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visitante inferno
Knights of Shame
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Posted - 2013.10.24 01:28:00 -
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Hello all,
Recently I bought a 3d printer and I have gotten pretty good with some CAD programs. I have been able to recover all the ship in game. heres my question:
1. Is there any known portion of the EULA that anybody knows about that would keep me from producing these models and selling them? Obviously I wouldn't claim them as my own design, all the credit would go to eve. and I also wouldn't credit them as being legit pieces from ccp. I have seen some on ebay but they are cheep cardboard piece together that look just worthless.
2. I know of a load of people that have wanted to get there hands on some model ships, If I were to print some out they would be made with abs plastic and only the highest quality ones would make it for shipment. in addition they would be hand painted to match the paint job of any ship in the game. would people be interested in purchasing some of these?
curious on the answer. if you have reference to the eula please post it as well. |

Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2013.10.24 01:32:00 -
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Would you also offer non-painted ones for a lower price point for those of us who like painting ourselves.
As for EULA stuff, I have no idea. Though I have seen some EVE fan made merchandise sell for quite a long while like EVE decals and racial cufflinks and pins. |

visitante inferno
Knights of Shame
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Posted - 2013.10.24 01:47:00 -
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Iudicium Vastus wrote:Would you also offer non-painted ones for a lower price point for those of us who like painting ourselves.
As for EULA stuff, I have no idea. Though I have seen some EVE fan made merchandise sell for quite a long while like EVE decals and racial cufflinks and pins.
Yes I would offer non painted models at a significantly reduced price as the painting is what would take the most time other then the model editing to prep for printing. In addition to that I would make custom paint jobs available to people who can provide a proper layout and template for creation.
Also, I would be able to customize the size to a reasonable amount. I wont be able to make "miniatures" but once I print a couple of these off I will know the exact size to still be able to get the best detail. however bigger models like the three foot models will obviously be more expensive(like the 3 foot model of a titan ill be making for myself lol). and I'm working on non pieced together ships for model making like the old car models you used to be able to find.
The average model size will be around 210x190x140 which will vary depending on the dimensions of the specific ship. |

Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
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Posted - 2013.10.24 01:59:00 -
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CCP lawyers are coming for you.
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Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.24 02:04:00 -
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Mr. Orange wrote:CCP lawyers are coming for you. 
Couldn't he just maybe then switch to selling GTCs for high prices with the "Bonus" ship model for "Free" |

Rich Uncle PennyBags
EVE Online Monopoly
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Posted - 2013.10.24 02:05:00 -
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EULA does say that you cant use the eve IP for your own profit, but it is a very grey area. CCP are pretty loose with it.
File a support ticket and ask a GM, you'll probably want to get it escalated to a senior.
If you can get a decent looking model, I'd be interested in what you've got. |

Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.24 02:13:00 -
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Rich Uncle PennyBags wrote:EULA does say that you cant use the eve IP for your own profit, but it is a very grey area. CCP are pretty loose with it.
File a support ticket and ask a GM, you'll probably want to get it escalated to a senior.
If you can get a decent looking model, I'd be interested in what you've got.
Yeah, each corp or publisher is different, but in the general scheme of things they're usually pretty hands-off with fandom made things. It just becomes a noticeable problem to them if you claim to own it as an original design, claim to be officially affiliated or representing the designer/publishers, or start to make huge amounts of profit. But with other sci-fi, fantasy, anime, video game fandoms, I've barely seen any hobbyist making some spare money on the side get targeted. Just not worth the paperwork (and bad PR) trouble for them.
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visitante inferno
Knights of Shame
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Posted - 2013.10.24 02:22:00 -
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im sure ccp would gladly issue a cease and assist letter before doing anything too rash  |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.10.24 02:45:00 -
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I once made my own Domi model and flew it around the house...until my wife made me bring it back in the kitchen and peel it for dinner.
If I had ever sold that potato for ISK, I would have been banned.
Damn you CCP, that Domi was delicious. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

IDGAD
Get in the van I have candy.
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Posted - 2013.10.24 04:02:00 -
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If you get good enough at it, research heavily into your options of starting a small business / working with selling on amazon/etc and then work as a contractor for CCP. I mean let's face it, they let musterbrand which is terribad manage their new EVE store, so you should be able to make something worth them endorsing. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.24 04:07:00 -
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Anything is legit as long as you raffle it off I guess. |

visitante inferno
Knights of Shame
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Posted - 2013.10.24 09:30:00 -
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okay so my next question. how much would people be willing to pay for these? I was thinking about $50 for a standard not painted one that fits within the 210x190x140 and about $150-250 (depending on the paint detail) for painted ones. |

