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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1266
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Posted - 2013.10.23 21:30:00 -
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How about we fix some of the laser names too? They have just about the same problem. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Qweasdy
Absolute Massive Destruction Cult of War
7
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Posted - 2013.10.23 22:36:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote: If you are wondering why, basically because it was stupid before and stupid needs to be fixed.
While you're at it can you make drone control units passive... there is quite literally no reason for them to be active... |
David Kir
Statement of Intent
296
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Posted - 2013.10.23 23:33:00 -
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Sweet, now can we have Howitzers renamed "BFG"s and Mega Pulses "PEW PEW LAZORS"? |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Forsak3n.
643
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Posted - 2013.10.24 04:13:00 -
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Eagles, fire on target! I repeat, Eagles, fire on target! It's your last shot, make it your best!
Eagle six, Fox four!
(that's what I always think of when I see your name CCP FoxFour)
Anyway, I much support this. I also had an idea to keep some of the old cool names while still upgrading to a newer naming convention: the words should be in an order such that sorting the items alphabetically automatically sorts them by category and sub-category, with the cool name at the end in single quotes. Here's some examples for ammo:
Ammo, Hybrid S II Blaster Longrange 'Null' Ammo, Hybrid S II Railgun Longrange 'Spike' Ammo, Hybrid L Longrange 'Tungsten' Ammo, Hybrid XL Midrange 'Iridium' Ammo, Laser S Midrange 'Ultraviolet' Ammo, Laser S Shortrange 'Gamma' Ammo, Laser S Shortrange 'Multifrequency' Ammo, Laser S Shortrange 'X-Ray' Ammo, Missile L Thermal 'Cataclysm' Cruise Missile Ammo, Missile M Thermal 'Widowmaker' Heavy Missile Ammo, Missile S Kinetic 'Bloodclaw' Light Missile Ammo, Projectile M Midrange 'Titanium Sabot' Ammo, Projectile M Shortrange 'EMP' Ammo, Projectile M Shortrange 'Fusion' Ammo, Rocket L II Thermal Heavy 'Bane Rage' Torpedo Ammo, Rocket L Kinetic 'Juggernaut' Torpedo Ammo, Rocket L Thermal 'Bane' Torpedo Ammo, Rocket M Kinetic 'Terror' Heavy Assault Missile Ammo, Rocket S EM 'Gremlin' Rocket Ammo, Rocket S Explosive 'Phalanx' Rocket Ammo, Rocket S Thermal 'Foxfire' Rocket Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. |
Yummy Chocolate
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1767
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Posted - 2013.10.24 06:52:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:While we're talking about art assets, maybe the 800s can get some actual barrels inside their rotating cylinders, much like Valkyries have on their guns.
also 220mm autocannons. |
Yummy Chocolate
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1767
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Posted - 2013.10.24 06:54:00 -
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Nicen Jehr wrote:Why do you camel case AutoCannon, I suggest using `Autocannon` everywhere AUTOCANNON ALL THE THINGS |
raawe
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
48
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Posted - 2013.10.24 07:27:00 -
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Why Machine Gun? You just said that you want them to be called AutoCanons. IMO name everything AutoCanon and be done with it :D |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Public Disorder.
602
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Posted - 2013.10.24 07:59:00 -
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This is the first stage of rebalancing and generally fixing HMG's, AR's, and the by extention Heavy and Scout suits...
