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visitante inferno Knights of Shame 11	Posted - 2013.10.24 01:28:00 - [1] - Quote Hello all, Recently I bought a 3d printer and I have gotten pretty good with some CAD programs. I have been able to recover all the ship in game. heres my question: 1. Is there any known portion of the EULA that anybody knows about that would keep me from producing these models and selling them? Obviously I wouldn't claim them as my own design, all the credit would go to eve. and I also wouldn't credit them as being legit pieces from ccp. I have seen some on ebay but they are cheep cardboard piece together that look just worthless. 2. I know of a load of people that have wanted to get there hands on some model ships, If I were to print some out they would be made with abs plastic and only the highest quality ones would make it for shipment. in addition they would be hand painted to match the paint job of any ship in the game. would people be interested in purchasing some of these? curious on the answer. if you have reference to the eula please post it as well.
Iudicium Vastus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 102	Posted - 2013.10.24 01:32:00 - [2] - Quote Would you also offer non-painted ones for a lower price point for those of us who like painting ourselves. As for EULA stuff, I have no idea. Though I have seen some EVE fan made merchandise sell for quite a long while like EVE decals and racial cufflinks and pins.
visitante inferno Knights of Shame 11	Posted - 2013.10.24 01:47:00 - [3] - Quote Iudicium Vastus wrote: Would you also offer non-painted ones for a lower price point for those of us who like painting ourselves. As for EULA stuff, I have no idea. Though I have seen some EVE fan made merchandise sell for quite a long while like EVE decals and racial cufflinks and pins. Yes I would offer non painted models at a significantly reduced price as the painting is what would take the most time other then the model editing to prep for printing. In addition to that I would make custom paint jobs available to people who can provide a proper layout and template for creation. Also, I would be able to customize the size to a reasonable amount. I wont be able to make "miniatures" but once I print a couple of these off I will know the exact size to still be able to get the best detail. however bigger models like the three foot models will obviously be more expensive(like the 3 foot model of a titan ill be making for myself lol). and I'm working on non pieced together ships for model making like the old car models you used to be able to find. The average model size will be around 210x190x140 which will vary depending on the dimensions of the specific ship.
Mr. Orange Band of Freelancers 296	Posted - 2013.10.24 01:59:00 - [4] - Quote CCP lawyers are coming for you.
Iudicium Vastus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 102	Posted - 2013.10.24 02:04:00 - [5] - Quote Mr. Orange wrote: CCP lawyers are coming for you. Couldn't he just maybe then switch to selling GTCs for high prices with the "Bonus" ship model for "Free"
Rich Uncle PennyBags EVE Online Monopoly 62	Posted - 2013.10.24 02:05:00 - [6] - Quote EULA does say that you cant use the eve IP for your own profit, but it is a very grey area. CCP are pretty loose with it. File a support ticket and ask a GM, you'll probably want to get it escalated to a senior. If you can get a decent looking model, I'd be interested in what you've got.
Iudicium Vastus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 102	Posted - 2013.10.24 02:13:00 - [7] - Quote Rich Uncle PennyBags wrote: EULA does say that you cant use the eve IP for your own profit, but it is a very grey area. CCP are pretty loose with it. File a support ticket and ask a GM, you'll probably want to get it escalated to a senior. If you can get a decent looking model, I'd be interested in what you've got. Yeah, each corp or publisher is different, but in the general scheme of things they're usually pretty hands-off with fandom made things. It just becomes a noticeable problem to them if you claim to own it as an original design, claim to be officially affiliated or representing the designer/publishers, or start to make huge amounts of profit. But with other sci-fi, fantasy, anime, video game fandoms, I've barely seen any hobbyist making some spare money on the side get targeted. Just not worth the paperwork (and bad PR) trouble for them.
visitante inferno Knights of Shame 11	Posted - 2013.10.24 02:22:00 - [8] - Quote im sure ccp would gladly issue a cease and assist letter before doing anything too rash
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 6533	Posted - 2013.10.24 02:45:00 - [9] - Quote I once made my own Domi model and flew it around the house...until my wife made me bring it back in the kitchen and peel it for dinner. If I had ever sold that potato for ISK, I would have been banned. Damn you CCP, that Domi was delicious. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
IDGAD Get in the van I have candy. 23	Posted - 2013.10.24 04:02:00 - [10] - Quote If you get good enough at it, research heavily into your options of starting a small business / working with selling on amazon/etc and then work as a contractor for CCP. I mean let's face it, they let musterbrand which is terribad manage their new EVE store, so you should be able to make something worth them endorsing.
