed, bought an implant that turned out to be a shuttle for 1 mil, they reimbursed me 2 weeks later. I think if you're new and broke (and no alts) they take pity on you.
Fesh	Posted - 2006.02.01 00:40:00 - [13] I thought I read somewhere that it was a Banable offese. That being making a courier mission that is immpossible to complete.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.01 00:43:00 - [14] Originally by: Fesh I thought I read somewhere that it was a Banable offese. That being making a courier mission that is immpossible to complete. Not impossible, just dangerous. And no it isn't bannable and it shouldn't be reimbursed... -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Mywad	Posted - 2006.02.01 00:57:00 - [15] New player here Sounded like good bit of advice for anyone to watch out for scam. Dont know why people are having a go at j.mcreedy for pointing this out to noobs like myself, in a noob section of the forum. Although i wouldnt dream of entering low security space at moment i have thought about it before just to see whats out there. Think ill wait until ive trained and got decent money, ship, skills then join a corp that can take me under its wing and show me the ropes of low sec space. Im working my way through a bit of everything at moment missions, mining, trading, etc so i have a good working knowledge of the game before deciding to join a corps, fight beyond my skills etc. Good idea for noobs is to take time while travelling (yawn) to read all player guides and read forum posts as much as possible, this way you can make money and learn in first few days how to make more money later on. Most problems stem i think from new players trying to make as much money as fast as possible. Just like real life really most people will make money slowly at first then more money as you learn more about the game. Game is boring at first because you cant do the things you want, but i havent played a more addictive game in years. And ive played games for 25 years so far. I cant get away from pc because i want to train skills, mine, fight, trade, and try to get all the goodies everyone talks about. So if you are a noob to eve like me stay in high sec space, take your time or i gather it could cost you a lot of slowly earned money. Just as original post was warning you about. Thats the end of my waffle see you in game when ive made my billions.
dacia	Posted - 2006.02.01 02:42:00 - [16] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Fesh I thought I read somewhere that it was a Banable offese. That being making a courier mission that is immpossible to complete. Not impossible, just dangerous. And no it isn't bannable and it shouldn't be reimbursed... How a new player with a standing at 0 do to dock at the Outpost/player station of ASCN space? they are not 'free to dock in' i guess, mission runner are supposed to use the new 'hack' skill ?
Chuck Noriss	Posted - 2006.02.01 07:28:00 - [17] shouldn't post here because if you can afford a 25million collateral you're no longer a noob. Also, you can improve your wording to not sound like such a snob. Roundhouse BAM!
Dargos Jargorn	Posted - 2006.02.01 09:07:00 - [18] Originally by: Chuck Noriss shouldn't post here because if you can afford a 25million collateral you're no longer a noob. Also, you can improve your wording to not sound like such a snob. I found a 139 Million piece of loot in my second week of play. Doing so did not suddenly unveil all of the game's secrets and knowledge for me... :)
Roxanna Kell	Posted - 2006.02.01 10:33:00 - [19] image of escrow to avoid there, you can't say we didn't warn you. you will have one warning at the ASCN borders, don't fail to stop.
Shadowjack	Posted - 2006.02.01 13:23:00 - [20] As a noob myself, I have to say that if someone is so gullible as to fall for a scam like 25m ISK collateral for a 1m ISK reward, in a nasty sector, they deserve to get ripped off. I looked at these missions out of curiosity, in my first 2 or 3 days, and even then I could tell they were scams. I also agree that they should NOT be banned or be reimbursable - no-one twisted your arm to accept the mission! If, in real life, you are stupid enough to fall for the Internet "Lottery" or "Nigerian Cash" scams, no-one would reimburse you for that, so why do so in a game?
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.02.01 15:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Dargos Jargorn I found a 139 Million piece of loot in my second week of play. Doing so did not suddenly unveil all of the game's secrets and knowledge for me... :) Yours is an exceptionally rare case - and for those who manage to be as lucky, perhaps missions like this are the "law of averages" to offset that... and to prove the old adage about a fool and his money. Scammers are reprehensible, but so's stupidity "Don't see much point getting involved in other people's troubles without an up-front price negotiation."
John McCreedy	Posted - 2006.02.01 22:29:00 - [22] Originally by: Shadowjack As a noob myself, I have to say that if someone is so gullible as to fall for a scam like 25m ISK collateral for a 1m ISK reward, in a nasty sector, they deserve to get ripped off. I looked at these missions out of curiosity, in my first 2 or 3 days, and even then I could tell they were scams. I also agree that they should NOT be banned or be reimbursable - no-one twisted your arm to accept the mission! If, in real life, you are stupid enough to fall for the Internet "Lottery" or "Nigerian Cash" scams, no-one would reimburse you for that, so why do so in a game? Not everyone learns at the same pace. The reason it's posted here, rather than in Alliances and Corporations forum is simply that it is noobs coming down and they come through an area of space that Eve Defence Force lives. That means my pilots are doing the shooting so it's my responsiblity to make sure as many new players are aware of this scam. While I'm at it as well, the same goes for escrow. ASCN members aren't supposed to escrow stuff for non-ASCN members but if you do see something you want in the regions of Impass, Feythabolis or Esoteria, then don't buy it because the result will be the same. All I'm trying to do is educate the people new to Eve because unfortunately, many players who have played Eve as long as I, tend to forget that they too, where once noobs. Hell, it took me an hour to figure out how to pilot my ship and now I run one of the largest corps in Eve. So there is no arrogance in this post and you can either heed my warning or not. We will shoot you if you come because whilst we will always try to help new players out, our loyalty is to ASCN. Make a Difference
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.02.02 00:03:00 - [23] So spank the moron in your corp who puts up courier missions for the noobs to lose their money on.
