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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:05:00 -
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My town of 50,000 people decided to pass a law that makes smoking in public indoor areas illegal. I found this out yesterday when I went to a bar with some friends and asked for an ash tray. I was told about the city council passing a law banning smoking in public areas.
I didnt think much of it at the time, but when I got home and sobered up I got quite angry that this ordinance want even put to public vote. The Mayor and his lackeys of my town decided to give in to Anti-Smoking ****s and pass the law without even the approval of the majority.
Anyways, fight the power folks.
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Clavain Gobuchul
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:16:00 -
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No, I agree with your council on this one. If you want to destroy your lungs. kindly do so in your own home and don't include the rest of us.
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Hellraiza666
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Clavain Gobuchul
No, I agree with your council on this one. If you want to destroy your lungs. kindly do so in your own home and don't include the rest of us.
/signed
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:27:00 -
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If you dont want me to smoke near you go somewhere else. If you see a restaurant or Bar filled with smokers leave and go somewhere else. Simple as that folks.
The truth is, Bar owners and Restuarant owners are against it because it drives customers to the next town over and hurts there bussiness.
Besides that, It wasnt put to a public vote, therefore I dont see it as a valid law or even legal.
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Dario Wall
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:31:00 -
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Well, unless I am mistaken, it is up to the owners of the business if smoking is permitted on the premises. If a city council passes a law prohibiting smoking on said premises, then they have to comply with it. Sorry, but you're out of luck.
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Leto Nyx
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:31:00 -
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So supposing I'm in a bar with no smokers in it, and then you come in and start smoking? Would you go to another bar filled only with smokers?
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Clavain Gobuchul
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Engel
If you dont want me to smoke near you go somewhere else. If you see a restaurant or Bar filled with smokers leave and go somewhere else. Simple as that folks.
I do.
Originally by: Jon Engel
The truth is, Bar owners and Restuarant owners are against it because it drives customers to the next town over and hurts there bussiness.
They are in business to make them money, not to allow you to smoke.
Originally by: Jon Engel
Besides that, It wasnt put to a public vote, therefore I dont see it as a valid law or even legal.
lol
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:35:00 -
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If i was at a place whose owners had decided to not allow smoking I would comply without a complaint. What bothers me is Govt telling us where we can and cant smoke. Its not there job to tell a Bar if they can allow us to smoke inside or not.
I suppose your the people who like the govt making all your choices for you?
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Clavain Gobuchul
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Engel
I suppose your the people who like the govt making all your choices for you?
No. I suppose your the sort of person who likes to affect other peoples health with your addictions. 
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:39:00 -
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How am I affecting someones health if they choose to be in an establishment that allows somking? Your at fault for coming inside and not leaving.
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Vince Draken
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Engel
If i was at a place whose owners had decided to not allow smoking I would comply without a complaint. What bothers me is Govt telling us where we can and cant smoke. Its not there job to tell a Bar if they can allow us to smoke inside or not.
I suppose your the people who like the govt making all your choices for you?
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Clavain Gobuchul
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Engel
How am I affecting someones health if they choose to be in an establishment that allows somking? Your at fault for coming inside and not leaving.
And the staff?
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:50:00 -
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wah wah! If you dont like places that patron smokers go somewhere else, and stop forcing your anti-everything ordinances on everyone else.
Im sure the Staff can find a job somewhere else if they wanted to work in a place without smoking. Its not hard to get a restaurant job.
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Leto Nyx
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:56:00 -
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You could have some consideration for people that don't want to be poisoned by you, and just pop outside for a quick cigarette. 
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Clavain Gobuchul
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Clavain Gobuchul on 31/01/2006 11:57:11
Originally by: Jon Engel
wah wah! If you dont like places that patron smokers go somewhere else, and stop forcing your anti-everything ordinances on everyone else.
I wasn't aware I was forcing anything on anyone. I was simply saying I agree with your council for banning a health affecting habit from public places. You could try taking your own advice and not force your smoking on others couldn't you? Or you could avoid posting your whining on forums if you don't like the replies you might get back.