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3333	Posted - 2013.10.24 04:07:00 - [11] - Quote Anything is legit as long as you raffle it off I guess.
visitante inferno Knights of Shame 12	Posted - 2013.10.24 09:30:00 - [12] - Quote okay so my next question. how much would people be willing to pay for these? I was thinking about $50 for a standard not painted one that fits within the 210x190x140 and about $150-250 (depending on the paint detail) for painted ones.
Violet Crumble Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.10.24 11:19:00 - [13] - Quote visitante inferno wrote: im sure ccp would gladly issue a cease and assist letter before doing anything too rash Cease and assist? What are they going to assist with? As to the original question, internet lawyering is worth as much as you pay for it, but I'll give it a go anyway. Don't even bother with the EULA, unless it explicity allows this type of thing (which it doesn't). The intellectual property belongs to CCP and I think if they wanted to take action, you'd have a fairly hard time arguing fair use.
Ptraci 3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel 1380	Posted - 2013.10.24 11:19:00 - [14] - Quote visitante inferno wrote: 1. Is there any known portion of the EULA that anybody knows about that would keep me from producing these models and selling them? No, because that is what copyright law is for. Now legally no one can prevent you from making a copy for yourself at home. However if you started selling them/giving them away to other people, CCP lawyers could legally come down on you like a ton of bricks. I'm sure this could be applied to any file containing the copyrighted design if you're distributing it to others so they can print it on their 3D printers. Said file is a much more obvious violation than say, a .torrent file, yet .torrent site owners have still been nailed to the wall. Of course the author himself can always give you permission to duplicate his work if he feels like it and you ask nicely.
Seetesh Station Window Lickers 83	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:28:00 - [15] - Quote If you ever offered this service I would snap up dozens, ideally if you could offer them somewhat scaled between classes.

CCP Falcon 4330	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:03:00 - [16] - Quote Unfortunately you're not able to 3D print them and sell them for profit, as the 3D models themselves are part of CCP's intellectual property and can't be produced or sold without authorization from CCP. 3D printing is pretty cool though, and I'd love to eventually see cool stuffs being printed and distributed. Your best bet is to fire a mail off to [email protected], and speak with us regarding what is and isn't possible with regards to IP law. CCP Falcon -á \|\| -á EVE Community Team -á \|\| -á EVE Illuminati -á \|\| -á Live Events Organizer @CCP_Falcon -á \|\| -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents

Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Turing Tested 926	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:11:00 - [17] - Quote I can honestly I say Not only would I pay to have scale models and know others who would I would happily write a set of easy-to-play table top rules to go along with them High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 510	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:17:00 - [18] - Quote Should have kept this one to yourself. CCP just bought 10 printers.
Arline Kley PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 191	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:18:00 - [19] - Quote A shame there isn't a printer big enough to make a 1:1 scale Harbi yet.. Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows
oOReikaOo Michiko Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement 165	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:22:00 - [20] - Quote Hyperion metal model? SHUTUP AND TAKE MAI MONIES
Posting From Underbridge Hedion University Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:28:00 - [21] - Quote How do you manage to direct what amounts to a CNC machine without appropriate grammar?
