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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2006.02.03 06:48:00 -
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This is a genuine questions. What does one get from Empire agent running that is worth losing transit through large sections Empire space?
Is there anything that a +10 standing has to offer that could offset the inability to move through another factions space or use their markets?
Harry Voyager
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Lefia
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Posted - 2006.02.03 07:16:00 -
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With careful balancing, it is possible to get positive standing with all the empire factions. The downside is that it takes a lot longer than getting any 1 faction up to any given level. Personally I have positive standing (before skills) with Amarr, Gallente, and Caldari, and barely negative minmatar standig (which I'm working on getting back positive at the moment).
As far as any benefit to having 10 faction standing... The only thing I can think of is the immediate access to all agents within the corperations the fall under the faction (aside from R&D agents if you lack the skills). Not sure that this is worth a raw -5 standing with other factions though... but with some nice social skills, you might still be able to use their space.
Originally by: hired goon
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.02.03 09:35:00 -
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Currently we have no way to balance out our standing.
Important missions and derived changes from those hurt more than you can gain by doing them.
The only way is down - or limiting yourself to one faction's space.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.02.03 10:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Tachy
Currently we have no way to balance out our standing.
Important missions and derived changes from those hurt more than you can gain by doing them.
The only way is down - or limiting yourself to one faction's space.
So all those people who are successfully raising their standings with all four major factions, are cheating?
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.02.03 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Voyager
This is a genuine questions. What does one get from Empire agent running that is worth losing transit through large sections Empire space?
At the moment. .. not much, really. A +7 faction standing means you can use any agent in that entire faction, up to level 4/quality 20. When the new cold war stuff comes in, and we can pick sides and get promotions, medals etc. ... it'll become more important I guess.
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NEvara
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Posted - 2006.02.03 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Tachy
Currently we have no way to balance out our standing.
Important missions and derived changes from those hurt more than you can gain by doing them.
The only way is down - or limiting yourself to one faction's space.
So all those people who are successfully raising their standings with all four major factions, are cheating?
To answerr you Tachy you sure can increase your standing with the other faction if you train the social skills.
And to answerr your question Baldour Ngarr they are not cheating they are doing missions for corporation that increases the standing of all 4 factions.
Kind regards NEvara
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.02.03 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Tachy on 03/02/2006 11:10:38
Normal missions including ship kills have a 'corp standing gain':'faction standing loss' rating of 1:15 or worse.
Important missions net much more loss than gain.
Canibalizing good pre-RMR faction standing doesn't count because a new pilot wont have none of it.
Social skills don't fix nothing in the long run.
Their effect isn't strong enough, or a one time shot.
Which corp has positive standing to all four factions and offers important/storyline missions?
InterBus? For quite a while they don't give important/storyline missions.
One of the devs stated that they'll remove InterBus completely because it has no use.
SOE isn't on good terms with the Amarr for quite a while now.
I would love to know a way of doing it.
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Lothar Delamar
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Posted - 2006.02.06 19:06:00 -
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Tachy
I am not sure whether the storyline missions are a net loss. Unless you include the pirate factions as well I believe it is possible to get a decent standing with all factions. As an example a storyline mission for Caldari may give me a 0.6% improvement on my standing but the derived loss for Minmatar is around 0.03. Of course, like I said, your standing with the pirate factions are a different kettle of fish  Mind you, it would probably take ages 
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Antiope
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Posted - 2006.02.06 19:23:00 -
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well you get 2 Faction BS, 2 Faction Cruiser, 2 Faction Frigs and the abillity to do the command mindlink implant mission, which is a storyline of 9 parts.
Depending on the faction this stuff is worth 5 billion isk +, that + depends on the mindlink imp which is worth several billions itself if you manage to complete the missions, which are a once per character chance to fail or complete. 
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Lefia
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Posted - 2006.02.06 20:10:00 -
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With careful mission selection (including extremely careful selection of important missions) it is still possible to get a net positive gain with all 4 empire factions. The trick here of course is to reject any mission that requires the destruction of opposing faction ships, including important missions.
And from experience there are a great deal of important missions which do not require you to kill opposing faction ships, and most standard kill missions I get are aimed at pirate factions, whos esteem I could care less about.
Originally by: hired goon
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Dust Angel
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Posted - 2006.02.06 21:19:00 -
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Running SOE and Caldari or SOE and Mordus missions will keep all empire factions happy with you.
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