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Scrapyard Bob EVE University Ivy League 267	Posted - 2011.11.03 15:43:00 - [31] - Quote If you're hauling 1B+ ISK in an Orca and don't have it tanked to the max, then you'd better have an alt running ahead of you in a shuttle (or better, a corp mate with a web) to check for gank parties waiting at the gates. And pay attention to "ships destroyed in the previous hour / day" stats along your route. Especially in the common gank locations like Sivala, Perimeter, New Caldari, etc.
coolzero The Replicators Northern Associates. 1	Posted - 2011.11.03 20:25:00 - [32] - Quote Scrapyard Bob wrote: If you're hauling 1B+ ISK in an Orca and don't have it tanked to the max, then you'd better have an alt running ahead of you in a shuttle (or better, a corp mate with a web) to check for gank parties waiting at the gates. And pay attention to "ships destroyed in the previous hour / day" stats along your route. Especially in the common gank locations like Sivala, Perimeter, New Caldari, etc. not with a anti gank orca....they cant scan whats in the corp hanger and whats in it gets destroyed as wel and it takes some power to take a anti gank orca down they will only do it if they realllly hate you and have enough people willing loose a lot of isk becuase other then the killmail nothing else will drop.
Tash'k Omar Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates. 1	Posted - 2011.11.03 21:16:00 - [33] - Quote Serial Chi wrote: blockade runner, cloak up the instant you come out of the station or jump through the gate and warp. You obviously have never undocked a blockade runner from Jita 4-4.
Tauranon Weeesearch 10	Posted - 2011.11.04 00:01:00 - [34] - Quote Serial Chi wrote: blockade runner, cloak up the instant you come out of the station or jump through the gate and warp. because there will NEVER EVER be anything within 2km of the jita undock when you pop.
Slothook Excrutiating Dirge 1	Posted - 2011.11.04 05:58:00 - [35] - Quote If you already have the skills for flying the ships mentioned, then you will already know the answer to your question. By asking the question one would assume for the majority of ships mentioned, you can't fly If you are worried about being ganked then contract your stuff as a courier for somoene else to move - at least if they get ganked then you are fully covered by the collateral. Alternatively, break it down into smaller amounts - don't put all your eggs into one basket
Bernd dB Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2011.11.04 08:06:00 - [36] - Quote @Threadopener: I also could strongly recommend transport contracts as an alternative. You can do other stuff in the meantime, where you would fly your slow freighters / Orcas / transporters and earn more money, what the contract costs. I only use my Orca when I have a trade chance from Hub to Hub. Otherwise I fly my Shuttle T2 (Interceptor), buy, issue transport contract and will be back to home system within a very short time compared to orca and sometimes the Orca just don't have enough space if I am buying minerals for production for example. And always do use enough collateral! I tend to add 30-40% of the value and give 200k per jump. Contract was accepted and fulfilled always within a day! And if you don't fly an Orca yet you can do a lot of transport contracts until you reach the costs of an orca, a freighter or a even blockade runner :-) pussnheels wrote: MWD CLOAK tric yes and the extra agility helps to get you aligned faster , , quicker you are away from the gateless chance they will notice you when you are on a busy gate on one of the major trade routes And don't give me that ehp crap , it will not help you when a group decide to try and gfank you just for the fun of it , and don't even say it doesn't happen because it does happen, i did lose a freighter because i happen to be at the wrong gate at the wrong time Do you fly an Orca??? MWD Cloak is unnecessary, because an orca is not an interceptor. It will just don't get away really from the gate. If they want to know what you have inside, they will uncloak you immediately and good scanners can scan you down in a very, very short time. And why the hell do you need to align faster? 10sec. with 100MN MWD will always be 10 seconds, doesn't matter if you fit damage control, nanofibres or other stuff. So it doesn't count. But what "could" count is your EHP. If I fit my Orca with Nanofibres or ECH2 the EHP is approx. 1/3 of my standard EHP. So the gankers need only a small group of gank ships, where they need to call much more people to gank me and so far I have never seen a group which would have been big enough to gank a Tank-orca. Even though I know that not all gankers are waiting at the gate, but for example in the Belts / Ice Belts of the systems on the trade routes mining and just wait until they receive a "call" that a possible victim is on the way
pussnheels Vintage heavy industries 151	Posted - 2011.11.04 09:24:00 - [37] - Quote you obviously never ventured out of high sec did you, where every second you linger on a gate can be your last , or maybe just alone in a cloaky blockaderunner out of curiosity and I certainly don't have the time to have my hauler pilot waste 4 hours just flying afk from system a to system b there are other more useful things he can do Each their own mate but i am pretty sure none of my charcters and alts are wasting time flying afk for hours on end by the way a orca can't fit a 100mwd atleast not with sacrificing other slots but like i said each their own I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Bernd dB Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2011.11.04 09:50:00 - [38] - Quote BUT we are talking about HISEC here! Unless Jita was changed into a lowsec system since last week your recommendations are not very useful. So better orientate on what is requested. He never mentioned, that he want's to go into lowsec. Lowsec would be another situation. There I would never recommend an orca for just 3k m3. And exchange one Cargo Rig with a PG-Rig make you loose only little space, but do save you 10% armor hp penalty and more interesting save you a lot of time when you fly your orca! Who cares about 5k m3 less, when you save 35-40sec. align time at each gate / Station. If you really care about those 5k m3 you better buy and fly a freighter.