Crasniya Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement 312	Posted - 2013.10.24 14:33:00 - [22] - Quote You could give us all the STL files for free though. ;) CCP: Does "can't sell for profit" means he could sell for cost of materials only? You know, "I'm just selling this lump of ABS plastic, and any resemblance to designs trademarked or copyrighted is purely coincidental"?
visitante inferno Knights of Shame 12	Posted - 2013.10.24 16:14:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Unfortunately you're not able to 3D print them and sell them for profit, as the 3D models themselves are part of CCP's intellectual property and can't be produced or sold without authorization from CCP. 3D printing is pretty cool though, and I'd love to eventually see cool stuffs being printed and distributed. Your best bet is to fire a mail off to [email protected], and speak with us regarding what is and isn't possible with regards to IP law. I will be contacting them. maybe we can work something out.
visitante inferno Knights of Shame 12	Posted - 2013.10.24 16:16:00 - [24] - Quote I'm not telling anybody to eve mail me with there personal email address. lol
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Turing Tested 935	Posted - 2013.10.24 16:18:00 - [25] - Quote visitante inferno wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Unfortunately you're not able to 3D print them and sell them for profit, as the 3D models themselves are part of CCP's intellectual property and can't be produced or sold without authorization from CCP. 3D printing is pretty cool though, and I'd love to eventually see cool stuffs being printed and distributed. Your best bet is to fire a mail off to [email protected], and speak with us regarding what is and isn't possible with regards to IP law. I will be contacting them. maybe we can work something out. My offer to be included in this in return for toy spaceships still stands High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh
oOReikaOo Michiko Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement 165	Posted - 2013.10.24 16:31:00 - [26] - Quote Create a startup .. ill toss my chips in
Alexa Coates Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC 682	Posted - 2013.10.24 16:38:00 - [27] - Quote If you made them for free then I don't think ccp would have a problem, creative license and all that. I'm sure if you worked out a deal that gives ccp some profit, like 70% for you, 30% to ccp or whatever then they'll probably let you sell them. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
visitante inferno Knights of Shame 12	Posted - 2013.10.24 16:40:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Unfortunately you're not able to 3D print them and sell them for profit, as the 3D models themselves are part of CCP's intellectual property and can't be produced or sold without authorization from CCP. 3D printing is pretty cool though, and I'd love to eventually see cool stuffs being printed and distributed. Your best bet is to fire a mail off to [email protected], and speak with us regarding what is and isn't possible with regards to IP law. I shot an email to that address requesting permission to possible start up an amazon store and having a percentage of my profits go to CCP. Now awaiting a response.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Turing Tested 935	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:08:00 - [29] - Quote visitante inferno wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Unfortunately you're not able to 3D print them and sell them for profit, as the 3D models themselves are part of CCP's intellectual property and can't be produced or sold without authorization from CCP. 3D printing is pretty cool though, and I'd love to eventually see cool stuffs being printed and distributed. Your best bet is to fire a mail off to [email protected], and speak with us regarding what is and isn't possible with regards to IP law. I shot an email to that address requesting permission to possible start up an amazon store and having a percentage of my profits go to CCP. Now awaiting a response. If you DO get a go-ahead, Id genuinely like to offer my services as a miniatures painter High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh
Narcotic Gryffin Bombin Busch Wookies 7	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:11:00 - [30] - Quote I'll take an Ashimmu, Full size not model sized with working warp drive please. Surely you can 3d print the Warp Drive.
Noddy Comet Lysdexic Agnostics - Thier is no Dog 95	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:13:00 - [31] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Unfortunately you're not able to 3D print them and sell them for profit, as the 3D models themselves are part of CCP's intellectual property and can't be produced or sold without authorization from CCP. 3D printing is pretty cool though, and I'd love to eventually see cool stuffs being printed and distributed. Your best bet is to fire a mail off to [email protected], and speak with us regarding what is and isn't possible with regards to IP law. Do you guys ever sit back and look at the number of threads and posts of players requesting ANY access to getting ship models and consider calculating the tons of cash you are throwing away by no longer selling them in the EvE store??
