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Shivanthar
Thrilling Institution of TaTas Permanent Mental Syndrome
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Posted - 2013.10.25 05:59:00 -
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HiddenPorpoise wrote:Repeating autocannon is a silly name.
     I love to start a workday with this kind of short, but hilarious comment!   |

Shivanthar
Thrilling Institution of TaTas Permanent Mental Syndrome
41
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Posted - 2013.10.25 06:12:00 -
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Swiftstrike1 wrote:I saw this mentioned elsewhere recently so I'll bring it up here since it seems reasonable...
Any chance Large weapons with the naming convention "Dual Medium Weapon" will be changed to use Medium sized ammunition instead of Large ammunition?
Weapons with the same calibre should use the same ammunition, no matter how many barrels they have.
Can you imagine trying to fit an ostrich egg into a double barrelled shotgun? The answer is a bad joke about making omelettes, but that's neither here nor there.
Example: a 650mm Artillery cannon takes medium ammunition, but a dual 650mm Autocannon takes large ammunition.
Excellent point!
They've an extremely futuristic system of cutting ammo in the half during firing :P Huh! Buy once, use twice! ^.^
Also, this will also lead to a tracking discussion, where a huge powered battleship will have much more power to feed their turrets' internal tracking engine than their Cruiser and BC counterparts. Turning one more barrel shouldn't drop tracking that much in this case. |

Shivanthar
Thrilling Institution of TaTas Permanent Mental Syndrome
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Posted - 2013.10.25 06:18:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:HiddenPorpoise wrote:Repeating autocannon is a silly name. This. It's like saying Automatic Autocannon.
  
We have Minmatar here! :D They first implemented a cannon, shooting once, then they implemented autocannon, which was also shooting once :P Nowadays, I am using repeating autocannons, which also shoot once, but the guys working on that compartment are so experienced and got faster every other day that they convinced opposition in a way that their ship is actually using "autocannons" :P
(Shhh! I actually hired two personel in a space of one, illegally, showing 1 on the paper and just trying to pay only one's tax!) |

Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
880
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Posted - 2013.10.25 06:19:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Yet another change that nobody has complained about, another bit of immersion gone. The desire to understand and learn is a big part of the eve experience especially for noobs, we're all slightly poorer because of things like this.
Cold gas arcjet thrusters forever...
I remember Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters. I was disappointed when CCP saw fit to rename them. What a terrible day that was.
Shame on you, CCP.
We have Meta Levels to tell us which one is better or not. |

Marcus Gord
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
25660
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:17:00 -
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The repeating artillery bit made sense to me.
The 800mm is a huge gun. THIS is an 800mm shell in the real world, on the left of the pic. Next to is is a Soviet T34-85. It's at the Imperial War Museum, London, England, and was used by two WW2 era German railway guns.
You can't tell me that's not artillery, it's massive! It fires quickly, so it's repeating! The 800mm Repeating Artillery is even dual barrelled to facilitate repeating. You can't take the sky from me
"Demons run when a good man goes to war...." |

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2013.10.25 13:12:00 -
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Why has it to be all clear? I think that even if the names says Artillery, people know one learn to know what a real artillery is and what not. Why has it always to be baby-prove?
That said: I dislike the changes and advocate to leave the names as is. The new names dull the game down and absolutely lack the bang a 800mm Repeating Artillery has, as an example. Unification of all the things is imo not a good idea here. |

Arcos Vandymion
The Advent of Faith Standing United.
20
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Posted - 2013.10.29 12:13:00 -
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Laser renaming.
NOW! |

Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.10.29 13:41:00 -
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Yeaah I'll have to agree here. "800mm repeating artillery" has way more punch than "800mm autocannon".
Same as "VM-15 Braced Multispectral Deflection Matrix" sounded way more awesome than "Limited Invulnerability Field I"
While the last was confusing, let's keep at least some awesomeness feeling to names. Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Covert pilots unite! Safer working conditions, less accidental limb loss due to unfortunate Cyno accidents! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258986 |

