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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4459
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Posted - 2013.10.27 11:11:00 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
He might be plexing every single account and playing for free.
HE might play for free but the accounts are paid as he consumes at least 97 PLEX each month.
Now you know who to blame for those > 600M PLEXes. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
294
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Posted - 2013.10.27 11:12:00 -
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WilliamMays wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Hinata' Hyuga wrote:Cleans ice belts in 20 min. When they aren't repositioning they orbit a Vulture. The cry of the clear icicle can be heard 2 systems away http://i.imgur.com/2h6D2Wr.png?1 No idea why you would ever do something like this but the sheer level of technical expertise needed to pull this off is impressive. Imagine having to type your password 97 times? YEAH RIGHT!!! *Cough* eula violations *cough* macro user * cough* as a fan of irony, I'll just leave this here insidious mining fleetnow this is clearly not an identical situation, but you are definitely living in a glass house while throwing rocks The dscan, while not rock solid proof, shows that you likely have several multiboxers in your own back yard. This leads to the question of how many is to many in your opinion
You don't need multiboxing software to run 9 macks.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4459
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Posted - 2013.10.27 11:21:00 -
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Lara Dantreb wrote:From my only point of view it's just nonsense : I don't catch the fun of having to deploy so much hardware/software just to earn isks ? IMO it's not relaxing, it's mental illness such like obsessional disease to multibox 97 accounts.
To summarize : I don't care : I played EVE 9 years with more or less no boredom, I doubt this guy will ever hurt anyone : he is too busy for isks...
I would not be surprised if one day the guy would get perma banned for ultra-massive RMT. He's doing all the prerequisites in a most professional way.
I would not be surprised if CCP would reward him with unique ships and set his in game status as "fansite" as well, that'd be so consequent to what they are doing with SOMER Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
248
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Posted - 2013.10.27 11:27:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Lara Dantreb wrote:From my only point of view it's just nonsense : I don't catch the fun of having to deploy so much hardware/software just to earn isks ? IMO it's not relaxing, it's mental illness such like obsessional disease to multibox 97 accounts.
To summarize : I don't care : I played EVE 9 years with more or less no boredom, I doubt this guy will ever hurt anyone : he is too busy for isks... I would not be surprised if one day the guy would get perma banned for ultra-massive RMT. He's doing all the prerequisites in a most professional way. I would not be surprised if CCP would reward him with unique ships and set his in game status as "fansite" as well, that'd be so consequent to what they are doing with SOMER
Why does uber-multi client setup automatically guarantee RMT? Why can't he like making obscene amounts of ISK through obscene amounts of clients for no other reason than to Scrooge McDuck it all?
If I had a setup that could handle it I'd do the same damn thing. It would take me a while to get up to 100 clients, but still.
Something else I noticed is that he's playing this pretty smart. if he has 97 accounts for multiboxing, he only ever has half of them on the field at once. So even if he gets ganked and for some reason had 0 ISK in any of the accounts for some ******* reason, he'd still half the other half of his fleet to make money for replacements.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4459
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Posted - 2013.10.27 11:37:00 -
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Musashi Date wrote:
Its safe to say that managing around ~20 planets can burn you out, that you'll think really hard about training PI ever again.
I manage 118, every day, with no issue. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4459
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Posted - 2013.10.27 11:41:00 -
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WilliamMays wrote:as a fan of irony, I'll just leave this here insidious mining fleetnow this is clearly not an identical situation, but you are definitely living in a glass house while throwing rocks The dscan, while not rock solid proof, shows that you likely have several multiboxers in your own back yard. This leads to the question of how many is to many in your opinion
This is proof that null sec is so overly dangerous we need to nerf ... uh... everything in hi sec!
Said that, multi boxers are the heirs of botters.
Now that botting has been squashed pretty hard, the best way to RMT is to do it in a CCP sanctioned way! Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4459
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Posted - 2013.10.27 11:48:00 -
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Himnos Altar wrote: Why does uber-multi client setup automatically guarantee RMT? Why can't he like making obscene amounts of ISK through obscene amounts of clients for no other reason than to Scrooge McDuck it all?
He's one of who knows how many that play like that. He's not new or unique.
Since Darius Johnson campaigns against botting have been so succesful, those who want to stay in the RMT business have to resort to these other ways.