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Turing Tested 936	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:20:00 - [32] - Quote Narcotic Gryffin wrote: I'll take an Ashimmu, Full size not model sized with working warp drive please. Surely you can 3d print the Warp Drive. Me too Make sure the exsanguitators and flesh-sluices are still installed though Too many of them on the market with the useful parts of the ship removed High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh
Arduemont 12 pound opinion 2242	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:21:00 - [33] - Quote I would probably pay for that **. Especially if they were solid models. None of that hollow **. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
visitante inferno Knights of Shame 12	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:22:00 - [34] - Quote Arduemont wrote: I would probably pay for that **. Especially if they were solid models. None of that hollow **. yes they will in fact be solid ABS or PLA plastic
oOReikaOo Michiko Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement 165	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:51:00 - [35] - Quote Abbanon ... um... all 4 titans ... um... shoot just take my paycheck and give me them all !
oOReikaOo Michiko Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement 165	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:52:00 - [36] - Quote oOReikaOo Michiko wrote: Abaddon ... um... all 4 titans ... um... shoot just take my paycheck and give me them all !
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4787	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:13:00 - [37] - Quote Noddy Comet wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Unfortunately you're not able to 3D print them and sell them for profit, as the 3D models themselves are part of CCP's intellectual property and can't be produced or sold without authorization from CCP. 3D printing is pretty cool though, and I'd love to eventually see cool stuffs being printed and distributed. Your best bet is to fire a mail off to [email protected], and speak with us regarding what is and isn't possible with regards to IP law. Do you guys ever sit back and look at the number of threads and posts of players requesting ANY access to getting ship models and consider calculating the tons of cash you are throwing away by no longer selling them in the EvE store?? The ship models they had for sale in the EVE store were certainly very cool, however I don't think they sold well. Mostly because they were very expensive and if I remember correctly, shipping costs were absolutely astronomical. A lower cost version light enough to be shipped world wide economically might just fit the bill, particularly if an unpainted version was that inexpensive. A lot of people would like to paint them in their favorite color scheme. Oh, if CCP would issue a color chart corresponding with their established corp color schemes, perhaps even with the equivalent color name from popular model paint lines... Paladin paint by numbers kit anyone? To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4789	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:17:00 - [38] - Quote I also wouldn't rule out a hollow version that you glue/snap together... for those that like to trick out their special models with LED's or fiber optics. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Turing Tested 939	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:19:00 - [39] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Oh, if CCP would issue a color chart corresponding with their established corp color schemes, perhaps even with the equivalent color name from popular model paint lines... Paladin paint by numbers kit anyone? Even if I couldnt get in on the ground floor, Id still happily offer a custom painting service Special discount rates if you want Covenant schemes :D High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh
visitante inferno Knights of Shame 12	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:26:00 - [40] - Quote im actually pretty good at the painting tbh and I dont think the miniatures will be possible due to the resolution of the printer. there wouldnt be much detail left...
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Turing Tested 962	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:28:00 - [41] - Quote visitante inferno wrote: im actually pretty good at the painting tbh Yes but youll need help filling out all the orders High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh
Castelo Selva Selva Brasil Moon Warriors 42	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:57:00 - [42] - Quote I would pay for several ships, without any doubts. Brutix, Manticore, Deimos, Kronos, Paladin, Raven Navy (I have the old CCP model for that), and so on. I really do not know why CCP do not do it for itself, but since CCP stop it, I will happy buy it from you. If you want to proceed with that intent, fell free to contact me and we can make an arrangement. Moreover, yes, I want it already painted :) Thank you. Castelo
Tron 3K Ship Spinning Industries 147	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:03:00 - [43] - Quote Do not make them plastic! They need to be molded out of something other than cheap ****.. How expensive were the ones they were selling? I don't know the logistics or anything but I couldn't see each model being more than $50 bucks if done right and depending on the size. (if they were around this price how didn't they sell?!) I'd love to collect some ships and have them sitting on my shelves and desk!
oOReikaOo Michiko Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement 165	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:15:00 - [44] - Quote Tron 3K wrote: Do not make them plastic! They need to be molded out of something other than cheap ****.. How expensive were the ones they were selling? I don't know the logistics or anything but I couldn't see each model being more than $50 bucks if done right and depending on the size. (if they were around this price how didn't they sell?!) I'd love to collect some ships and have them sitting on my shelves and desk! Hard plastic , the stuff they used to make the real models, is thick and as heavy as metal, feels kinda like it in a way too.
