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bago'searchtwo
Tarazed Technology
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Posted - 2011.11.02 09:39:00 -
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I'm moving myself to Jita and previously haven't had to worry about suicide ganks. I know it's about to get a lot easier, but atm what would be the best ship to move around 3k max (per trip) in and out of Jita? And how much would it take to suicide gank it? |
Nyla Skin
Pew Pew Corp
Behold.
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Posted - 2011.11.02 10:00:00 -
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Viator with covops cloak. Moves around 10k. You can even put a stab on it for some extra safety and -2k.. |
Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
27
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Posted - 2011.11.02 10:35:00 -
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Everyone can be ganked ... question is 'does it pay off?'
If a ganker scans your load he will decide it the instant he finds something worthwhile.
Create a bookmark 600km+ (better yet 10000km+) from the ejection point of the station and warp there, the instant you undock.
Put your stuff into a container and contract it to yourself (by an alt). This way the contents are double wrapped and not scanable anymore.
If you have high-value items and can use a Transporter, do so.
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
155
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Posted - 2011.11.02 11:55:00 -
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a station |
Lady Ayeipsia
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.11.02 12:19:00 -
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For jita 4 - 4 undock....
Book mark jita planet 4 moon 1. This is an instant undock for the station. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
155
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Posted - 2011.11.02 12:58:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:For jita 4 - 4 undock....
Book mark jita planet 4 moon 1. This is an instant undock for the station.
or just click on the moon itself, its not hard |
Serial Chi
Dust Bunnies 514
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Posted - 2011.11.02 13:24:00 -
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blockade runner, cloak up the instant you come out of the station or jump through the gate and warp. |
Nyla Skin
Pew Pew Corp
Behold.
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Posted - 2011.11.02 13:33:00 -
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Yeah. Getting thru gates is easy with a blockade runner but getting out of station undock without being locked is harder (cause you cant activate the cloak). Instant-warp points help.
If theres no suitable celestial for an instant-warp, take a shuttle, fly it in straight line from the undock for 150+ km and make a bookmark for the insta-warp. |
Bernd dB
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.02 13:53:00 -
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The Volume doesn't really count, it's the value, which is of interest.
As a Jita trader, I guess, you will transport goods of high value, meaning 100M and far more.
The only real and safest possible option is the Orca with it's Corporation Hangar, where no player can scan what's inside and from where nothing will drop. So nearly nobody will risk to gank you for profit and if they want to gank you for fun they need a fleet of more than 10 ships to do so and break the >200k EHP in Hisec.
A freighter might be an option as well, but not for your 3k m3 and especially as the Orca is much faster than a freighter.
So don't waste time and money on Blockade runners or something like this. They are much easier to gank you can't fly afk or be afk a few moments. Many people will tell you, that they are working this way for years, but either they are lucky or they are Alts from the suicide gankers 
Donations for good tipps are welcome :-) |
Lady Ayeipsia
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Cascade Imminent
0
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:04:00 -
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If you are desperate for any overly ranked option, fly a rokh. Put cargo expanders in the lows and for the rigs. For the mods, use.a mix of shield extenders, shield booster, and invuln/photon fields.
My mining rokh could hold 3000+ m3 and had 30k+ ehp. Granted an expensive hauler, but most would not expect a cargo rokh, and well... Many other battleships could be used in a simikar fashion. |
Gavin DeVries
JDI Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.02 15:49:00 -
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As has been stated, if you're in space you can be ganked. So, the best ship to avoid being ganked is a station (don't undock). If that's not an option, the best ship to use is one you DON'T FLY AFK! The Orca and blockade runners are both good options, but have different reasons. The Orca, if you do it correctly, can't be scanned and won't drop anything for the gankers to loot. This removes the economic incentive, but does nothing for deliberate targeting or general ***** and giggles. The Orca is also a whale; it'll take about 40 seconds to get into warp normally, though you can cut this to 10 seconds with fitting and using a MWD. If the gankers really want to kill the Orca, they will in that time frame.