WInter Borne
Cold Station 12 Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2013.10.29 22:17:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:This is a very simple change, so I am just going to list out all the changes: 6x2500mm Repeating AutoCannon and all its variations have been renamed as follows:
- 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Machine Gun
- 6x2500mm AutoCannon I
There is something just not right about a 6 barreled machine gun firing 2500mm slugs... |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
622
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Posted - 2013.10.30 09:30:00 -
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WInter Borne wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:This is a very simple change, so I am just going to list out all the changes: 6x2500mm Repeating AutoCannon and all its variations have been renamed as follows:
- 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Machine Gun
- 6x2500mm AutoCannon I
There is something just not right about a 6 barreled machine gun firing 2500mm slugs...
Agree!
CCP made a horrible work here.
THey are throwing away the FLAVOR.. again for HOMOGENIZATION!!
When did the cool game designers andengineers were replaced by lawyers and administration personal?
Hint.. we do not like that TREND!!!
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
82
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Posted - 2013.10.30 11:55:00 -
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Can we maybe get another opinion of the responsible dev on this? Something apart from ignorance of the topic you brought up? We currently have a nice and lovely downtime. What are devs doing that have nothing better to than to rename fully and properly functional game material around on a whim? |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
622
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:29:00 -
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Utremi Fasolasi wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote: Awesomesauce YAY Foxfour is back with his super vorpal sword of logic and justice!
Because machine guns with bullets the sizer of a car are incredbly logical....
repeatign artiliary was an INCREDLBE and LOGICAL name. Now destroyed. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Pliskkenn
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.30 21:56:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote:Yeaah I'll have to agree here. "800mm repeating artillery" has way more punch than "800mm autocannon".
Same as "VM-15 Braced Multispectral Deflection Matrix" sounded way more awesome than "Limited Invulnerability Field I"
While the last was confusing, let's keep at least some awesomeness feeling to names.
It would be quite cool if they were kept in some flavour text.
Like an extra bit under the description. |

Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
553
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Posted - 2013.10.31 05:20:00 -
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I've browsed through this thread only to realize just how many cool names were thrown away. |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2013.11.01 09:02:00 -
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By general feel of repsosnes, this was a BAD CCP move, once again, administrative mindset over gamers mindset, factory standards over art, homogenization over being interesting.
Bland... vs colored.... "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Ezekiel Jackson
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.11.01 09:42:00 -
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and yet another nerf to Minmatar |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2013.11.01 10:42:00 -
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Ezekiel Jackson wrote:and yet another nerf to Minmatar
Be ready.. next in list they wil make the naglfar horizontal, to make it more analogous to the other races ship and not confuse new players..... "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
185
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Posted - 2013.11.01 12:48:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:By general feel of repsosnes, this was a BAD CCP move, once again, administrative mindset over gamers mindset, factory standards over art, homogenization over being interesting.
Bland... vs colored.... I'd say it's more likely that the majority of players read the idea, think "Well... duh, that's an obvious change that needs to be made" and move on without bothering to comment. This isn't homogenization, it's removal of misleading language. Don't put the word "artillery" into an autocannon, just like you wouldn't put the word "blaster" into a railgun, or "afterburner" into an MWD.
My only complaint is about the CamelCase. Ew. |

Brian VNF
ACME-INC
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:58:00 -
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What about the aptly named meta 4 pulses?
"Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I"
(this applies to all sizes).
one would have a hard time understanding wtf they are without looking at the stats or market categories. |

Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:06:00 -
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Brian VNF wrote:What about the aptly named meta 4 pulses?
"Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I"
(this applies to all sizes).
one would have a hard time understanding wtf they are without looking at the stats or market categories. Good catch. FoxFour? :) |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:21:00 -
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Zor'katar wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:By general feel of repsosnes, this was a BAD CCP move, once again, administrative mindset over gamers mindset, factory standards over art, homogenization over being interesting.
Bland... vs colored.... I'd say it's more likely that the majority of players read the idea, think "Well... duh, that's an obvious change that needs to be made" and move on without bothering to comment. This isn't homogenization, it's removal of misleading language. Don't put the word "artillery" into an autocannon, just like you wouldn't put the word "blaster" into a railgun, or "afterburner" into an MWD. My only complaint is about the CamelCase. Ew.
Do not call machine gun something that is NOT a machien gun. Anythign over 14mm is never called a machine gun! No matter how fast they fire! "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
85
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:56:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Do not call machine gun something that is NOT a machien gun. Anythign over 14mm is never called a machine gun! No matter how fast they fire!
It's not the size of the bullets that define what a machine gun is, it's the firing and loading mechanisms, and these can be scaled up.
Brian VNF wrote:What about the aptly named meta 4 pulses?
"Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I"
(this applies to all sizes).
one would have a hard time understanding wtf they are without looking at the stats or market categories.
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Pulse Laser I ... really? Moreover, they have a PULSE in the name already. What is so hard to understand there?
And still no new input from FoxFour?
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Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
185
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Posted - 2013.11.01 15:18:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Do not call machine gun something that is NOT a machien gun. Anythign over 14mm is never called a machine gun! No matter how fast they fire! This game has a class of weapons that are officially and technically called Artillery. It has a separate class of weapons that are officially and technically called Autocannons. These are useful distinctions for setting base expectations for what the weapons do and what skills they require. Don't put the word "artillery" into a weapon that is technically an autocannon, and don't put the word "autocannon" into a weapon that is technically artillery. Beyond that, I don't really care if you want to call them "machine guns" or "death cannons" or "Super Fantastic Automated Pony Launchers". We just don't need names that specifically mislead people into thinking a weapon is a different class than it really is. |

