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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:05:00 -
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My town of 50,000 people decided to pass a law that makes smoking in public indoor areas illegal. I found this out yesterday when I went to a bar with some friends and asked for an ash tray. I was told about the city council passing a law banning smoking in public areas.
I didnt think much of it at the time, but when I got home and sobered up I got quite angry that this ordinance want even put to public vote. The Mayor and his lackeys of my town decided to give in to Anti-Smoking ****s and pass the law without even the approval of the majority.
Anyways, fight the power folks.
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Clavain Gobuchul
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:16:00 -
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No, I agree with your council on this one. If you want to destroy your lungs. kindly do so in your own home and don't include the rest of us.
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Hellraiza666
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Clavain Gobuchul
No, I agree with your council on this one. If you want to destroy your lungs. kindly do so in your own home and don't include the rest of us.
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:27:00 -
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If you dont want me to smoke near you go somewhere else. If you see a restaurant or Bar filled with smokers leave and go somewhere else. Simple as that folks.
The truth is, Bar owners and Restuarant owners are against it because it drives customers to the next town over and hurts there bussiness.
Besides that, It wasnt put to a public vote, therefore I dont see it as a valid law or even legal.
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Dario Wall
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:31:00 -
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Well, unless I am mistaken, it is up to the owners of the business if smoking is permitted on the premises. If a city council passes a law prohibiting smoking on said premises, then they have to comply with it. Sorry, but you're out of luck.
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Leto Nyx
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:31:00 -
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So supposing I'm in a bar with no smokers in it, and then you come in and start smoking? Would you go to another bar filled only with smokers?
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Clavain Gobuchul
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Engel
If you dont want me to smoke near you go somewhere else. If you see a restaurant or Bar filled with smokers leave and go somewhere else. Simple as that folks.
I do.
Originally by: Jon Engel
The truth is, Bar owners and Restuarant owners are against it because it drives customers to the next town over and hurts there bussiness.
They are in business to make them money, not to allow you to smoke.
Originally by: Jon Engel
Besides that, It wasnt put to a public vote, therefore I dont see it as a valid law or even legal.
lol
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:35:00 -
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If i was at a place whose owners had decided to not allow smoking I would comply without a complaint. What bothers me is Govt telling us where we can and cant smoke. Its not there job to tell a Bar if they can allow us to smoke inside or not.
I suppose your the people who like the govt making all your choices for you?
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Clavain Gobuchul
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Engel
I suppose your the people who like the govt making all your choices for you?
No. I suppose your the sort of person who likes to affect other peoples health with your addictions. 
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:39:00 -
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How am I affecting someones health if they choose to be in an establishment that allows somking? Your at fault for coming inside and not leaving.
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Vince Draken
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Engel
If i was at a place whose owners had decided to not allow smoking I would comply without a complaint. What bothers me is Govt telling us where we can and cant smoke. Its not there job to tell a Bar if they can allow us to smoke inside or not.
I suppose your the people who like the govt making all your choices for you?
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Clavain Gobuchul
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Engel
How am I affecting someones health if they choose to be in an establishment that allows somking? Your at fault for coming inside and not leaving.
And the staff?
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:50:00 -
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wah wah! If you dont like places that patron smokers go somewhere else, and stop forcing your anti-everything ordinances on everyone else.
Im sure the Staff can find a job somewhere else if they wanted to work in a place without smoking. Its not hard to get a restaurant job.
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Leto Nyx
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:56:00 -
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You could have some consideration for people that don't want to be poisoned by you, and just pop outside for a quick cigarette. 
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Clavain Gobuchul
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Clavain Gobuchul on 31/01/2006 11:57:11
Originally by: Jon Engel
wah wah! If you dont like places that patron smokers go somewhere else, and stop forcing your anti-everything ordinances on everyone else.
I wasn't aware I was forcing anything on anyone. I was simply saying I agree with your council for banning a health affecting habit from public places. You could try taking your own advice and not force your smoking on others couldn't you? Or you could avoid posting your whining on forums if you don't like the replies you might get back.
Originally by: Jon Engel
Im sure the Staff can find a job somewhere else if they wanted to work in a place without smoking. Its not hard to get a restaurant job.
You seriously expect people to change jobs so that you can have a smoke?!