The blockade runners are fast. They align fast, they warp fast, and they have the cloak. None of that will help unless you use it, though. If you forget to turn the cloak on, use autopilot, or just get unlucky you can be caught. It won't take nearly as much damage to kill one, it can be scanned if not cloaked, and everything in it can drop.
Give you're talking about small volume goods, I'd recommend the blockade runner. However, you will need instant undock bookmarks (do NOT use the planet or the moon at Jita, a determined gank group may have others waiting there for you; make your own). Never use auto pilot, never go afk while you're in space, and get into the habit of turning the cloak on as soon as you initiate warp. That's about the best you can do.
PVP is a question with no single right answer, but a lot of wrong ones. |
Zaery Zenn
Griffin Capsuleers
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Posted - 2011.11.02 17:41:00 -
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Covops frig or blockade runner, depending on size, or an orca, with stuff that's only in the corp hangar. |
Sayo Kisuke
RIC RnD Ventures
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Posted - 2011.11.02 19:37:00 -
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For < 10k m3 use a blockade runner. For anything else use a freighter or make a contract to one of the freightering corps. Use instawarps and don't AFK boat w/ 5bil in assets in your freighter! Rule of thumb is 2 bil max imo. |
Persona Nongratus
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.03 01:12:00 -
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Sayo Kisuke wrote:For < 10k m3 use a blockade runner. For anything else use a freighter or make a contract to one of the freightering corps. Use instawarps and don't AFK boat w/ 5bil in assets in your freighter! Rule of thumb is 2 bil max imo.
A question worth contemplating, "What will the new rule of thumb be with the Tier 3 large gun Battlecruisers?" |
Bernd dB
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.03 08:19:00 -
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would imagine T3 BCs will be too expensive for ganking only, so I don't think it will change something. |
Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2011.11.03 08:38:00 -
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Bernd dB wrote:would imagine T3 BCs will be too expensive for ganking only, so I don't think it will change something.
I object. The first few weeks maybe, but I think prices will settle around 40M - 45M per hull |
Bernd dB
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.11.03 09:32:00 -
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?
Cruiser T3 Hull costs approx. 200M ISK and you assume a Battlecruiser T3 will cost the same like BC T1 hull?  |
Elistea
Seedless Inc
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.11.03 09:49:00 -
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Bernd dB wrote:? Cruiser T3 Hull costs approx. 200M ISK and you assume a Battlecruiser T3 will cost the same like BC T1 hull?
*facepalm* |
Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
27
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Posted - 2011.11.03 09:53:00 -
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Bernd dB wrote:? Cruiser T3 Hull costs approx. 200M ISK and you assume a Battlecruiser T3 will cost the same like BC T1 hull?
*double facepalm*
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Bernd dB
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.03 10:00:00 -
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OK and may you be so nice to explain why? |
Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2011.11.03 10:10:00 -
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Bernd dB wrote:OK and may you be so nice to explain why?
The new battle cruiser won't be TECH 3, they will be Tech 1, Tier 3.
The Cyclone is Tier 1
The Hurricane is Tier 2
The Tornado will be Tier 3
The Tech 2 variants of battle cruiser are Command ships. |
Bernd dB
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.03 10:12:00 -
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OK, then I mixed something up. Sorry and thanks for clarification. Still new to eve  |
Elistea
Seedless Inc
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.11.03 10:36:00 -
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Bernd dB wrote:OK and may you be so nice to explain why?
Check eve ship database for difference between Tech 3 and Tier 3
Or better yet, check forums threads for last week... (and try to read a bit before u post something:) |
Bernd dB
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.03 11:20:00 -
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Elistea, maybe you should better follow your own suggestions next time 
Thx Lutz for clarification. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
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Posted - 2011.11.03 12:20:00 -
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[Rokh, BS Hauler]
Damage Control II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Hauls 1900m3
EHP: 185,000
It's going to take about 20 battleships to gank you.
