Hmm....another change the rules against certain playstyles to benefit my playstyle in a sandbox game....er..om


HELL NO

My point exactly :)

FW has a disease.

FW was meant to provide PVP and some Isk for those that are involved.
But there are so many alts now from people that arent even in FW but just do it for the easy LP.
Because it is way too easy.

At the moment a 1 week old char can farm a medium plex in a stabbed and cloaked t1 frigate.
It should not be possible to kill the Medium NPC in an unskilled t1 frigate....

Its ok if they can do the Novices, because thats what they are there for, but making 40 million isk in 20 minutes by easily killing the Medium NPC in an unskilled,stabbed and cloaked T1 frigate is just too easy

This doesn't reflect the Risk/Reward policy that CCP always seems to aim for.....

And this is easy to solve....

make the Novice Outpost NPC able to tank 50 dps. (so noobs can still kill it and run it)
make the Small Outpost NPC able to tank 150 dps (so you actually need a dessie or well fitted frig to kill it) (or 2 people)
make the Medium Outpost NPC able to tank 250 dps (so you actually need a well fitted Dessie/AF/Cruiser to kill it. (or 2 people)

That way people in stabbed t1 frigs either have to ship up or can only run novices wich is fine by me.
But it makes the good LP only available for people that bring a decent ship.

or just reinstate the old plex's cuz you deffinatly couldnt be a noob to do them

i dont like the idea. All these ships and farmers are potential targets and they also keep things going and make it a low barrier of entry for new players.

Leave it as it is now.

FW has a disease.

FW was meant to provide PVP and some Isk for those that are involved.
But there are so many alts now from people that arent even in FW but just do it for the easy LP.
Because it is way too easy.

At the moment a 1 week old char can farm a medium plex in a stabbed and cloaked t1 frigate.
It should not be possible to kill the Medium NPC in an unskilled t1 frigate....

Its ok if they can do the Novices, because thats what they are there for, but making 40 million isk in 20 minutes by easily killing the Medium NPC in an unskilled,stabbed and cloaked T1 frigate is just too easy

This doesn't reflect the Risk/Reward policy that CCP always seems to aim for.....

And this is easy to solve....

make the Novice Outpost NPC able to tank 50 dps. (so noobs can still kill it and run it)
make the Small Outpost NPC able to tank 150 dps (so you actually need a dessie or well fitted frig to kill it) (or 2 people)
make the Medium Outpost NPC able to tank 250 dps (so you actually need a well fitted Dessie/AF/Cruiser to kill it. (or 2 people)

That way people in stabbed t1 frigs either have to ship up or can only run novices wich is fine by me.
But it makes the good LP only available for people that bring a decent ship.

Lols, ok then, 250 dps?..... any accounts with 1 week of trainning can out put that, instead you'll have tons of dessy's moving around.
Even if large outpost require bigger ships, they'll run around in there T3s, finish NPC's, and sit there alts in sites.

NO, because the old plexes had like 20 Rats in them wich interfered with PVP, and PVP is what we want....

Sounds like you are using Stabbed/Cloaky T1 frigates to run your plexes....

Give it up.

FW has had all the major changes it's going to get for a while. CCP has to move onto other areas that are way more broken than FW, dullsec for example.

If you seriously don't like how FW works nowadays, go fly somewhere else.....

Bump


This needs to be fixed....

your issues are fixes to what was "broken" with FW in the past.


Low sp noobs....fixed an issue where pre-buff FW kind of worked better with high skills. Those I knew who ran it in the old days favored high skill hacs or pirates boats. One friend swore by his high skilled ishtar. Some e-war resistance (drone boat and all), decently agile for clearing camps or gtfo if jumped in site, and drone use limited ammo use to not have to sweat choke points at stations to refill as much.

This tied to a second issue. Payout. More work/expense to do it and returns not all that good. FW used to pay out like ass. Created 2 problems. Noobs couldn't afford to start up in it or run it long with ship losses or startup costs of living in low sec. Mid experienced players were going why bother. Ergo FW had a much lower population as many said.....


Well i need high skill high power ships to run the content decent. I need the sp to fly it. And the payout sucks. I could build up to this wonderful experience or.....go to a wh or 0.0. Noobs just got the 5 mil sp most entry 0.0 corps need and skipped the foreplay of fw. 0.0 if a competent hac pilot you will find a home (as it can be assumed you can do BC too and BS not a far reach after if not already have it) . Ratting unless doing something wrong makes t2 loss not so bad. And for the icing on the cake doesn't wreck sec status or faction standing (at least with the 4 main empires).


CCP lowered the content difficulty. Made it not need have a high skilled Hac to run. And paid better. Ergo you got more in FW.


Want to fix FW the answer is clear....roll back to prebuff times. You'd lose lots of your dead weight this way. You'd also lose some quality players as they go screw it the blob pays better.


When you dangle pve to attract players you get more players. Way more in FW now. You however have to accept the downside you attract the isk farmers as well. there is no easy solution for this. Even 0.0 cannot stem the flow of null-bears out there. Its not hard to fake the funk and be way more into pve then pvp in 0.0. You can make your corp pure pvp based. You can't make other corps though. Null-bears gonna null-bear. Not liking your target selection in fw its not so great in a wh or 0.0 sometimes. Get bored roam known null-bear or botter spaces. Great way to bm pos'. Because thats where they all run to when you are around.

Easy fix for cloaks and stabs is to have a 30-40km warp disruption battery on the beacon that points war targets after 10 seconds or so.

Supporting this thread.

However I'd like to see the tanking numbers for the NPCs raised a little higher than what is proposed.

75 to 100 DPS for Novices.
175 to 200 DPS for Smalls.
250 to 300 DPS for Mediums.

Another thing I'd like to see is infinite-strength warp disruption from the NPCs as well (but I would just be happy with the increased NPC tanks).

Any Dev reading this??