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:57:00 -
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If they aint willing to change jobs over it, then its not on the top of there grievances.
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Ashdrake
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Posted - 2006.01.31 12:35:00 -
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i my country u cam smoke 99% of places nicluding hospitals/schools/whateva ;) just make sure you dont get caught in hospitals/schools. some universities let you smoke on the hallways they even have ashtrays from 10m in 10m :)
Smoking for the WIN ! :P
<yeah i smoke 2packs a day.... i am gonna die at 25, ...so fuk you> :D
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Winter Star
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Posted - 2006.01.31 12:47:00 -
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Fight the power over poverty and education and healthcare.. don't fight them over trying to help you out.
If you want to kill yourself go do it in private. don't make other people share in your unhealthy addiction (no, not tht one   )
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Clavain Gobuchul
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Posted - 2006.01.31 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ashdrake
i my country u cam smoke 99% of places nicluding hospitals/schools/whateva ;) just make sure you dont get caught in hospitals/schools. some universities let you smoke on the hallways they even have ashtrays from 10m in 10m :)
Smoking for the WIN ! :P
<yeah i smoke 2packs a day.... i am gonna die at 25, ...so fuk you> :D
Perhaps you could change your name to 'Ashtray'... 
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Denrace
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Posted - 2006.01.31 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ashdrake
i my country u cam smoke 99% of places nicluding hospitals/schools/whateva ;) just make sure you dont get caught in hospitals/schools. some universities let you smoke on the hallways they even have ashtrays from 10m in 10m :)
Smoking for the WIN ! :P
<yeah i smoke 2packs a day.... i am gonna die at 25, ...so fuk you> :D
Lung cancer ftw!!
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Ashdrake
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Posted - 2006.01.31 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ashdrake on 31/01/2006 13:05:12
Originally by: Clavain Gobuchul
Originally by: Ashdrake
i my country u cam smoke 99% of places nicluding hospitals/schools/whateva ;) just make sure you dont get caught in hospitals/schools. some universities let you smoke on the hallways they even have ashtrays from 10m in 10m :)
Smoking for the WIN ! :P
<yeah i smoke 2packs a day.... i am gonna die at 25, ...so fuk you> :D
Perhaps you could change your name to 'Ashtray'...
man i named it
Ash from all the ash is around me when i smoke, and drake coz it sounded cool :) Ash Tray shux :D tho :D
edit : lights up a cig ;)
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.01.31 13:28:00 -
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dude, the problem isnt the government telling you where and when to smoke.
Its not theat simple, what we dont watn is the passive smoking that is dangerous to millions of non-smokers and with that the obvious HEALTH COSTS. Everyone bangs on about how tax on cigarettes pays for the health up keep of the smokers, but what about non-smokers potentially at risk cos this wants to smoke anywhere and everywhere.
Subjecting people to smoke that otherwise wouldnt be near it, is kind of wrong dude.
If i walked in a place that allows cigarettes and sparked up a FAT spliff, im telling you 90% of the smokers would object.
dont be so narrow minded.
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Leto Nyx
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Posted - 2006.01.31 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ashdrake
<yeah i smoke 2packs a day.... i am gonna die at 25, ...so fuk you> :D
I only smoke after sex. I'm on 20 a day!
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Lluthiunne Atalaron
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Posted - 2006.01.31 14:16:00 -
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wow where to begin...
Its my experience with people i know who smoke, that they realize 'yeah' they are harming the people around them with there smoking. If taking 5 minutes to step outside to satisfy your self destructive addiction is too much hassle for you. When the alternative is inflicting potentially lethal harm on an innocent woman/man kid sitting near you then god help you and your ignorance.
Leaving a bar because one smoker lights up isnt viable when (at a guess) 30% of people smoke - chances are there would be at least one in each bar/restraunt.
Having smokers only bars also isnt viable.
Have you any comprehension of how quickly you'd find yourself in the dirt if you frequented a enclosed space where everyone smoked?
Not to mention the staff - leave for other work, lol again some 30% smoke chances are at least one will be in every bar club.
If you enjoy your addiction and are quite happy to continue smoking you are going to have to waken up to the fact that you will have to kill yourself away from other people.
I have nothing against smokers - couldn't careless if they do or don't - but when they show such ignorance and blatant disregard for those around them, tis a completely different story.
