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Jal Sireyl
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Posted - 2006.02.03 12:23:00 -
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Greetings,
One may interpret the subject line in either way that leaps to mind for EVE, and it will work just as well: How complex can people make their macros? And is it possible to run a complex as a bot operating on macros?
I ask not because I want to do this myself, but because I've begun to wonder whether someone else is doing so. There's a complex near my corp's home base, a pleasant little 3/10, which I would occasionally like to run through in the hopes of finding a useful item. Yet for the last two weeks, every single time I go there the same character is in it. I never see him anywhere else, just that complex and a nearby station where he docks between complex-runs. And he never answers when I ask (to be polite, as I don't wish to try to yank a complex out from under someone) whether he's in the complex or not.
So I've been wondering, is it possible he's running a very complex macro in the complex? Or is he just mildly rude and possessed of too much free time and too great a tolerance for repeating the same series of actions?
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TheKiller8
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Posted - 2006.02.03 12:35:00 -
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Hmm he could use a macro but it wouldn't be a very advanced one. You'll have to check his behaviour or better yet try to interfere. See what happens if you throw him a convo or start bumping him around with a micro warp drive. Most mining macro's can easily be messed up by bumping the miner out of the belt and watching him idle there for hours.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.02.03 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: HippoKing on 03/02/2006 12:37:12
they can be VERY advanced, if they are built into the eve client code (really heavily against the EULA)
i'll try and find the link to the mining macro promo video
edit: ok, that has been removed from the forums once, i don't think i wanna post it again 
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.02.03 12:37:00 -
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Do you possess to much freetime? Cause you need to be on to see him, and if you....
And I don't answer people I don't know either if I don't feel like it.
Guess he likes that complex.
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Jal Sireyl
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Posted - 2006.02.03 12:45:00 -
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Heh... sometimes I do have too much free time. But in this case, it's just the piling-up of coincidental meetings. Checking a couple of times a day, when I'd set aside some time in which I hoped to be able to hit the complex, and always finding the same person there... it awakens certain suspicions. I've met people who farm certain areas or items for online money/item-sellers in other games, so I'm wondering if he could be an ISK-farmer.
Of course, he could just be anti-social and not easily bored. 
I haven't tried ramming him yet, but if he's moving through the complex, would ramming stop him? Either he makes it all the way to the end each time, or someone else destroys the stronghold in the last level every time he's in there.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.02.03 12:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Jal Sireyl
Heh... sometimes I do have too much free time. But in this case, it's just the piling-up of coincidental meetings. Checking a couple of times a day, when I'd set aside some time in which I hoped to be able to hit the complex, and always finding the same person there... it awakens certain suspicions. I've met people who farm certain areas or items for online money/item-sellers in other games, so I'm wondering if he could be an ISK-farmer.
Of course, he could just be anti-social and not easily bored.
I haven't tried ramming him yet, but if he's moving through the complex, would ramming stop him? Either he makes it all the way to the end each time, or someone else destroys the stronghold in the last level every time he's in there.
Well if you just wanna be able to run the complex, wardec him, blow him, and convince him to go do something else for a while.   
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EXZODIER
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Posted - 2006.02.03 12:50:00 -
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making a macro thats would kill stuf would be realy easy all u need would be a key/mouse copier and know how to use the overview settings - wont give full details - but sent a pettion a gm will speek to him no reply and he will be gone
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AlleyKat
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Posted - 2006.02.03 13:13:00 -
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Leremblompes system by any chance?
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Za Po
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Posted - 2006.02.03 13:47:00 -
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They can be very complex. They certainly can run a deadspace. Lineage II used to be full of bots scouring dungeons clean.
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R Dan
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Posted - 2006.02.03 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: R Dan on 03/02/2006 13:58:08
I'd just Kill steal, see what he does. if he blindly goes on again and again I'd guess it was something odd.
Of course he might not speak english, or be being very rude - when I'm in a mood for not being interupted i often minimise my chat windows
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.02.03 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Za Po
They can be very complex. They certainly can run a deadspace. Lineage II used to be full of bots scouring dungeons clean.
Played Lineage II for a while myself, and even then people where saying that. And every single one that I visited for myself/met myself, wasn't a bot, but was a player. ( albeit a farmer, but still a player. )
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Robet Katrix
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Posted - 2006.02.03 14:18:00 -
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I would just take his loot, if he fires at you blow him up. Im pretty sure there ARE ratting macros though. I encoutered a war target yesterday who totally ignored me and continued to pick up loot as i went from 50km to 20km on him in a belt. When i began firing on him he returned fire and then warped away as soon as he hit armor(stabbed)he then went to station at 15km where myself and a corpmate proceeded to kill and pod him. But i could have sworn it was a macro.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.02.03 14:19:00 -
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We use macro programs to control servers, run backups and do all sorts of stuff. The one we use has a full blown language that rivals VB. Bloody useful tool in the right hands for the right reason. Very bad tool in the wrong hands for the wrong reason.