... What? - Nulla Curas |
Lina Miaoke
Mordu's Military Industrial Command
94
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Posted - 2013.10.24 08:18:00 -
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Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery and all its variations have been renamed as follows:
- Domination Dual 650mm AutoCannon
- Dual 650mm 'Scout' AutoCannon
- Dual 650mm AutoCannon I
- Dual 650mm AutoCannon II
- Dual 650mm Carbine AutoCannon
- Dual 650mm Gallium AutoCannon
- Dual 650mm Prototype AutoCannon
- Gotan's Modified Dual 650mm AutoCannon
- Mizuro's Modified Dual 650mm AutoCannon
- Republic Fleet Dual 650mm AutoCannon
800mm Repeating Artillery and all its variations have been renamed as follows:
- 800mm AutoCannon I
- 800mm AutoCannon II
- 800mm Heavy 'Jolt' AutoCannon
- 800mm Heavy 'Scout' AutoCannon
- 800mm Heavy Carbine AutoCannon
- 800mm Heavy Gallium AutoCannon
- 800mm Heavy Prototype AutoCannon
- Domination 800mm AutoCannon
- Gotan's Modified 800mm AutoCannon
- Mizuro's Modified 800mm AutoCannon
- Republic Fleet 800mm AutoCannon
6x2500mm Repeating AutoCannon and all its variations have been renamed as follows:
- 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium AutoCannon
- 6x2500mm AutoCannon I
Should be more like this. Only Meta 1 and T2 should have I or II next to it's name. Change the names of all guns type group it belongs to would be nice too. |
Dav Varan
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
71
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Posted - 2013.10.24 08:29:00 -
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Lina Miaoke wrote:Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery and all its variations have been renamed as follows:
- Domination Dual 650mm AutoCannon
- Dual 650mm 'Scout' AutoCannon
- Dual 650mm AutoCannon I
- Dual 650mm AutoCannon II
- Dual 650mm Carbine AutoCannon
- Dual 650mm Gallium AutoCannon
- Dual 650mm Prototype AutoCannon
- Gotan's Modified Dual 650mm AutoCannon
- Mizuro's Modified Dual 650mm AutoCannon
- Republic Fleet Dual 650mm AutoCannon
800mm Repeating Artillery and all its variations have been renamed as follows:
- 800mm AutoCannon I
- 800mm AutoCannon II
- 800mm Heavy 'Jolt' AutoCannon
- 800mm Heavy 'Scout' AutoCannon
- 800mm Heavy Carbine AutoCannon
- 800mm Heavy Gallium AutoCannon
- 800mm Heavy Prototype AutoCannon
- Domination 800mm AutoCannon
- Gotan's Modified 800mm AutoCannon
- Mizuro's Modified 800mm AutoCannon
- Republic Fleet 800mm AutoCannon
6x2500mm Repeating AutoCannon and all its variations have been renamed as follows:
- 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium AutoCannon
- 6x2500mm AutoCannon I
Should be more like this. Only Meta 1 and T2 should have I or II next to it's name. Change the names of all guns type group it belongs to would be nice too.
This |
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
759
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Posted - 2013.10.24 08:32:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:This is a very simple change, so I am just going to list out all the changes: Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery and all its variations have been renamed as follows:
- Dual 650mm Carbine Repeating Cannon I
- Dual 650mm Gallium Machine Gun
800mm Repeating Artillery and all its variations have been renamed as follows:
- 800mm Heavy Carbine Repeating Cannon I
- 800mm Heavy Gallium Machine Gun
6x2500mm Repeating AutoCannon and all its variations have been renamed as follows:
- 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Machine Gun
The above don't have AutoCannon in their name...this needs to be consistent if this is the standard to be applied.
I fully support the below regarding I and II additions to the names of items:
Lina Miaoke wrote:Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery and all its variations have been renamed as follows:
- Domination Dual 650mm AutoCannon
- Dual 650mm 'Scout' AutoCannon
- Dual 650mm AutoCannon I
- Dual 650mm AutoCannon II
- Dual 650mm Carbine AutoCannon
- Dual 650mm Gallium AutoCannon
- Dual 650mm Prototype AutoCannon
- Gotan's Modified Dual 650mm AutoCannon
- Mizuro's Modified Dual 650mm AutoCannon
- Republic Fleet Dual 650mm AutoCannon
800mm Repeating Artillery and all its variations have been renamed as follows:
- 800mm AutoCannon I
- 800mm AutoCannon II
- 800mm Heavy 'Jolt' AutoCannon
- 800mm Heavy 'Scout' AutoCannon
- 800mm Heavy Carbine AutoCannon
- 800mm Heavy Gallium AutoCannon
- 800mm Heavy Prototype AutoCannon
- Domination 800mm AutoCannon
- Gotan's Modified 800mm AutoCannon
- Mizuro's Modified 800mm AutoCannon
- Republic Fleet 800mm AutoCannon
6x2500mm Repeating AutoCannon and all its variations have been renamed as follows:
- 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium AutoCannon
- 6x2500mm AutoCannon I
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
597
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Posted - 2013.10.24 09:05:00 -
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Speaking of silly things.