P.S. i dont think its just your area this will soon be a Nationwide enforcement, and you will not just be able to leave the bar and smoke on the doorstep either - There is an 'exclusion zone' of x amount of metres from the doorway
Enjoy your habit & social exclusion
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Posted - 2006.01.31 14:21:00 -
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I very much agree with your council. It's impossible for a non-smoker to avoid places where there are people smoking. It is however possible for a smoker to go outside and keep the air clean inside.
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Xoria Krint
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Posted - 2006.01.31 14:24:00 -
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In sweden its illegal to smoke in all pub's.
New law 2005
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.01.31 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jon Engel on 31/01/2006 14:25:24
*lights up cigarete*
Ok, you miss the point, I dont care if an establishment enforces a rule by there own accord. I dont like the govt telling bussiness owners if they can or cant allow smokers.
I can deal with stepping outside and smoking, but if im told I cant do it inside a bussiness because the govt shakes its finger at me than I get a little angry.
It comes down to personal choices we make for ourselves regarding our body, our privatley owned bussinesses and etc. Id prefer the individuals make those decisions and not the Government.
On that theory you could outlaw granulated sugar, or red meat. It makes people fat, more people die of being obese than of ciggarretes in America. Why not remove everyones choices and life and let the government direct our lives as they see fit. Come on people. Lets let us the people make some decisions about ourselves and our bussinesses for once.
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Bosie
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Posted - 2006.01.31 14:27:00 -
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I am an ex-smoker who's partner still smokes and it ****es me off how ignorant she is when it comes to others. But I used to be the same.
Ban smoking in public I say!
Bosie.
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Lluthiunne Atalaron
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Posted - 2006.01.31 14:33:00 -
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again - using your anology have you ever heard of someone dying from passive sugar intake - my mate had a jumbo super sqishy extreme now ive gained 100 pounds -
This is admittedly a strong step by the goverment but it is being done for a multitude of reasons.
To protect non smokers, to hopefully encourage giving up smoking, and to lessen the massive expenses put on the health service. and as a whole the health of the nation which is abismal at best.
Expect more strong moves in the future regarding health issues.
Personally im glad they've grew some ****'s and made a positive step - its a rare thing for a goverment to enforce a positive step that could spell disaster for them in the polls.
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My grandfather
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Posted - 2006.01.31 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Engel
Edited by: Jon Engel on 31/01/2006 14:25:24
*lights up cigarete*
Ok, you miss the point, I dont care if an establishment enforces a rule by there own accord. I dont like the govt telling bussiness owners if they can or cant allow smokers.
I can deal with stepping outside and smoking, but if im told I cant do it inside a bussiness because the govt shakes its finger at me than I get a little angry.
It comes down to personal choices we make for ourselves regarding our body, our privatley owned bussinesses and etc. Id prefer the individuals make those decisions and not the Government.
On that theory you could outlaw granulated sugar, or red meat. It makes people fat, more people die of being obese than of ciggarretes in America. Why not remove everyones choices and life and let the government direct our lives as they see fit. Come on people. Lets let us the people make some decisions about ourselves and our bussinesses for once.
That would be a vialbe argument, if we lived in an ideal world. Not a single business will ban smoking from their place if it will lower sales. Not will smokers go outside to smoke if they don't have to. In a perfect world, people would care for each other, and go smoking outside by reflex. This isn't the case, so to protect non-smokers, they are made to.
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2006.01.31 14:41:00 -
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i cannot stand any cigerette smoke, even walking a couple of meters behind someone smoking in public makes me cough and splutter.
Anything which stops these numptys is a good idea from my opinion
(and FYI i'm a healthy 18 y/o)
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Pitt
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Posted - 2006.01.31 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: Pitt on 31/01/2006 15:33:17
Ok, so some of the people here are bashing smokers because of thier un-healthy habbit of smoking. Fine, but in a bar? An establishment whose sole purpose is to provide intoxicating beverages, when consumed in quantity destroys the liver, rasies blood pressure, clogs arteries, cause's car wrecks and causes many more health and social problems.
No offense here but it's a bar, not a health club or daycare center.
So for all intensive purposes's lets lay this argument down to smokers vs. anti-smokers. Most smokers do not mind not smoking in establishments that do not allow it. Anti-smokers don't want smoking anywhere. Who here is more unreasonable?