Violet Crumble
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.24 11:19:00 -
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visitante inferno wrote:im sure ccp would gladly issue a cease and assist letter before doing anything too rash 
Cease and assist?
What are they going to assist with?
As to the original question, internet lawyering is worth as much as you pay for it, but I'll give it a go anyway. Don't even bother with the EULA, unless it explicity allows this type of thing (which it doesn't). The intellectual property belongs to CCP and I think if they wanted to take action, you'd have a fairly hard time arguing fair use. |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel
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Posted - 2013.10.24 11:19:00 -
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visitante inferno wrote: 1. Is there any known portion of the EULA that anybody knows about that would keep me from producing these models and selling them?
No, because that is what copyright law is for. Now legally no one can prevent you from making a copy for yourself at home. However if you started selling them/giving them away to other people, CCP lawyers could legally come down on you like a ton of bricks. I'm sure this could be applied to any file containing the copyrighted design if you're distributing it to others so they can print it on their 3D printers. Said file is a much more obvious violation than say, a .torrent file, yet .torrent site owners have still been nailed to the wall.
Of course the author himself can always give you permission to duplicate his work if he feels like it and you ask nicely. |

Seetesh
Station Window Lickers
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Posted - 2013.10.24 12:28:00 -
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If you ever offered this service I would snap up dozens, ideally if you could offer them somewhat scaled between classes. |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:03:00 -
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Unfortunately you're not able to 3D print them and sell them for profit, as the 3D models themselves are part of CCP's intellectual property and can't be produced or sold without authorization from CCP.
3D printing is pretty cool though, and I'd love to eventually see cool stuffs being printed and distributed.
Your best bet is to fire a mail off to [email protected], and speak with us regarding what is and isn't possible with regards to IP law. 
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:11:00 -
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I can honestly I say
Not only would I pay to have scale models and know others who would
I would happily write a set of easy-to-play table top rules to go along with them High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh |

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
510
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:17:00 -
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Should have kept this one to yourself. CCP just bought 10 printers. |

Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:18:00 -
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A shame there isn't a printer big enough to make a 1:1 scale Harbi yet.. Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows |

oOReikaOo Michiko
Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
165
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:22:00 -
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Hyperion metal model?
SHUTUP AND TAKE MAI MONIES |

Posting From Underbridge
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:28:00 -
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How do you manage to direct what amounts to a CNC machine without appropriate grammar? |

Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:33:00 -
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You could give us all the STL files for free though. ;)
CCP: Does "can't sell for profit" means he could sell for cost of materials only? You know, "I'm just selling this lump of ABS plastic, and any resemblance to designs trademarked or copyrighted is purely coincidental"? |

visitante inferno
Knights of Shame
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Posted - 2013.10.24 16:14:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Unfortunately you're not able to 3D print them and sell them for profit, as the 3D models themselves are part of CCP's intellectual property and can't be produced or sold without authorization from CCP. 3D printing is pretty cool though, and I'd love to eventually see cool stuffs being printed and distributed. Your best bet is to fire a mail off to [email protected], and speak with us regarding what is and isn't possible with regards to IP law. 
I will be contacting them. maybe we can work something out. |

visitante inferno
Knights of Shame
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Posted - 2013.10.24 16:16:00 -
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I'm not telling anybody to eve mail me with there personal email address. lol |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
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Posted - 2013.10.24 16:18:00 -
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visitante inferno wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Unfortunately you're not able to 3D print them and sell them for profit, as the 3D models themselves are part of CCP's intellectual property and can't be produced or sold without authorization from CCP. 3D printing is pretty cool though, and I'd love to eventually see cool stuffs being printed and distributed. Your best bet is to fire a mail off to [email protected], and speak with us regarding what is and isn't possible with regards to IP law.  I will be contacting them. maybe we can work something out.
My offer to be included in this in return for toy spaceships still stands High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh |

oOReikaOo Michiko
Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.10.24 16:31:00 -
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Create a startup .. ill toss my chips in |

Alexa Coates
Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC
682
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Posted - 2013.10.24 16:38:00 -
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If you made them for free then I don't think ccp would have a problem, creative license and all that. I'm sure if you worked out a deal that gives ccp some profit, like 70% for you, 30% to ccp or whatever then they'll probably let you sell them. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers. |

visitante inferno
Knights of Shame
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Posted - 2013.10.24 16:40:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Unfortunately you're not able to 3D print them and sell them for profit, as the 3D models themselves are part of CCP's intellectual property and can't be produced or sold without authorization from CCP. 3D printing is pretty cool though, and I'd love to eventually see cool stuffs being printed and distributed. Your best bet is to fire a mail off to [email protected], and speak with us regarding what is and isn't possible with regards to IP law. 
I shot an email to that address requesting permission to possible start up an amazon store and having a percentage of my profits go to CCP. Now awaiting a response. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
935
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:08:00 -
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visitante inferno wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Unfortunately you're not able to 3D print them and sell them for profit, as the 3D models themselves are part of CCP's intellectual property and can't be produced or sold without authorization from CCP. 3D printing is pretty cool though, and I'd love to eventually see cool stuffs being printed and distributed. Your best bet is to fire a mail off to [email protected], and speak with us regarding what is and isn't possible with regards to IP law.  I shot an email to that address requesting permission to possible start up an amazon store and having a percentage of my profits go to CCP. Now awaiting a response.
If you DO get a go-ahead, Id genuinely like to offer my services as a miniatures painter High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh |

Narcotic Gryffin
Bombin Busch Wookies
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:11:00 -
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I'll take an Ashimmu, Full size not model sized with working warp drive please. Surely you can 3d print the Warp Drive.  |
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