Originally by: Jon Engel
Im sure the Staff can find a job somewhere else if they wanted to work in a place without smoking. Its not hard to get a restaurant job.
You seriously expect people to change jobs so that you can have a smoke?!
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:57:00 -
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If they aint willing to change jobs over it, then its not on the top of there grievances.
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Ashdrake
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Posted - 2006.01.31 12:35:00 -
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i my country u cam smoke 99% of places nicluding hospitals/schools/whateva ;) just make sure you dont get caught in hospitals/schools. some universities let you smoke on the hallways they even have ashtrays from 10m in 10m :)
Smoking for the WIN ! :P
<yeah i smoke 2packs a day.... i am gonna die at 25, ...so fuk you> :D
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Winter Star
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Posted - 2006.01.31 12:47:00 -
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Fight the power over poverty and education and healthcare.. don't fight them over trying to help you out.
If you want to kill yourself go do it in private. don't make other people share in your unhealthy addiction (no, not tht one   )
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Clavain Gobuchul
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Posted - 2006.01.31 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ashdrake
i my country u cam smoke 99% of places nicluding hospitals/schools/whateva ;) just make sure you dont get caught in hospitals/schools. some universities let you smoke on the hallways they even have ashtrays from 10m in 10m :)
Smoking for the WIN ! :P
<yeah i smoke 2packs a day.... i am gonna die at 25, ...so fuk you> :D
Perhaps you could change your name to 'Ashtray'... 
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Denrace
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Posted - 2006.01.31 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ashdrake
i my country u cam smoke 99% of places nicluding hospitals/schools/whateva ;) just make sure you dont get caught in hospitals/schools. some universities let you smoke on the hallways they even have ashtrays from 10m in 10m :)
Smoking for the WIN ! :P
<yeah i smoke 2packs a day.... i am gonna die at 25, ...so fuk you> :D
Lung cancer ftw!!
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Ashdrake
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Posted - 2006.01.31 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ashdrake on 31/01/2006 13:05:12
Originally by: Clavain Gobuchul
Originally by: Ashdrake
i my country u cam smoke 99% of places nicluding hospitals/schools/whateva ;) just make sure you dont get caught in hospitals/schools. some universities let you smoke on the hallways they even have ashtrays from 10m in 10m :)
Smoking for the WIN ! :P
<yeah i smoke 2packs a day.... i am gonna die at 25, ...so fuk you> :D
Perhaps you could change your name to 'Ashtray'...
man i named it
Ash from all the ash is around me when i smoke, and drake coz it sounded cool :) Ash Tray shux :D tho :D
edit : lights up a cig ;)
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.01.31 13:28:00 -
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dude, the problem isnt the government telling you where and when to smoke.
Its not theat simple, what we dont watn is the passive smoking that is dangerous to millions of non-smokers and with that the obvious HEALTH COSTS. Everyone bangs on about how tax on cigarettes pays for the health up keep of the smokers, but what about non-smokers potentially at risk cos this wants to smoke anywhere and everywhere.
Subjecting people to smoke that otherwise wouldnt be near it, is kind of wrong dude.
If i walked in a place that allows cigarettes and sparked up a FAT spliff, im telling you 90% of the smokers would object.
dont be so narrow minded.
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Leto Nyx
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Posted - 2006.01.31 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ashdrake
<yeah i smoke 2packs a day.... i am gonna die at 25, ...so fuk you> :D
I only smoke after sex. I'm on 20 a day!
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Lluthiunne Atalaron
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Posted - 2006.01.31 14:16:00 -
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wow where to begin...
Its my experience with people i know who smoke, that they realize 'yeah' they are harming the people around them with there smoking. If taking 5 minutes to step outside to satisfy your self destructive addiction is too much hassle for you. When the alternative is inflicting potentially lethal harm on an innocent woman/man kid sitting near you then god help you and your ignorance.
Leaving a bar because one smoker lights up isnt viable when (at a guess) 30% of people smoke - chances are there would be at least one in each bar/restraunt.