Smoking is an easy habbit to poke fun of and harass the people who partake of it. But when there are no more smokers who will be the next target group of "unhealthy, socially irresposible people" that will be hunted down and hounded out of exsistance. Fat people, speeders, who?
Be careful of the things you judge as evil and wish done away with. Your habbit or hobby could be next. All it take's is alot of people that are convinced it's wrong and needs to be done away with.
But, to the OP and on this topic, if an establishment decides it doesn't want smoking in it fine. But for the gov't to decide that it can't happen is nothing more than a witch hunt for an unpopular group. It seems fine for smokers to be ousted by the gov't but the ****'s did the same thing to the Jews and everyone in Germany agree'd with it at the time. But, we know that was wrong. You may say that's abit over the top of an argument, but the two situations are the same, they just differ in seriousness.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2006.01.31 15:34:00 -
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I'm a smoker, although I'd like to quit.
That said, how about all you non-smokers stop driving cars? I hate the fact that you all run around throwing carcinogens (sp?) into the air all day, destroying everyones health, contributing to global warming, and generally doing the exact same thing you complain about smokers doing.
Its just that driving a car is apparently socially acceptable, and smoking isn't.
Hypocrisy. Such a wonderful tool.
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Gun Kata
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Posted - 2006.01.31 15:40:00 -
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Mahhy,
What about the vehicle that was used to deliver your cigarettes?
You cant win!
I only smoke when I am on fire.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2006.01.31 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Gun Kata
What about the vehicle that was used to deliver your cigarettes?
You cant win!
Never said anything about me not polluting the world and killing people by not using vehicles. I was illustrating the hypocrisy of the anti-smoking movement when 99% of those anti-smokes use cars on a daily basis.
I'm quite happy to admit to harming the environment and others by driving, smoking, using public transport, hell even using electricity in my home.
But when others whine that they dont want to inhale someone elses cigarette smoke, and then commute to work on daily basis in a pollutant spewing killing machine, thats utter hypocrisy.
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2006.01.31 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Clavain Gobuchul
No, I agree with your council on this one. If you want to destroy your lungs. kindly do so in your own home and don't include the rest of us.
defo signed.
Heres one you anti-smokers may like.
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I understand that we all have weaknesses but I cant stand smoking, it gets on my chest and makes my hair and clothes smell god-awfull.
I too have a weakness, drinking, the residue from this is urine, how would you like it if i stood on a chair and ****ed all over your head and clothes?
Please kindly refrain from smoking in my presence.
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Soulis
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Posted - 2006.01.31 16:19:00 -
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i didn't read all this thread cuz i'm lazy. but i'll give my opinion anyways
as the same law will soon be coming into play in scotland.
i think there should be smoking and non smoking pubs and people can chose where they want to go. i believe anywhere that sells food should be smoke free.
but for the government smoking is a double edged knife as they want us to stop but if everyone stopped they would lose a hell of a lot of money thru taxes.
imagine great britain where everyone stopped smoking, drinking and using petrol or diesel for 2 weeks. the county would grind to a standstill
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Gun Kata
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Posted - 2006.01.31 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: mahhy
Originally by: Gun Kata
What about the vehicle that was used to deliver your cigarettes?
You cant win!
Never said anything about me not polluting the world and killing people by not using vehicles. I was illustrating the hypocrisy of the anti-smoking movement when 99% of those anti-smokes use cars on a daily basis.
I'm quite happy to admit to harming the environment and others by driving, smoking, using public transport, hell even using electricity in my home.
But when others whine that they dont want to inhale someone elses cigarette smoke, and then commute to work on daily basis in a pollutant spewing killing machine, thats utter hypocrisy.
I know what you are saying, but we could go back and forth with aguments all day. Aguments can be struck up so easily as its a very fine line.
Some people would say that smoking is not a necesity and travel is (with regards to work), but there will always be counter arguments.
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Posted - 2006.01.31 16:40:00 -
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/tissue
We've had this in Norway for quite some time. I love it. Now I can eat where I want without damaging my lungs because someone just can't quit smoking.