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
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Posted - 2011.11.03 12:43:00 -
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there is no best ship to avoid ganks ,
a dedicated suicide crew can take down even the best tanked haulers and when they got plenty of people online even the toughest jumpfreighter
Your best defense is not to autopilot AFK, NEVER if you got valuable cargo onbpard , a scout is also very use ful or use a orca fitted for agility and speed and use the corp hangar for your valuable cargo , it can't be scanned out and will never drop,
Like i said never fly AFK autopilot and a small pro tip
If you going to jita thru the perimeter systems DO NOT warp straight to the jita gate and jump fky to marausi ( forgrot how it is spelled ) jump and then warp towards jita , nobody ever is on that gate and it is pretty safe and only takes one extra jump
Also create safe undocking points at all your stations you visit most , 9 out of 10 times when i undock from jita 4-4 in a freighter i can warp away instantly as soon i undock
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Bernd dB
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.11.03 13:02:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:There is no best ship
use a orca fitted for agility and speed
Like i said never fly AFK autopilot and a small pro tip
of course there is a best ship, but it's not 100% save!
Fit Orca for agility and speed when you don't fly afk? Why? It doesn't change the time to warp if you fly with 100MN MWD, but it will cost you 60% and more of your EHP if you fit those modules instead of DC2 and Bulkheads. I don't see any sense.
Besides this in >70% I let my Orca fly afk from Dodixie to Jita when I am out for lunch or something like this and have often Cargo in the standard hangar for 500-1B (because 40k is often just not enough). It's just not worthwile and I have never seen enough ganker at one gate to try to gank my Orca when I was flying manually. With DC2 online I have ~230k EHP, far more than Rokh or Freighter and it needs approx. 17 top-skilled gankers in Battleships to have at least a chance to kill me. So far nobody has tried and I am visiting Jita nearly every day, sometimes several visits per day. |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
149
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Posted - 2011.11.03 15:00:00 -
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Bernd dB wrote:pussnheels wrote:use a orca fitted for agility and speed
Like i said never fly AFK autopilot and a small pro tip
Fit Orca for agility and speed when you don't fly afk? Why? It doesn't change the time to warp if you fly with 100MN MWD, but it will cost you 60% and more of your EHP if you fit those modules instead of DC2 and Bulkheads. I don't see any sense. Besides this in >70% I let my Orca fly afk from Dodixie to Jita when I am out for lunch or something like this and have often Cargo in the standard hangar (because 40k is often just not enough). It's just not worthwile and I have never seen enough ganker at one gate to try to gank my Orca when I was flying manually. With DC2 online I have ~230k EHP, far more than Rokh or Freighter. Even though I know, there are enough corps outside, who could kill Orcas easily.
MWD CLOAK tric yes and the extra agility helps to get you aligned faster , , quicker you are away from the gateless chance they will notice you when you are on a busy gate on one of the major trade routes
And don't give me that ehp crap , it will not help you when a group decide to try and gfank you just for the fun of it , and don't even say it doesn't happen because it does happen, i did lose a freighter because i happen to be at the wrong gate at the wrong time
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
coolzero
The Replicators
Northern Associates.
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Posted - 2011.11.03 15:19:00 -
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a anti gank fitted orca will do the trick..
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/30744-Orca-280K-EHP-antigank-hauler.html
put the hot stuff in the corp hanger so it cant be scanned down and if they do manage to gank you it wont drop anything.(wich is the point of a gank anyway..goodies and no goodies = less atractive as gank object :P)
not suitable for low sec :P(unless you want to use it as bait.) |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
10
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Posted - 2011.11.03 15:39:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:a station
NPC station. Orca is pretty good for expensive stuff. Stick it all in the corp hangar or other bays that don't drop when you get popped. You can't prevent ganking, but you can keep it from being profitable.
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