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2006.02.03 15:17:00 -
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IMO, if he doesn't want to listen, make him listen. It might cost a few bucks in Concorded ships, but you'll be hard not to pay attention to then.
Or be nice and just contact a GM.
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.02.03 15:20:00 -
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Rob his cans and see what he does? 
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2006.02.03 15:21:00 -
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There was macros in AC made with the in-game macro system that allowed people to hunt in an area for xp, collect gold, move to the nearest enemy, kill, etc. Even had autoresponses if someone tried to /tell them something.
Scripts/macros are very easy to craft. EVE is a fairly simple game to do so also. So I believe th threat is very real. I reccomend you try convo'ing this person, or doing something that would arise some err in a normal person
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Sebastien LeReparteur
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Posted - 2006.02.03 15:34:00 -
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Indeed just fit a faster ship and steal all the cans. If he doens't convo you just keep on going you will use is tank! :P
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Jal Sireyl
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Posted - 2006.02.03 19:31:00 -
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I did think of stealing his loot, but I'd really hate to do that if it just turns out he's in no mood to chat, and not a bot at all. As for the war dec, he's in an NPC corp... which, of course, just fuels my suspicions.
I'll have to try inviting him to a conversation. I use private chats so little that it never even occurred to me.
I really hope he's just anti-social. 
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Minotaurian
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Posted - 2006.02.03 19:38:00 -
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I assume its .5+ so you can't just take a pot shot at him and see what happens. Try dropping some loot cans in the complex and see if he picks them up though?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.03 19:49:00 -
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Didn't Lineage II have client API hooks?
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erehwon
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Posted - 2006.02.03 19:50:00 -
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Dropping cans for him to pickup is a great idea. If it is a macro then most likely he'll pick them up and you can attack. If he ignores the can he's likely to be a human who is anti-social. So it ought to be a decent way to determine it either way.
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2006.02.03 20:02:00 -
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shut up. this thread is stupid.
In short: Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.
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Dimitri Chandler
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Posted - 2006.02.03 20:47:00 -
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Just use a person, or better yet, a squirrel / monkey / badger to do it for you.
Now that would be something.
Is there anything in the rules about using a hamster to mine for you btw?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.02.03 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Berak FalCheran
shut up. this thread is stupid.
elucidate
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Ukucia
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Posted - 2006.02.03 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jal Sireyl
Greetings,
How complex can people make their macros? And is it possible to run a complex as a bot operating on macros?
Yes.
Or at least, I tried out a bot in EQ2 that is about the level of sophistication required to run complexes. This bot could be programmed to travel to a series of waypoints and scan the area for specifically named, or specific level mobs. Then the bot would have the group approach and attack said mobs, while using appropriate spells from the support classes (such as healing when the tank's HP got below a particular threshold, using more powerful heals when the tank's HPs were very low). It would loot the corpse, then go hunting for a new target.
(No, I don't run bots in Eve. Their harvesting/crafting system isn't completely @(#$*&#'ed up like EQ2's.)
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2006.02.03 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Berak FalCheran
shut up. this thread is stupid.
elucidate
Okay.... THERE AREW MACROS FARMING COMPLEXES OMFG OMG MACROS EVERYWEHRE LETS SPAM THE FORUMS WITH OUR SKY IS FALLING PREDICTIUONS THERE ARE MACRO PVPERS NOW OMG THE GAME IS RUINED FLEE EVERYOJHNE
doesn't anyone else get sick of reading this bs?
In short: Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.
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Expert Newbie
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Posted - 2006.02.03 21:33:00 -
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I don't know what thread you're reading but the rest of us are reading a thread on how to determine if someone is macroing complexes. The only sky that's falling is yours.
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2006.02.03 21:36:00 -
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a lot of "isk sellers" will use a complex macro to run it for them, and have someone sitting near the computers to respond if a gm convos them.
Thus making the gms only tool for detection void.
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.02.04 06:11:00 -
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Easy to use macro's can be recorded with hardware like a few suggested. I used a Logitech G15 keybard in another MMO all the time. It allowed my to target each of my team mates, and buff them with 3 or 4 buff's each, then move to the next and do it again.
Stuff like that is becomeing common. I don't know how it would work in eve, as I'm very new to it. But basically, if it's a combination of key commands, you can do it.
now this works for a long string of them, but you still have to hit the button.
I know you can get programs what will loop them, but i've never trusted them. I'd rather just read a book if it's that boreing long term.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.02.04 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: Berak FalCheran
doesn't anyone else get sick of reading this bs?
So dont read it.
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