Oh, and this thread is really flamable. Probably should lock it 
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Posted - 2006.01.31 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Engel
wah wah!
sorry, beginning your post against counter-arguments with that made you such a hypocrite i can't even be bothered to point out the flaws in your argument
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Kalahari Wayrest
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Posted - 2006.01.31 16:44:00 -
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lol that's what I thought when I first read that...I mean, who's really crying here? 
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.01.31 16:47:00 -
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I just wish there were some bars/clubs that would allow smoking. That way both smokers and non-smokers get what they want, no?
Casual smoker myself, never could get addicted...
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Luther Kincaid
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Posted - 2006.01.31 17:01:00 -
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You want to destroy your health, that's your choice. What I object to is:
A) my tax/national insurance helping to pay for your healthcare when you inevitably get cancer/bronchitis etc
B) smoking in public places where you don't have a choice but to breath it in (e.g tubes, trains, currently every bar in england/wales)
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Posted - 2006.01.31 17:03:00 -
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Cars are necessary in the societies we live in, as is a degree of pollution. The price we pay for an advanced society.
Smoking isnt. You can do what ever you want to your body if your an informed adult, smoke your lungs out for all i care.
In public you have got to stop tho as then your harming non smokers. A fair compromise would be a seperate area for people to go have a ciggie. Your argument is akin to saying everyone in a bar should drink...Respect other peoples bodies please.
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Arcterran
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Posted - 2006.01.31 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Engel
If you dont want me to smoke near you go somewhere else. If you see a restaurant or Bar filled with smokers leave and go somewhere else. Simple as that folks.
I think you are being told to go somewhere else 
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.01.31 17:35:00 -
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Another one of those threads full of the righteous.
So you don't smoke, there's probaly other things you do which are just as bad.
Ofcourse the main one im getting at being alcohol.
Even in moderation it's exremely bad news for the body.. but like whatever.
Smoking isn't big or clever, it's just a thing some people do.. personaly i don't have a problem if like the op says, the bar/pub owner allows it in his/her estabishment ..
Screw the staff argument, in my local, they all smoke anyway.... My mates a landlord, he's dead against banning smoking in his pub, purely because he knows about 80% of his customers smoke... they ain't gona give up, they will just go down the offy and sit at home instead.
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Xrak
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Posted - 2006.01.31 17:53:00 -
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If you want to commit suicide by the most expensive and slow way possible, go ahead for all I care. But dont force other people to have to smell disgusting like you, and breath in your crap.
I dont think you would be happy if someone came in and started farting and kept farting every 2 mins, coz it stinks. Or how about if someone came in and started spraying caesium around.
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Posted - 2006.01.31 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Luther Kincaid
You want to destroy your health, that's your choice. What I object to is:
A) my tax/national insurance helping to pay for your healthcare when you inevitably get cancer/bronchitis etc
B) smoking in public places where you don't have a choice but to breath it in (e.g tubes, trains, currently every bar in england/wales)
FYI this is America, we pay our healthcare by running up credit card debts or getting a fake Canadian I.D. card.
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Dimitri Chandler
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Posted - 2006.01.31 17:53:00 -
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Smokers are becoming increasingly marginalised, which is a pain in the ass for smokers like myself, but is a sensible and hugely popular policy nonetheless. There is no reason why I should damage the health of those around me in their workplace or where they come to drink / socialise / play darts / etc etc.
Smoking will be banned in English pubs fairly soon and I am not about to kick up a huge fuss about it. I don't particularly want to stop smoking either, but until they stop me smoking in my house I don't have an issue with it.
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Luther Kincaid
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Posted - 2006.01.31 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Galtra Vorhlon
Originally by: Luther Kincaid
You want to destroy your health, that's your choice. What I object to is:
A) my tax/national insurance helping to pay for your healthcare when you inevitably get cancer/bronchitis etc
B) smoking in public places where you don't have a choice but to breath it in (e.g tubes, trains, currently every bar in england/wales)
FYI this is America, we pay our healthcare by running up credit card debts or getting a fake Canadian I.D. card.
LMAO!!!!
omg, some americans are so damn arrogant it's funny
newsflash for ya, there are countries in the world outside of america.. and guess what? some of them have nationalised healthcare systems, which force you to pay for other peoples healthcare regardless.
oh, and btw this forum isn't american, it's hosted in Iceland
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Posted - 2006.01.31 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Clavain Gobuchul
No, I agree with your council on this one. If you want to destroy your lungs. kindly do so in your own home and don't include the rest of us.