Whether he's an actual RMTer or not is irrelevant, he's part of a number of people who "outsmarted" CCP's ways to forbid automation and a good portion of that number of people (possibly mostly in null sec backyards) are doing the "oldest job in men's history". Which in EvE, is not prostituting but RMTing.
Himnos Altar wrote: How can a Character in EVE become a fansite? A fansite is, by very definition, a WEBsite. Not an EVE Avatar.
Don't worry, CCP changed and bent their EULA and sometimes just "forgot" about it, in order to favor this or that. Those high "worth" individuals will find a sweet spot in the rules if that will be needed to keep them paying. I'd not be surprised to see "fansite" being changed into something like "community building / servicing corps". Names don't count, the $ubstance doe$. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Hinata' Hyuga
The Dark Triad Atrocitas
18
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Posted - 2013.10.27 22:31:00 -
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Himnos Altar wrote:
Something else I noticed is that he's playing this pretty smart. if he has 97 accounts for multiboxing, he only ever has half of them on the field at once. So even if he gets ganked and for some reason had 0 ISK in any of the accounts for some ******* reason, he'd still half the other half of his fleet to make money for replacements.
This comment made me curious. Sure enough, The Wis' spirit cannot be broken.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4972
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Posted - 2013.10.28 00:14:00 -
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Hinata' Hyuga wrote:Himnos Altar wrote: Something else I noticed is that he's playing this pretty smart. if he has 97 accounts for multiboxing, he only ever has half of them on the field at once. So even if he gets ganked and for some reason had 0 ISK in any of the accounts for some ******* reason, he'd still half the other half of his fleet to make money for replacements.
This comment made me curious. Sure enough, The Wis' spirit cannot be broken.
Not bad. Just a few mackinaws more to replace. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2323
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Posted - 2013.10.29 10:08:00 -
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I am a hiseccer carebear & miner, and I want to thank you for the service delivered to this community against that despicable multiboxer. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
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Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
149
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Posted - 2013.10.29 10:11:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I am a hiseccer carebear & miner, and I want to thank you for the service delivered to this community against that despicable multiboxer.
#alreadyreplaced |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2324
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Posted - 2013.10.29 10:16:00 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I am a hiseccer carebear & miner, and I want to thank you for the service delivered to this community against that despicable multiboxer. #alreadyreplaced
Poetic justice still is justice. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Raziel Walker
Weaponised FuGu
14
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Posted - 2013.10.29 12:14:00 -
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Multiboxing this many accounts is a bit over the top. Perhaps CCP should change it's stance on tools like ISBoxer?
Nevertheless since it is legal at the moment we can't blame this guy for pushing the limits of what is allowed. Same way we shouldn't blame SOMER for legal RMT.
How many players would complain if this guy was in their corp/alliance and donated 50% of his profits to a pvp ship reimbursement program? He could move to null and fund a corp this way just to protect him while he mines.
I am not saying this behaviour is desirable. |
Spankijs Omaristos
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Northern Associates.
53
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Posted - 2013.10.29 12:38:00 -
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Raziel Walker wrote:
How many players would complain if this guy was in their corp/alliance and donated 50% of his profits to a pvp ship reimbursement program? He could move to null and fund a corp this way just to protect him while he mines.
I am not saying this behaviour is desirable.
Pff, He can just create his own corp and rent a quet system somewhere in null and deal only with occasional neut passing by :D
Raziel Walker wrote: Multiboxing this many accounts is a bit over the top. Perhaps CCP should change it's stance on tools like ISBoxer?
Its actually not. CCP gets payed, player gets what he desires= both sides profit. |
Oswald Bolke
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
7
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Posted - 2013.10.29 12:38:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I have a feeling eventually the Rule-Hammer is going to come down on this BS sometime within the next year.
not when CCP gets all that cashy money it won't
It's like Blink
sure they are questionably bad for the game...but CCP can't wait to shell out bonuses for them...because they really like their money in the frozen north
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
66041
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Posted - 2013.10.29 12:43:00 -
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Raziel Walker wrote:
Nevertheless since it is legal at the moment we can't blame this guy for pushing the limits of what is allowed.
O_o Makes no sense. Yes we can blame him for pushing the limits. He did (is) pushing the limits.
