Between from .1 to .4 you can set your safety to yellow. This allows you to steal from other people.

- Flip cans
- Steal from wrecks
- Steal from POS (which I think is in the up coming expansion)
- Steal their drones (scoop them up)


With the current system, if you set your safety to yellow, you can commit crimes that will only flag you as suspect. People can openly attack you but CONCORD will not blow your ass up. These acts still cause you to suffer a security status hit (if they don't, they should).

Now that I think about it, you'd only need to do it once to get a sec status less than 0 and then you can set your safety to yellow in .5 and higher. So I'm thinking that you may neet to get your sec status to -0.5 or even -1.0 before you can set your safety to yellow in .5 and higher systems. Just so there is some progression to it.

No, none of those touch your sec status. Shooting people does that, and since you can't shoot anyone until you're under -5...

can we have CCP rename this subforum to Features & Terrible Ideas Discussion?

Yeah, this forum really needs a downvote feature.

Look mum, I'm posting in another 'get rid of highsec' thread.

Lol

It's a 'replace CONCORD and their god mode ship with a system that that is a little more believable and immersive, preventative without being restrictive, and actually expands what is now 'hi-sec' to include .1 to .4' thread.

L2R

But your system makes it physically impossible to kill anyone in highsec, since you can't turn off your 'safety' without dropping to -5 sec status, which you cannot do because you cannot turn off your safety...

Between from .1 to .4 you can set your safety to yellow.

Since the OP seems to honestly believe that his idea will work despite all history and evidence pointing otherwise... I challenge the OP move down to low-sec and live there full time without ever getting anything from high-sec.

Why this challenge? Because it simulates what high-sec might more or less be like under this proposed system.

empty?

Since the OP seems to honestly believe that his idea will work despite all history and evidence pointing otherwise... I challenge the OP move down to low-sec and live there full time without ever getting anything from high-sec.

Why this challenge? Because it simulates what high-sec might more or less be like under this proposed system.

That's funny...

Gigan Amilupar thinks my idea will do the opposite.

The school system has clearly gone downhill hard in the past 13 years.

You'll be able to turn your safety to yellow in .1 to .4 space

Flipping other people's cans and wrecks as well as stealing people's drones would be changed to result in a security status hit.


You can then go to any .1 to .4 system, switch to yellow, steal some ****, and once you get your sec status down a bit (-.5 or maybe -1.0), you can now go to any .5 to 1.0 sec system and do some more stealing there. Get a -5 security status and now you can switch to red and do some ganking.

Could this game go without CONCORD?

I know some of you are thinking "hell no, I'd quit" while some of you are drooling at the thought. Well, the following will change those thoughts (probably 180).

First thought is to remove CONCORD but in turn, make use of the safety feature instead. It's simple. .5 to 1.0, you are forced green. In .1 to .4, you are allowed yellow (you just can't go red). In 0.0 and lower, you are not restricted.

See what I mean by 180 where those that thought "hell no" are probably the ones drooling while those that were drooling are now the ones saying "hell no"?

But wait, the next thought allows ganking to still happen, and even without CONCORD coming!

If your security status is below 0 but above -5, you can set your safety to yellow in .5 and higher sec systems. You just can't set it to red. If your security status is -5 or lower, you can set your safety to red in any space (even hi-sec) but since you have a sec status of -5 or lower, you can be attacked by anyone at any time. Even by people who have their safety set to green. The fact that you are a suspect or a criminal would show in local (can't remember off hand right now if it's already like that or not).

Hi-sec space can now refer to .1 and higher instead of .5 and higher. Systems that are -0.1 to -1.0 would now be refered to as low-sec.

War dec'ing is so that you can engage non criminals in hi-sec without having to change your safety and without taking a hit to your sec status (basically the status quo).

If this proves to be too much freedom for ganking (droves of -5 sec people enter hi-sec and gank without consequence), then a gate restriction on ship class might work. The higher sec system you enter as a criminal, the smaller class ship you have to use.

Sec .1 - You can enter with any ship at any time as a criminal
Sec .2 - You can't bring in a titan
Sec .3 - You can't bring in a super cap
Sec .4 - You can't bring in a cap
Sec .5 - You can't bring in a BS
Sec .6 - You can't bring in a BC
Sec .7 - You can't bring in a Cruiser
Sec .8 - You can't bring in a Destroyer
Sec .9 - You can't bring in a Frigate


The exceptions would be non combat ships (Pod, Shuttle, Freighters). If you dock up in, say, Dodixie and think you can just buy and fit a combat ship. You can, but you'll be denied when you try and undock with it.

What's to stop someone from bring a ship into a system inside a freighter then? The stargate would prevent the freighter from entering the system based on ships in any cargo hold, hanger, etc.

This is basically an implementation of game-wide consensual PvP.

Ooooooooo... nice burn.

I was imagining more of a panicked OP running a la "Waterworld."

Not supported.

Someone wants a different kind of game that caters to them.

Biomass yourself.

I like elements of the idea but not sure how this could be implemented. It would be nice to have more "roles", to essentially have more of an obvious divide between who are the good guys and bad guys. It's impossible to trust anyone technically at this point in time and while that's the point of the game, hi-sec space specifically could use more structure IMO. There's a lot of other space for that sort of freedom and that space has better rewards too.

OP I don't know if you realize this but your suggestion would make all empire space into pretty much bubble-less nullsec, as you would have tons of outlaws running around scoring easy kills--that is assuming a way to lose sec status were put into the game in addition to your suggestion. It would essentially also reward people for being at a lower sec status while affording them no penalty for it.

Now if you adjusted it to remove allowing outlaws free ganks, it would make lowsec safer than highsec currently is. Fifteen red blinky targets around me won't convince me to open fire on them. I'm gonna keep on mining this giant hedbergite in my untanked covetor and pretend those guys don't exist, and there's not a damn thing they can do about it.

M1k3y Koontz: I believe your signature should read: How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could derp herp?

alternatively, it could read: How much derp could a herp derp herp if a herp derp could herp derp?

The point of the replies (all of em) are not lost (even if they are just trolls for which yours is NOT).

So to refine it....

Again, remove CONCORD and add the forced restriction on the safety setting. Can't go out of green in .5 and higher and can't go into red in .1 to .4.

Add in the npc corp idea that's been floating around. After reaching a 'yet to be determine' amount of sp, you are moved to an npc corp that is based on the race you chose to be (unless already in a player corp/ally). With 4 races there would be 4 of these npc corps and they would be in a perpetual 4 way war. Alternatively, the Gallente and Minmatar race based corps could be allies vs the Amarr and Caldari alliance.

Hi-sec players have the choice...

Be in the npc corp and run the risk of coming across war targets, but have the relative safety found with numbers (lots of players on your side) or be part of a player corp and take on both the benefits and risks associated with such.

Lastly, remove individual sec status.