Where does it end? I rather like the ozone layer, kindly stop driving your car and get on the monorails. I can't abide overpopulation, kindly stop having children.
It's unfortunate that you got dragged, kicking and screaming, into a bar wherein your lungs were compelled into utter ruination by inhaling toxins. You should confront those people who deprive you of your free will and forcibly endanger your health every weekend.
I mean, we all have a constitutional right to preserve the health of our lungs whilst getting drunk in TAVERNS, institutions designed specifically for massive alcohol consumption, which compromises traffic safety to the degree that THREE TIMES as many people die to drunk drivers than lung cancer every year.
But your government is looking out for you, you get to bankroll freeways and redundant government jobs with the inevitable (but lucrative) destruction your LIVER, but you get to keep your healthy lungs.
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2006.01.31 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Luther Kincaid
Originally by: Galtra Vorhlon
Originally by: Luther Kincaid
You want to destroy your health, that's your choice. What I object to is:
A) my tax/national insurance helping to pay for your healthcare when you inevitably get cancer/bronchitis etc
B) smoking in public places where you don't have a choice but to breath it in (e.g tubes, trains, currently every bar in england/wales)
FYI this is America, we pay our healthcare by running up credit card debts or getting a fake Canadian I.D. card.
LMAO!!!!
omg, some americans are so damn arrogant it's funny
newsflash for ya, there are countries in the world outside of america.. and guess what? some of them have nationalised healthcare systems, which force you to pay for other peoples healthcare regardless.
oh, and btw this forum isn't american, it's hosted in Iceland
While you have a valud point, care to take a guess what costs more in heathcare?
A. Smoking.
B. Drinking.
I have yet to hear of someone wiping out a whole family by driving after a 20 pack or smoking a 20 pack and sticking glass in someones face...
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Posted - 2006.01.31 19:02:00 -
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its a bar for ducks sake, i dont go there for my health i go there to destroy what little of it i have left.
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Posted - 2006.01.31 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Apocrypha
Originally by: Clavain Gobuchul
No, I agree with your council on this one. If you want to destroy your lungs. kindly do so in your own home and don't include the rest of us.
Where does it end? I rather like the ozone layer, kindly stop driving your car and get on the monorails. I can't abide overpopulation, kindly stop having children.
It's unfortunate that you got dragged, kicking and screaming, into a bar wherein your lungs were compelled into utter ruination by inhaling toxins. You should confront those people who deprive you of your free will and forcibly endanger your health every weekend.
I mean, we all have a constitutional right to preserve the health of our lungs whilst getting drunk in TAVERNS, institutions designed specifically for massive alcohol consumption, which compromises traffic safety to the degree that THREE TIMES as many people die to drunk drivers than lung cancer every year.
But your government is looking out for you, you get to bankroll freeways and redundant government jobs with the inevitable (but lucrative) destruction your LIVER, but you get to keep your healthy lungs.
LOL car polution isant the same as smoker polution.
Is there an alternative to Driving cars? no and flapping your arms about shouting the word MONORAIL MONORAIL wont change this monorails ar expensive to set up compared to laying roads. And in case you have forgotten this is a GLOBAL world now which means a need for travel and for most of us that means a personal transporter I.E. Cars.
Smoking meanwhile has an alternative you can stop its not nessasary to civilisation or your body so if smoking stopped yesterday the world would hardly grind to a hault.
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Posted - 2006.01.31 19:23:00 -
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Quote:
I rather like the ozone layer, kindly stop driving your car and get on the monorails. I can't abide overpopulation, kindly stop having children.
Damn straight!
Stop it right now.
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Posted - 2006.01.31 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: Luther Kincaid
Originally by: Galtra Vorhlon
Originally by: Luther Kincaid
You want to destroy your health, that's your choice. What I object to is:
A) my tax/national insurance helping to pay for your healthcare when you inevitably get cancer/bronchitis etc
B) smoking in public places where you don't have a choice but to breath it in (e.g tubes, trains, currently every bar in england/wales)
FYI this is America, we pay our healthcare by running up credit card debts or getting a fake Canadian I.D. card.