StarLite Aurora Polaris The Babylon Consortium 1	Posted - 2011.11.04 11:49:00 - [39] - Quote I thought your cargo couldn't be scanned if you put if in giant secure containers, but I guess you can still be scanned? If they can't see what your hauling, they probably won't bother to kill you.
Scrapyard Bob EVE University Ivy League 270	Posted - 2011.11.04 12:26:00 - [40] - Quote StarLite wrote: I thought your cargo couldn't be scanned if you put if in giant secure containers, but I guess you can still be scanned? If they can't see what your hauling, they probably won't bother to kill you. If the GSC is placed directly in the cargo hold - then it can be scanned by players. If the GSC is inside a courier contract (double-wrapped) - then it cannot be scanned by players (but still scanned by NPC customs officials, just like the corp hangar). Alternately, you can courier contract something (not a container) to your alt, then have your alt courier contract it back to you (which double-wraps) for the actual move. Depending on the pirate, they may decide that double-wrapped containers are "interesting enough" to gank.
Marcus Gideon Federal Defense Operations Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub 9	Posted - 2011.11.04 15:46:00 - [41] - Quote Khanh'rhh wrote: [Rokh, BS Hauler] ... Hauls 1900m3 EHP: 185,000 It's going to take about 20 battleships to gank you. [Orca, Transport] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Core Defence Field Extender II Large Core Defence Field Extender II Large Core Defence Field Extender II HG Slave Set KVA3000 ZET3300 ZET5500 326,542 EHP Hauls: 37,500m3 cargo, 40,000m3 corp hangar, 50,000m3 ore bay, 400,000m3 ship maint array
Hax Zoidberg New Eden Shipping New Eden Customs Enforcement 0	Posted - 2011.11.04 21:40:00 - [42] - Quote Anshar Hauls 351,563 m3 363.6k EHP before implants 431.5k EHP with Slave set, KVA3000, ZET3300, Akemon's ZET5000 fully passive tank too, so you can easily AFK
Akara Ito Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 37	Posted - 2011.11.04 22:00:00 - [43] - Quote The Orca is good but a realistic passive setup has about 95k EHP. maybe a bit more with extender rigs. A JF should be the best for a full passive mode but for small items jsut fly a Drake or a Moa. If you want to be ultra save you could even buy an Eagle as its extremely cheap and should be able to fit a better tank than a drake with a lower sig and better speed.
Loraine Gess Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists 2	Posted - 2011.11.05 01:03:00 - [44] - Quote Akara Ito wrote: The Orca is good but a realistic passive setup has about 95k EHP. maybe a bit more with extender rigs. A JF should be the best for a full passive mode but for small items jsut fly a Drake or a Moa. If you want to be ultra save you could even buy an Eagle as its extremely cheap and should be able to fit a better tank than a drake with a lower sig and better speed. T2 is totally unrealistic [Orca, IMPOSSIBLE FIT] Damage Control II [empty low slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Look! A single module gives it 180k EHP. Double what you think. Also, eagle? Pfft. A competent suicide ganker will bring a TP and then you've got a paper tank when you could've had a brick drake.
Desudes Federal Defence Union Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2011.11.05 02:12:00 - [45] - Quote I'd suggest the huge buffer Rohk that was posted for bulk moves. If you're moving REALLY expensive items, then a few at a time in a nano-dramiel or something. Excuse me, but what the fck are you desu?*
Kale Eledar Mining and Industrial Services The Irukandji 2	Posted - 2011.11.05 04:48:00 - [46] - Quote The Orca is a solid choice for the above stated reasons. An unscannable cargo hold makes ganking less likely and the items do not drop from this location of the ship. It also has lots of cargo space and can get a pretty high EHP, which is good when alpha is the methodology behind ganking.