Wildhog	Posted - 2006.02.02 02:38:00 - [24] bump
Gadfly Hawke	Posted - 2006.02.02 03:47:00 - [25] Seems to me that a little common sense and risk awareness will go a long way toward keeping a noob out of trouble. But, where does a noob get 25 million for collateral? --------------------------------------------- You don't know the power of the dark side. -- Darth Vader
Gerbil Intaki	Posted - 2006.02.02 12:41:00 - [26] Originally by: Deja Thoris So spank the moron in your corp who puts up courier missions for the noobs to lose their money on. sounds like a plan to me.
Roxanna Kell	Posted - 2006.02.02 18:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Gerbil Intaki Originally by: Deja Thoris So spank the moron in your corp who puts up courier missions for the noobs to lose their money on. sounds like a plan to me. thats just looking for trouble. you understand that, many corps wouldnt even care. so be it. bye kids
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.02.02 22:26:00 - [28] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Gerbil Intaki Originally by: Deja Thoris So spank the moron in your corp who puts up courier missions for the noobs to lose their money on. sounds like a plan to me. thats just looking for trouble. you understand that, many corps wouldnt even care. so be it. bye kids You dont have a code of conduct in your corp/alliance? I'm sure a director can peruse the escrow from time to time to see if people are being set up for a fall. If you find players setting up "illigitimate" escrows then take action. Speak to them / warn them / kick them. That approach combined with the warning seems more viable than just posting in a forum that 0.1% of the player population will see.
Malverious Prime	Posted - 2006.02.03 00:43:00 - [29] Originally by: John McCreedy Originally by: Shadowjack As a noob myself, I have to say that if someone is so gullible as to fall for a scam like 25m ISK collateral for a 1m ISK reward, in a nasty sector, they deserve to get ripped off. I looked at these missions out of curiosity, in my first 2 or 3 days, and even then I could tell they were scams. I also agree that they should NOT be banned or be reimbursable - no-one twisted your arm to accept the mission! If, in real life, you are stupid enough to fall for the Internet "Lottery" or "Nigerian Cash" scams, no-one would reimburse you for that, so why do so in a game? Not everyone learns at the same pace. The reason it's posted here, rather than in Alliances and Corporations forum is simply that it is noobs coming down and they come through an area of space that Eve Defence Force lives. That means my pilots are doing the shooting so it's my responsiblity to make sure as many new players are aware of this scam. While I'm at it as well, the same goes for escrow. ASCN members aren't supposed to escrow stuff for non-ASCN members but if you do see something you want in the regions of Impass, Feythabolis or Esoteria, then don't buy it because the result will be the same. All I'm trying to do is educate the people new to Eve because unfortunately, many players who have played Eve as long as I, tend to forget that they too, where once noobs. Hell, it took me an hour to figure out how to pilot my ship and now I run one of the largest corps in Eve. So there is no arrogance in this post and you can either heed my warning or not. We will shoot you if you come because whilst we will always try to help new players out, our loyalty is to ASCN. WELL! I do sense arrogance in your post. So.... your space is closed to noOBs ay? I think i might come for a fly and smash-up-a-your-face. Ay!? Gonna smash-a-your-ugly-face! And all of ASCN as well! All-a-your-ugly-face!
Insio Nores	Posted - 2006.02.03 01:46:00 - [30] Originally by: John McCreedy I genuinely do not wish to see noobs loose faith in Eve due to lame scams. On one level, I can see where you're coming from, but quite frankly I'm far more likely to lose faith in Eve by being told that large chunks of the game are just plain off limits to me because more powerful players got there first and I'm not allowed to play in their sandbox. I mean I'm glad you guys have been playing for a year or two, and I'm glad that kind of rich experience is possible in the game. But I'm kind of tired of watching you guys come slumming in the newbie forums to tell us how all the things you do to fck us over are for our own good, and necessary for you to fully enjoy your game, and why did we think we deserved a "get out of pirate free card," and if we're not having any fun being your fckdolls, maybe we just aren't cut out for Eve. That's multiple issues, I know, and most of them aren't your fault. I'm speaking very broadly here not trying to flame you personally. But, at the end of the day, I can get worked over by those more powerful than me and shut out of the good stuff in real life for free. As a long time RPG player, I've been deeply ambivalent about MMOs ever since they first emerged. Eve is the first one I've gone ahead and tried out (I was lured in by that Escapist article on ISS actually) and I love so much about it, but I was also right about all the things that made me stay away from the whole genre for years. I'm deeply ambivalent about the whole concept right now, and posts like this aren't helping. -- Nores

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