Lloyd Roses Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 288	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:19:00 - [45] - Quote I'd like a typhoon-shaped thermocan and a torch formed like a cyclone! And as long as you can print out a positive, can use that right away to create a negative to make your own tabletop rifter army? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=288823&find=unread - Looking for a handful of well-versed EU pilots. Especially interested in hyperactive dscanners.
Castelo Selva Selva Brasil Moon Warriors 42	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:46:00 - [46] - Quote oOReikaOo Michiko wrote: Hard plastic, the stuff they used to make the real models, is thick and as heavy as metal, feels kinda like it in a way too. The hard plastic CCP used at the old models that was selled at eve-store are good ones. I have a Raven Navy model witch are nice. A bit fragile ate the spike and antennas but still very good. Looking at it, remember me that a stand / pedestal to put and display it is also a nice addition if possible. There are some picture around that show it, just google for it. Also, thank you again. Castelo
visitante inferno Knights of Shame 13	Posted - 2013.10.27 00:49:00 - [47] - Quote please be at ease. the plastics are not by at any means fragile. great example here: have you ever stepped on a lego? it hurtsd your foot but doesnt break the lego. legs are made out of abs plastic. these two choices are not the only one as they are researching into more materials. which I hope to get my hand on some time soon.
Castelo Selva Selva Brasil Moon Warriors 42	Posted - 2013.11.13 11:12:00 - [48] - Quote Hi my friend, Any News on that front? I still want some ships models! Do not be shy and make it to us. I will not give up. Castelo
Penguinizer Illat Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.11.13 11:54:00 - [49] - Quote Personally, I kinda want a Tempest model made of Resin. Although some thin parts might be problematic for it though.
Skarsnik DarkArch Corp 2	Posted - 2013.11.13 12:41:00 - [50] - Quote All I'll say on this front is...... Eve Large Sized Chess Set In 1. Caldari vs Gal 2. Amarr vs Minnies Make it happen

CCP Falcon 4502	Posted - 2013.11.13 13:02:00 - [51] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Noddy Comet wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Unfortunately you're not able to 3D print them and sell them for profit, as the 3D models themselves are part of CCP's intellectual property and can't be produced or sold without authorization from CCP. 3D printing is pretty cool though, and I'd love to eventually see cool stuffs being printed and distributed. Your best bet is to fire a mail off to [email protected], and speak with us regarding what is and isn't possible with regards to IP law. Do you guys ever sit back and look at the number of threads and posts of players requesting ANY access to getting ship models and consider calculating the tons of cash you are throwing away by no longer selling them in the EvE store?? The ship models they had for sale in the EVE store were certainly very cool, however I don't think they sold well. Mostly because they were very expensive and if I remember correctly, shipping costs were absolutely astronomical. Pretty much this, the shipping was the main issue for most people. We know how much people loved the battleship models we used to have, and have considered various options, however right now we're not in a position to offer anything. Maybe in future we'll see what happens CCP Falcon -á \|\| -á EVE Community Team -á \|\| -á EVE Illuminati -á \|\| -á Live Events Organizer @CCP_Falcon -á \|\| -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents

Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 4642	Posted - 2013.11.13 13:53:00 - [52] - Quote I want: 1) A metal Maelstrom. Because it's ~vertical~ and with those blades I can use it as self defense weapon 2) A Nidhoggur. Because it's so utterly useless in game (BPCs sold for < 10M!!!!) that it's not worth ever buying and much less undocking with one. However it'd be worth having one to put on the bookcase, the only PvP risk would be my -10 sec gank kitten. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
visitante inferno Knights of Shame 14	Posted - 2013.12.08 22:41:00 - [53] - Quote if anybody has any questions regarding this or any other 3d printing please feel free to contact me in game.

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