LMAO!!!!
omg, some americans are so damn arrogant it's funny
newsflash for ya, there are countries in the world outside of america.. and guess what? some of them have nationalised healthcare systems, which force you to pay for other peoples healthcare regardless.
oh, and btw this forum isn't american, it's hosted in Iceland
While you have a valud point, care to take a guess what costs more in heathcare?
A. Smoking.
B. Drinking.
I have yet to hear of someone wiping out a whole family by driving after a 20 pack or smoking a 20 pack and sticking glass in someones face...
I also object to excessive drinking, alcohol related violence and alcohol related road accidents. I design breathalysers for a living, I know full well what the costs are. The point is, people who knowingly make these choices to shorten their lifespan and so burden the healthcare system should be made to pay their own care costs. Oh and regarding private health insurance, these people put everyone elses premiums up, so everyone else STILL ends up paying.
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Posted - 2006.01.31 19:51:00 -
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Don't worry my friend, you are not alone.
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Posted - 2006.01.31 20:10:00 -
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If cigarette smoke hovered around the smoker in a neat little ball for them to enjoy then that would be great, smoke wherever you want. Fact is - it doesnt, it diffuses. As a result, have some ******* consideration for your fellow human beings or kindly end yourself in a far quicker manner.
Except for jumping in front of my train. Again. Selfish noobs
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Posted - 2006.01.31 20:13:00 -
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Edited by: Pitt on 31/01/2006 20:15:17
Well, while we're at it lets' all become vegitarian (sp?) (meat and fried food= high blood pressure, heart attacks, stroke, and extreme obisity cause's a very shortend life)
non-drinkers(Liver disease, high blood pressure, heart attacks and strokes, not to mention driving accidents),
non-smokers (well you know these),
non-caffenated, (heart problems, kidney infections, acid reflux, again stroke and heart attacks)
non-sexual (aid's and std's are one of the largest health concerns in the world),
non-drivers (even smokers are at more risk to die while driving then smoking related problems).
Once that's done our insureance premiums and socialized health care bills should be much much lower. Oh, and no more than 1 hour of computer games at a time because reports show that too much time on the comp is very bad for your health.
Or you could just learn to live with the crap of other people just like the other people have to live with your crap.
Oh, and if you are in a bar enough to develop long term 2nd hand smoke problems. Your liver will crap out on you long before your lungs get cancer.
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Posted - 2006.01.31 20:17:00 -
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I agree that smoking is unhealthy, if asked to do so, I will walk outside and smoke. If told to by the govt, I get angry.
Before this ordinance was passed, Fast food restuarants banned smoking inside. So dont give me that, they wont do it unless the govt tell them to do so.
On another note, why is the word '****' censored?
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Posted - 2006.01.31 20:50:00 -
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Thread cleaned.
This discussion is borderline politics and will be locked if there is any more flaming/trolling going on.
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Posted - 2006.01.31 21:53:00 -
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To all those comparing drinking to smoking there are a couple of things you should think about. Where you're talking about health service costs think how many people drink compared to how many people smoke. Also moderate drinking your body can cope with. You're liver can cope with a reasonable amount and process it like any other poisin in the blood. You're lungs however don't clean themselves. Its a bit like your teeth, once you damage them you don't get another chance.
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2006.01.31 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Luther Kincaid
You want to destroy your health, that's your choice. What I object to is:
A) my tax/national insurance helping to pay for your healthcare when you inevitably get cancer/bronchitis etc
B) smoking in public places where you don't have a choice but to breath it in (e.g tubes, trains, currently every bar in england/wales)
What I object to is free treatment for alchol abuse, being a fat bastard, sport related injuries, acidents you caused, stupidity, ilegal drugs etc...get the picture? all stuff that you do to yourself.
Why yes I am a smoker, no I really don't secretly want to give up, I don't smoke in places marked as non-smoking, I don't smoke next to people eating etc.
Anybody else that remember the kick up when they were considering charging some stupid old bat that kept having to be rescued by Mountian rescue teams after having been resced something like 5 times in one year?
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Posted - 2006.01.31 22:28:00 -
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I don't smoke .... I'm an ex smoker .. but I think it's a funny world these days when a man can't walk down the pub and have a smoke for crying out loud.
Ok - sure, provide separate smoking and non smoking areas - but ban it all together indoors in a bar? What next - ... a license required to fart in your own bed?