I expect one day you guys review the decision of making the AC-60X and NN-60X implants on same slot.
The one that boost MWD speed only is ALWAYS worse than the speed one.
ITs SILLY. One implant is worthless. Move it to another slot or make it better on some scenario ( yes currently its worse even with an AB ON the ship).
PLease poke someoen thta coudl check that and put a post it on it "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Swiftstrike1
Interfector INC. Fade 2 Black
297
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Posted - 2013.10.24 09:20:00 -
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I saw this mentioned elsewhere recently so I'll bring it up here since it seems reasonable...
Any chance Large weapons with the naming convention "Dual Medium Weaopn" will be changed to use Medium sized ammunition instead of Large ammunition? Fleet Bookmarks New Gravimetric Sites Med Clones 2.0 |
Sparkus Volundar
Applied Creations The Fendahlian Collective
72
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Posted - 2013.10.24 09:30:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote: If you are wondering why, basically because it was stupid before and stupid needs to be fixed.
Let me know if I have missed something in these weapons and their renaming.
Thank you very much for these sensible changes! Although the old names had a fun RP angle (welding rusty M guns together to make L guns), they were confusing for new players and itGÇÖs good to see this.
A related thing I would be grateful if you could consider would be the way the word Javelin is used in very opposite contexts with ammo.
Javelin hybrid charges: For close range with high damage and high tracking*. Javelin missile charges: For longer range with lower damage and worse DRF (plus lower HAM application)*.
* Relative to Faction.
I appreciate that since they are T2 charges it is a different case and more complicated but I would be useful if the disparity could be addressed too.
Thanks for your time, Sparks . |
raawe
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
48
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Posted - 2013.10.24 09:42:00 -
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No Machine Guns plz. It's like you just swapped Repeating Artillery for it. |
Aethlyn
EVE University Ivy League
240
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:05:00 -
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Yep, I prefer Repeating Artillery over Machine Gun any day. The old name also supports the fact that these are essentially smaller artillery turrets grouped together. A machine gun is just a gun with an automated loading mechanism, it says nothing about ist ammo or purpose. Looking for more thoughts? Follow me on Twitter. |
Weasel Leblanc
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:06:00 -
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Swiftstrike1 wrote:I saw this mentioned elsewhere recently so I'll bring it up here since it seems reasonable...
Any chance Large weapons with the naming convention "Dual Medium Weapon" will be changed to use Medium sized ammunition instead of Large ammunition?
Weapons with the same calibre should use the same ammunition, no matter how many barrels they have.
Can you imagine trying to fit an ostrich egg into a double barrelled shotgun? The answer is a bad joke about making omelettes, but that's neither here nor there.
Example: a 650mm Artillery cannon takes medium ammunition, but a dual 650mm Autocannon takes large ammunition. If this were implemented, it would require significant changes to the "dual" guns, in tthe form of either notably higher ROF or a notably higher damage multiplier. This is because ammo of one size has much lower base damage than ammo of the next size up.
It's a neat idea in terms of immersion, but between the ammo damage problem and the market effects of changing the ammo demands of certain gun sizes, it needs careful review. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3173
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:15:00 -
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HiddenPorpoise wrote:Repeating autocannon is a silly name.
This.
It's like saying Automatic Autocannon.
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1513
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:09:00 -
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Texty wrote:Clatita wrote:I admit that it is not "idiot"-proof but I actually liked eve when it wasn't ... CCP is now only working on making everything more ... well ... "idiot"-proof. Reorganising skills, changing a lot of names on things (siege launchers => torpedo launcher ... because omg it's soooo hard to remember that torpedoes will be launched from siege launchers), "rebalancing" ships (many of the ships were actually pretty useful the way they were even if they were not the last tier) and so on ...
Basically this game is getting more and more "******"-friendly (to change the term a bit.) CCP Ytterbium wrote:Don't you think changing skill names is "dumbing the game down"?