What we can't do is blame him for violating CCP policy. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4994
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:23:00 -
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bonuses for multiboxing miners huh There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Maximum Dealer
The Paragon Project
0
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:46:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Louise Beethoven wrote:These no life losers ruin the game for everyone At ~$1455 a month to run 97 accounts, I highly doubt this person has no life. First of all, there's no indication that this person is spending vast quantities of time running them. In fact, it's quite obvious that they want to spend as little time mining as possible, hence 97 accounts. Additionally, to be able to afford that kind of money, you at least need to have a job. Or be a very successful criminal. At either rate, that does not really qualify as having no life. However, I digress. Your point here, of course, is "this person is doing something I don't like, therefore I'm going to be as vindictive as possible." A word of advice - accusing someone of having no life is not an insult. At best, it's a statement of fact if the person you're addressing actually feels like their life lacks substance. However, if someone plays video games all day and feels that gives their life all the substance it needs, then they do, indeed, have a life. They are living it the way they enjoy it. "No life" is such a subjective turn of phrase. It's like accusing someone of being selfish because they choose not to have children. Almost 100% of the time, both instances merely indicate jealousy. Also, what Kate said.
What the hell?
Obviously anyone running more than 3 accounts is paying by PLEX. What other reason is there to multibox anyway? Do you really think someone would be ice mining for fun? With 97 accounts? Seriously... LOL? Not at all my friend, its the ISK obsession what is imperating here (as most of times with multiboxers)
I personally get nervous and overwhelmed when running more than 2 accounts. I can't imagine what a miserable experience would be "playing" with more than 5 accounts. 97... seriously something is wrong here but CCP makes a lot of money (via PLEX you know) so thats fine.
I guess that dude is planning to get massive amounts of ISK and then shutting down most of those accounts and do something more "productive" both for himself and the galaxy. |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
258
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Posted - 2013.10.29 17:04:00 -
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Maximum Dealer wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Louise Beethoven wrote:These no life losers ruin the game for everyone At ~$1455 a month to run 97 accounts, I highly doubt this person has no life. First of all, there's no indication that this person is spending vast quantities of time running them. In fact, it's quite obvious that they want to spend as little time mining as possible, hence 97 accounts. Additionally, to be able to afford that kind of money, you at least need to have a job. Or be a very successful criminal. At either rate, that does not really qualify as having no life. However, I digress. Your point here, of course, is "this person is doing something I don't like, therefore I'm going to be as vindictive as possible." A word of advice - accusing someone of having no life is not an insult. At best, it's a statement of fact if the person you're addressing actually feels like their life lacks substance. However, if someone plays video games all day and feels that gives their life all the substance it needs, then they do, indeed, have a life. They are living it the way they enjoy it. "No life" is such a subjective turn of phrase. It's like accusing someone of being selfish because they choose not to have children. Almost 100% of the time, both instances merely indicate jealousy. Also, what Kate said. What the hell? Obviously anyone running more than 3 accounts is paying by PLEX. What other reason is there to multibox anyway? Do you really think someone would be ice mining for fun? With 97 accounts? Seriously... LOL? Not at all my friend, its the ISK obsession what is imperating here (as most of times with multiboxers) I personally get nervous and overwhelmed when running more than 2 accounts. I can't imagine what a miserable experience would be "playing" with more than 5 accounts. 97... seriously something is wrong here but CCP makes a lot of money (via PLEX you know) so thats fine. I guess that dude is planning to get massive amounts of ISK and then shutting down most of those accounts and do something more "productive" both for himself and the galaxy.
That, or selling off 90 perfect Miners and their Exhumers. :P
Or, he could set up out in null/hi/Wspace somewhere and have one hell of an industrial operation.
I flew with him occasionally a year or two ago and he's an indy guy IIRC.
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Sven Viko VIkolander
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
96
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Posted - 2013.10.29 17:24:00 -
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This cycle of creation and destruction is what makes EVE awesome. Thanks for the content, both to the miner and the gankers \o/ Anyone know what this guy is up to now? Did he replace the fleet? |
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Rinterra Tsurioro
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2014.01.18 04:02:00 -
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I did some math just to see how feasible having 97 ice mining accounts 95 miners, booster, and Nightmare.
I am assuming that all 97 of his characters are all level 5, the boosts are all level 5, and each miner has a 'Yeti' 1005 implant. I am also assuming that each mackinaw is fit with Ice Harvesting rigs, T2 ice miners, and the lows are filled with Ice Harvester Upgrade II's.