The truth of the matter is that humans are so irritated by their own day to day moral vulgarity that - rather than take responsibility for their own lives and actions, they try to righteously legislate over other people lives to appease their own conscience.
All kinds of groups are misusing the law to stitch their own fascist civil liberty eroding fibre in to the fabric of the 'new world order' .. from the thought police in your local town to the government planning biometric compulsory ID cards and automobile tracking.
As soon as you realise you're just cattle - the next thing you have to worry about is someone turning you in to a burger!
/rant off
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Posted - 2006.02.01 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: Hanns on 01/02/2006 01:11:13
Banning smoking in a bar is like banning cheering at a football match
Im a smoker and im not to bothered TBH, i can go for a day without a smoke, so im not that bothered, but where im from, Drink and smoking goes hand in hand, Smoking has been around as long as pubs, its just kinda tradition, in the UK you go into an old local pub, and its smokey, i dont think it would be the same without it! whats next, ban getting drunk in a pub??
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Posted - 2006.02.01 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Void Dragon
LOL car polution isant the same as smoker polution.
You are right, car pollution damage the environment much more.
Originally by: Void Dragon
Is there an alternative to Driving cars? no and flapping your arms about shouting the word MONORAIL MONORAIL wont change this monorails ar expensive to set up compared to laying roads. And in case you have forgotten this is a GLOBAL world now which means a need for travel and for most of us that means a personal transporter I.E. Cars.
Is there an alternative to go places where smoking is allowed?
There's bikes, busses, trains and electric cars. All of that would take more time and effort, which means that car drivers, much like smokers, cba to change their habbits over night. Even though it would be better for all.
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Posted - 2006.02.01 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Hanns
whats next, ban getting drunk in a pub??
We can only hope. I think this thread's already proven just how many people are so goddam stupid that they need someone telling them what to do all the time.
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Posted - 2006.02.01 11:11:00 -
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Theres a lot of info here:
Linkage
Now scroll down that page to the External Links part. What surpises me is that there are sites dedicated to smoking!
LOL @ Smoking Passions
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Posted - 2006.02.01 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Hanns
whats next, ban getting drunk in a pub??
IIRC, it is actually illegal (or at least was) in Scotland, and possibly the whole UK, to be intoxicated on licenced premises.
Personally, I'm all for the blanket public smoking ban that is coming here in Scotland. My reasons are simple, a lot of my friends & family who do smoke only do so in pubs. So, by imposing a ban on smoking in public places this will give them a good reason to stop, and for people who lack willpower such incentives are needed (by their own admission).
That and it means my clothes won't smell as much the next morning.
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Posted - 2006.02.01 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Burga Galti
My reasons are simple, a lot of my friends & family who do smoke only do so in pubs. So, by imposing a ban on smoking in public places this will give them a good reason to stop, and for people who lack willpower such incentives are needed (by their own admission).
This summarizes everything I donĘt like about the anti-smoking movement, "Lets protect people from themselves". Well said.
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Posted - 2006.02.02 16:41:00 -
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to all you non-smokers! go out buy a pack of cigaettes and spark that b*stard up, contrary to popular beleif smoking IS cool, you look both grown up and sophisticated, it will make you more attractive to men/women and people will look at you with the sense of a young go getter that has no limits
Ok, i'm a smoker you might have guessed  (and any idiot that didn't see the irony of the above statement needs to go take a swan dive off the local high rise) and i can't say i'd have a problem going outside for a cigarette dependant on the siutation. If i'm in a bar full of non-smokers, yeah i'd put me coat on and feck off outside for a cigarette, if some non-smoker comes into a pub where the majority of people in there smoke, then tough luck, deal with it. What does get my goat is all these damn people out there that don't smoke that look at smokers like they're the devil themselves with some holier-than-thou attitude. Get bent if thats you.
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Posted - 2006.02.02 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Winter Star
Fight the power over poverty and education and healthcare.. don't fight them over trying to help you out.
If you want to kill yourself go do it in private. don't make other people share in your unhealthy addiction (no, not tht one )
/me gives a round of applause
i was on the train station the other day, and some cow was smoking and puffing away on the right of me, where the wind was bloiwng in that direction, she knew it was annoying me, was gonna push her onto the tracks
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