Scrapyard Bob EVE University Ivy League 272	Posted - 2011.11.05 05:08:00 - [47] - Quote I'd use a covops over a Dram to move stuff, the cloak comes in handy for breaking locks at the gate and both warp equally quickly. Or a blockade runner, which is almost as nimble and also has the Covops cloak for breaking locks and getting away from gankers. Heck, for flying under the radar, I used to use a salvage cane with an innocent name fitted with a mix of cargo expanders, nanos and a DC2 along with a full set of shield tanking modules (pair of invuln2, lots of T2 LSEs). Nobody really expects a hurricane to be hauling anything as it's mostly used for PvE/PvP. It had 53k EHP and held about 2400 m3, or I could put a pair of 1600mm plates in along with a pair of T2 EANMs and get to 87k EHP w/ 920 m3.
Bloody Wench 122	Posted - 2011.11.06 03:42:00 - [48] - Quote bago'searchtwo wrote: I'm moving myself to Jita and previously haven't had to worry about suicide ganks. I know it's about to get a lot easier, but atm what would be the best ship to move around 3k max (per trip) in and out of Jita? And how much would it take to suicide gank it? Here's something you may be overlooking. Get someone else to do it. Courier contracts into and out of Jita are taken and completed very quickly. I have never had to wait more than 24 hours to get stuff delivered in either direction, even from or to the most obscure places. Just put up a public courier, and that's it, it's done.
Anya Ohaya School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 26	Posted - 2011.11.06 07:45:00 - [49] - Quote Nyla Skin wrote: Viator with covops cloak. Moves around 10k. You can even put a stab on it for some extra safety and -2k.. You can't cloak off the 4-4 undock (or most stations), so you need an instawarp, and instawarps aren't always 100% instant; so there is still a minor chance of getting ganked.
laysha GONE RETARD BACK LATER Rise - Against 1	Posted - 2011.11.07 06:44:00 - [50] - Quote Lady Ayeipsia wrote: For jita 4 - 4 undock.... Book mark jita planet 4 moon 1. This is an instant undock for the station. Guess i know where to do my ship scanning now
Aurure Carnivore Company 0	Posted - 2011.11.08 20:53:00 - [51] - Quote [Mastodon, Tank] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I 96k EHP - 21k raw Shield HP - 84.7EM - 75.5Therm - 63.3Kin - 69.4Explo - Peak Recharge is 80 HP/s - Omnitank around 300 DPS. Other Setups with Shield Power Relays for example hit the 500 dps Tankmark. Cargohold is 6563m-¦. Contra: ****, **, **** aligntime of 18.1 Seconds.
Ryuce 3	Posted - 2011.11.09 09:06:00 - [52] - Quote Anya Ohaya wrote: Nyla Skin wrote: Viator with covops cloak. Moves around 10k. You can even put a stab on it for some extra safety and -2k.. You can't cloak off the 4-4 undock (or most stations), so you need an instawarp, and instawarps aren't always 100% instant; so there is still a minor chance of getting ganked. So you are suggesting that a suicide ganker is able to both scan and decide to kill a viator within the 1-2 seconds it takes to get into warp to the celestials which are in line with the 4-4? E: I support getting a ship which can use a covert ops cloak. It makes ganking it a lot harder. An added bonus to these ships is that they better align and warp speed then most of the suggested ships while having a decent cargo capacity.
Scrapyard Bob EVE University Ivy League 326	Posted - 2011.11.09 14:07:00 - [53] - Quote Ryuce wrote: E: I support getting a ship which can use a covert ops cloak. It makes ganking it a lot harder. An added bonus to these ships is that they better align and warp speed then most of the suggested ships while having a decent cargo capacity. They would also reward pilots who are at the helm rather then AFK piloting from gate to gate. Of course, if freighters were given 2 low slots, 2 mid slots and 2 rig slots, then you could fit them with Reinforced Bulkheads and a DC2 - for more tank when actively flying from gate to gate.
The Renner Canadian Operations 0	Posted - 2011.11.11 01:42:00 - [54] - Quote If you don't want to get ganked, go with an Orca. Buffer tanked with a MWD means 10 second align time, a ton of EHP, and no way to scan the corp hanger. [Orca] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I 260k ehp

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