Having smokers only bars also isnt viable.
Have you any comprehension of how quickly you'd find yourself in the dirt if you frequented a enclosed space where everyone smoked?
Not to mention the staff - leave for other work, lol again some 30% smoke chances are at least one will be in every bar club.
If you enjoy your addiction and are quite happy to continue smoking you are going to have to waken up to the fact that you will have to kill yourself away from other people.
I have nothing against smokers - couldn't careless if they do or don't - but when they show such ignorance and blatant disregard for those around them, tis a completely different story.
P.S. i dont think its just your area this will soon be a Nationwide enforcement, and you will not just be able to leave the bar and smoke on the doorstep either - There is an 'exclusion zone' of x amount of metres from the doorway
Enjoy your habit & social exclusion
>> The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell and a hell of heaven <<
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My grandfather
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Posted - 2006.01.31 14:21:00 -
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I very much agree with your council. It's impossible for a non-smoker to avoid places where there are people smoking. It is however possible for a smoker to go outside and keep the air clean inside.
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Xoria Krint
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Posted - 2006.01.31 14:24:00 -
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In sweden its illegal to smoke in all pub's.
New law 2005
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.01.31 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jon Engel on 31/01/2006 14:25:24
*lights up cigarete*
Ok, you miss the point, I dont care if an establishment enforces a rule by there own accord. I dont like the govt telling bussiness owners if they can or cant allow smokers.
I can deal with stepping outside and smoking, but if im told I cant do it inside a bussiness because the govt shakes its finger at me than I get a little angry.
It comes down to personal choices we make for ourselves regarding our body, our privatley owned bussinesses and etc. Id prefer the individuals make those decisions and not the Government.
On that theory you could outlaw granulated sugar, or red meat. It makes people fat, more people die of being obese than of ciggarretes in America. Why not remove everyones choices and life and let the government direct our lives as they see fit. Come on people. Lets let us the people make some decisions about ourselves and our bussinesses for once.
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Bosie
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Posted - 2006.01.31 14:27:00 -
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I am an ex-smoker who's partner still smokes and it ****es me off how ignorant she is when it comes to others. But I used to be the same.
Ban smoking in public I say!
Bosie.
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Lluthiunne Atalaron
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Posted - 2006.01.31 14:33:00 -
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again - using your anology have you ever heard of someone dying from passive sugar intake - my mate had a jumbo super sqishy extreme now ive gained 100 pounds -
This is admittedly a strong step by the goverment but it is being done for a multitude of reasons.
To protect non smokers, to hopefully encourage giving up smoking, and to lessen the massive expenses put on the health service. and as a whole the health of the nation which is abismal at best.
Expect more strong moves in the future regarding health issues.
Personally im glad they've grew some ****'s and made a positive step - its a rare thing for a goverment to enforce a positive step that could spell disaster for them in the polls.
>> The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell and a hell of heaven <<
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My grandfather
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Posted - 2006.01.31 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Engel
Edited by: Jon Engel on 31/01/2006 14:25:24
*lights up cigarete*
Ok, you miss the point, I dont care if an establishment enforces a rule by there own accord. I dont like the govt telling bussiness owners if they can or cant allow smokers.
I can deal with stepping outside and smoking, but if im told I cant do it inside a bussiness because the govt shakes its finger at me than I get a little angry.
It comes down to personal choices we make for ourselves regarding our body, our privatley owned bussinesses and etc. Id prefer the individuals make those decisions and not the Government.
On that theory you could outlaw granulated sugar, or red meat. It makes people fat, more people die of being obese than of ciggarretes in America. Why not remove everyones choices and life and let the government direct our lives as they see fit. Come on people. Lets let us the people make some decisions about ourselves and our bussinesses for once.
That would be a vialbe argument, if we lived in an ideal world. Not a single business will ban smoking from their place if it will lower sales. Not will smokers go outside to smoke if they don't have to. In a perfect world, people would care for each other, and go smoking outside by reflex. This isn't the case, so to protect non-smokers, they are made to.
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