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2013.11.01 15:34:00 -
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Zor'katar wrote:We just don't need names that specifically mislead people into thinking a weapon is a different class than it really is.
We don't? Up until now no one had an issue with that. |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2013.11.01 15:43:00 -
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Zor'katar wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Do not call machine gun something that is NOT a machien gun. Anythign over 14mm is never called a machine gun! No matter how fast they fire! This game has a class of weapons that are officially and technically called Artillery. It has a separate class of weapons that are officially and technically called Autocannons. These are useful distinctions for setting base expectations for what the weapons do and what skills they require. Don't put the word "artillery" into a weapon that is technically an autocannon, and don't put the word "autocannon" into a weapon that is technically artillery. Beyond that, I don't really care if you want to call them "machine guns" or "death cannons" or "Super Fantastic Automated Pony Launchers". We just don't need names that specifically mislead people into thinking a weapon is a different class than it really is.
if you can get confused by that.. I pity you.. and surely you are someone that should not emit opinions over anythign if you are so chalanged taht you can get confused by that. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
185
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:03:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:if you can get confused by that.. I pity you.. and surely you are someone that should not emit opinions over anythign if you are so chalanged taht you can get confused by that. Why? If an object at first glance could be A or B, and has A in its name, why is it so hard to believe that people will guess that it's A? Do a little forum sleuthing and you'll be able to find multiple cases where that's happened. (No, I'm not going to do your homework for you.) |

Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
185
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:03:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:We don't? Up until now no one had an issue with that. Sure they have. That's why it's now being addressed. |

MDKIndy
Drangwaesche
0
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Posted - 2013.11.02 22:46:00 -
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AutoCannon, Repeating Cannon, Machine Gun, Automatic Cannon
Why you change a old name disarrangement whit a new name disarrangement??? Why all AutoCannon cant name simply AutoCannon???
I have it adjust for you:
- Domination Dual 650mm AutoCannon
- Dual 650mm 'Scout' AutoCannon
- Dual 650mm AutoCannon I
- Dual 650mm AutoCannon II
- Dual 650mm Carbine AutoCannon
- Dual 650mm Gallium AutoCannon
- Dual 650mm Prototype AutoCannon
- Gotan's Modified Dual 650mm AutoCannon
- Mizuro's Modified Dual 650mm AutoCannon
- Republic Fleet Dual 650mm AutoCannon
800mm Repeating Artillery and all its variations have been renamed as follows:
- 800mm AutoCannon I
- 800mm AutoCannon II
- 800mm Heavy 'Jolt' AutoCannon
- 800mm Heavy 'Scout' AutoCannon
- 800mm Heavy Carbine AutoCannon
- 800mm Heavy Gallium AutoCannon
- 800mm Heavy Prototype AutoCannon
- Domination 800mm AutoCannon
- Gotan's Modified 800mm AutoCannon
- Mizuro's Modified 800mm AutoCannon
- Republic Fleet 800mm AutoCannon
6x2500mm Repeating AutoCannon and all its variations have been renamed as follows:
- 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium AutoCannon
- 6x2500mm AutoCannon I
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4298
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Posted - 2013.11.03 03:28:00 -
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Well it was Artillery ... just ... dual ...
650mm ... a medium sized Artillery ... but 2x ...
I fail to see the point of this change.
Dual Artillery sounded awesome too.
You've overshort there, CCP FoxFour. |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4298
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Posted - 2013.11.03 03:29:00 -
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Zor'katar wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:We don't? Up until now no one had an issue with that. Sure they have. That's why it's now being addressed. No. She noticed it and believed it should be streamlined.
Which makes sense in it's own way, but still sucks and isn't necessary. |
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