- EVE gameplay and sense of loss should be harsh, dark and unforgiving, in that there is no doubt and we agree completely. However, fighting the UI at every turn should not be the main complexity point here - it just means players have become used to an old and outdated interface for too long. Simply put, the hard and unforgiving nature of EVE should not be to retrieve information on a basic level, it should be on how players act based on that information and interact with the gameplay that revolves around it.
( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3301378#post3301378) the names of items are not part of the UI; they are part of the game world. same goes for the names of skills (and arguably skill categories), recalling scanner probes (which should not happen automatically and instantly), agent types (which should never have been streamlined into security, mining and distribution) and so on.
i agree with the statement that players should not fight against the UI, but the UI is only the set of tools that helps you interact with the game world, not part of it. if i wanted to play in a boring, straightforward game universe, i'be still sitting in WoW, punching pandas and pushing my itemlevel.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
798
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:13:00 -
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Weasel Leblanc wrote:If this were implemented, it would require significant changes to the "dual" guns, in tthe form of either notably higher ROF or a notably higher damage multiplier. This is because ammo of one size has much lower base damage than ammo of the next size up.
It's a neat idea in terms of immersion, but between the ammo damage problem and the market effects of changing the ammo demands of certain gun sizes, it needs careful review.
Logically, the dual guns would chew through bullets two at a time, for double damage. Higher ROF would be a logical way to compensate for any remaining difference. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
552
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:32:00 -
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Tbh I've seen nothing wrong with repeating artillery. It have never really confused me. And if you could actually find some spare resources and make built-in fitting tool no worse than EFT/PYFA/EVEHQ, there would be no confusion for newbros whatsoever, what's with readily available categories and stuff.
Anyways, do what you believe you must do, but remember that turning in-game stuff into meta and replacing actual item names with nicknames used within community is rather counterproductive to your intention, I believe. |
M1k3y Koontz
Thorn Project Surely You're Joking
370
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:12:00 -
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This makes a lot of sense actually... How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
Benito Arias
Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
19
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:55:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:the names of items are not part of the UI; they are part of the game world. same goes for the names of skills (and arguably skill categories), recalling scanner probes (which should not happen automatically and instantly), agent types (which should never have been streamlined into security, mining and distribution) and so on. True. Those little changes have been making the world of EVE a little more boing.
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ArcticPrism
Bondage Goat Zombie Strictly Unprofessional
10
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:55:00 -
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Clatita wrote:
They were called repeating artillery because they were basically smaller sized artillery (hence "artillery") which were shooting very fast (hence "repeating") and to make them shoot faster you need more CPU / PG.
I like repeating artillery. It sounds a lot cooler than autocannon. Also the explanation above. |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
374
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:42:00 -
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ArcticPrism wrote:Clatita wrote:
They were called repeating artillery because they were basically smaller sized artillery (hence "artillery") which were shooting very fast (hence "repeating") and to make them shoot faster you need more CPU / PG.
I like repeating artillery. It sounds a lot cooler than autocannon. Also the explanation above.
so in that sense u prefer repeating rifle rather than machine gun right? |
Major Killz
La Fraternite
259
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:08:00 -
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We can always count on CCP to correct "REAL" issues in game... - Killz
Combat Log: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos - Pantaloon II: Violins (Jun 23, 2013) |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
480
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:50:00 -
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Yet another change that nobody has complained about, another bit of immersion gone. The desire to understand and learn is a big part of the eve experience especially for noobs, we're all slightly poorer because of things like this.
Cold gas arcjet thrusters forever... Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Tlat Ij
Hedion University Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2013.10.25 00:47:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Cold gas arcjet thrusters forever... They better not touch the Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron even though the name makes no goddamn sense because its the best named item in the game now. |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
397
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Posted - 2013.10.25 00:49:00 -
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Major Killz wrote:We can always count on CCP to correct "REAL" issues in game... Waiting for my 650mm "machine gun". I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Utremi Fasolasi
The Scope Gallente Federation
291
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Posted - 2013.10.25 01:38:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote: Awesomesauce
YAY Foxfour is back with his super vorpal sword of logic and justice! |
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