This gives each mackinaw a cycle time of 74.81 seconds. 95 Macks with 2 lasers each means that per each cycle, he gets 190 pieces of ice. Assuming once piece of ice is ~200,000 isk, that's 38,000,000 isk per cycle. Given a plex costs 630 million as of writing this in jita, to plex all accounts it would cost 61.1 billion isk. This will take him about 1608 cycles, or 33 continuous hours of mining.
So, unless he's paying out of pocket for all of these accounts, it is not feasible unless he can manage to not only take the time to mine the ice, but ship it, and sell it without crippling the market in a month.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1439
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Posted - 2014.01.18 04:39:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:This asshattery would never happen outside of highsec.
Yes, that was a stealth NERF HIGHSEC comment. Lolololol. Oh how very wrong you are.
There are renter systems provided by Goons to Carebears where you can find similar operations everyday of the year. Look to Period Basis, set to NPC kills in last 24 hours. From memory the corp running these ops is called "This space for rent" and is a member of Greater Western Co Properity, it's one botter farmer corp among many Goons assist but good luck catching them when you have to negotiate the 10 permanent large bubbles at the gate and survive their twenty ISBOXER Dominix sentries guards. |
Natassia Krasnoo
R3D SHIFT DRACONIAN COVENANT
110
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Posted - 2014.01.18 06:00:00 -
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My god...it's full of Mackinaws!
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Centis Adjani
The Scope Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2014.01.18 08:03:00 -
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I guess these are Chinese. Like that: Gold Farmers |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1093
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Posted - 2014.01.18 08:07:00 -
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Raziel Walker wrote:Multiboxing this many accounts is a bit over the top. Perhaps CCP should change it's stance on tools like ISBoxer?
Nevertheless since it is legal at the moment we can't blame this guy for pushing the limits of what is allowed. Same way we shouldn't blame SOMER for legal RMT.
How many players would complain if this guy was in their corp/alliance and donated 50% of his profits to a pvp ship reimbursement program? He could move to null and fund a corp this way just to protect him while he mines.
I am not saying this behaviour is desirable.
If you don't blame Somer (and CCP) for what they did then you can't read and understand an EULA.
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Inspiration
108
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Posted - 2014.01.18 08:29:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Interesting he sets to orbit one ship. It would be...interesting, if that single ship were ganked. All those mining ships, flying off in all different directions. Whee!
The orbiting is for control and to make ganks harder to begin with, yet the center ship if you can blow it up..that will be all you blow up as by then concord will land protection in and he simple lets everything orbit another anchor. The only way to take it all out is smart bombs and a LOT of them. It wont be cheap to take it all out and you can expect everything to be buffer tanked to the hill. I hate arguing with static minds that relate everything relative to the status-quo. By definition these minds oppose logic, reason, posses a narrow view and object against solutions for issues that have half an existing workaround. Left up to them, nothing would ever progress!
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2347
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Posted - 2014.01.18 08:35:00 -
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Raziel Walker wrote:Multiboxing this many accounts is a bit over the top. Perhaps CCP should change it's stance on tools like ISBoxer?
Ultimately his 96 payed accounts are worth more to CCP than your single accounts whines are. Now I question the sanity of someone that things "I can hook 96 accounts together to do interesting things.... I know... I'll mine!" but then I don't understand people with single accounts that stare at rocks all day.
I'd probably be bowling around in some goofy remote repping battleship fleet, pushing entire chunks of nullsec in front of me like a runnaway bulldozer. |
Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
36
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Posted - 2014.01.18 08:42:00 -
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HAHA, It's The Wis!
Good to know he's still playing EVE.
I have nothing against The Wis, or his like, but CCP please nerf hisec so ISBOXERS can't affect the EVE economy like this. |
Dave Stark
4220
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Posted - 2014.01.18 08:45:00 -
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Diamond Zerg wrote:HAHA, It's The Wis!
Good to know he's still playing EVE.
I have nothing against The Wis, or his like, but CCP please nerf hisec so ISBOXERS can't affect the EVE economy like this.
i'll agree with you if you tell me how 96 accounts owned by 1 player is damaging the economy more than 96 individual players controlling all of those accounts. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2347
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Posted - 2014.01.18 09:04:00 -
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if anything mining at this level drives mineral prices down, which drive ship prices down, which means more people are going to buy shiny ships for me too shoot at
I'd also like to request the op mine gallente ice so I can hotdrop cheaper tia |
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