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Herzov
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:02:00 -
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I started EVE online less than a week ago because I have been tired of the clicheed MMORPG meta gameplay grind for gear-wait for expac-grind for better gear than you grinded for so you can grind for better gear. Now, I can't help but notice that my head is overloaded everytime I try to play due to the sheer amount of information that you have to absorb when you are starting out.... I was wondering if this is natural for every person that started out EVE or is it just me? I have read all the new player guides but still find myself being shocked at the starting curve of EVE compared to the traditional MMORPG... I'm really digging the game at the moment but after a session I feel tired
Thanks in advance for any additional imputs you guys may give :) |
Baggo Hammers
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:03:00 -
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It takes a bit but you will get it even if by osmosis. Try and focus on just one facet at a time. If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there. |
Cara Forelli
Darkstorm Corporation
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:06:00 -
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You are not alone.
But really, just take it one thing at a time. You don't have to learn everything about everything all at once. Decide what you are interested in, do some research on the topic, and try it out. Ask a lot of questions and you'll usually get decent answers. I've met people that have been playing for years and still have no idea how to modify their overview window! We're all learning together :) www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com |
Kyseth
Touring New Eden
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:09:00 -
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I was waiting for this image to pop up. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:10:00 -
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Edit; Someone beat me with the link
Honestly if a new player comes and tells me that they find EVE "easy" and have little to no questions because they feel they have figured everything out within the first week i assume they will be gone by the first month.
The basic idea of EVE might be simple, but players who actually try to get into and understand the game will soon realize there is a lot more too it then "Lock and shoot that red thing on overview".
My only advice for you is really that you are patient. Ask questions, then double check the information your giving, and then triple check it just to make sure you received accurate information
As time goes on you will feel more comfortable with what your doing, and the basics of the game, and at that point you can start looking into the other aspects of the game that might not have seemed that interesting when you first started out. But be prepared for the fact that you most likely will never feel like you know "everything". Most EVE players will know the basics from most play styles and professions, but i think even 10 year old vets still finds them self in situations that are new to them, or receive information that they had no knowledge about before Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Nick Starkey
Exiled Kings SCUM.
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:15:00 -
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Yeah, the game is pretty complex when you start out, mostly because a newer player still has no idea what he wants to pursue, and every eve related website you find usually focuses on different parts of the game, making it difficult to get a broader picture of the game. My advice is do things little by little. Experiment a bit of everything: missions, ninja salvaging, exploration, frigate sized pvp, industry, PI etc and see which you like. Investing a little SP on starting skills for each area is not a big deal so you can find out which parts of the game you like the most. When you find something you like, research a little into it and join a corp that operates in that area. If you don't like that particupar activity, try something else and repeat the process.
Here is a pretty good all around starter guide to the game: it will give you a basic idea of how most things work: http://www.isktheguide.com/downloads/ISK_Vol_1_Odyssey_1_0_16.zip |
Tyrendian Biohazard
Terra Rosa Militia SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:49:00 -
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I got into it from another streamer who is now on hiatus from the game. A lot of the learning curve I dealt with through stubbornness and wanting to actually give the game a shot. Rather than the normal, do trial > not understand > quit that I tried in the past.
As far as learning, don't try to learn everything all at once. You'll fry your brain. Focus on the things you like/want to do. Read up on it, go find user created tutorials, best practices, etc. Once you get that down, read up on another facet you're interested in.
Forgetting everything you know about MMOs really helps clear your head and helps you take in the information a little better. As compared to trying to relate anything you learn here to another MMO, because EVE isn't like any other MMO. My twitch stream to help new players: http://www.twitch.tv/biohazrd51
And Baddie Blog for new players: eve4newbies.blogspot.com |
Disastro
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.10.25 00:25:00 -
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Herzov wrote:I started EVE online less than a week ago because I have been tired of the clicheed MMORPG meta gameplay grind for gear-wait for expac-grind for better gear than you grinded for so you can grind for better gear. Now, I can't help but notice that my head is overloaded everytime I try to play due to the sheer amount of information that you have to absorb when you are starting out.... I was wondering if this is natural for every person that started out EVE or is it just me? I have read all the new player guides but still find myself being shocked at the starting curve of EVE compared to the traditional MMORPG... I'm really digging the game at the moment but after a session I feel tired Thanks in advance for any additional imputs you guys may give :)
I played Everquest for many years before coming to eve online. EQOA specifically (the playstation online version of EQ which is pretty much PVE only).
Many years before that (yes i am this old) i used to play a pencil and paper space RPG called "Traveller" which i enjoyed at the time. It was more or less a dungeons and dragons in space sort of thing. Later they came out with a PC game called Megatraveller which was fun but was a solo player game not an online game. When EQOA began dying off in popularity i began looking for an online version of traveller which i did not find in my searches. Instead I came across EVE. It isnt quite the same but it is pretty close.
Basically it is an unstructured game where folks can do what they really want to good or bad. People are free to be evil or they are free to go be mr carebear. Its their choice. |
Iria Ahrens
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.25 00:45:00 -
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The learning clif image never gets old!
The learning cliff is a LOT better than it used to be. Players keep comming out and creating offline content, DEVs keep improving the tutorial and interface, tiericide, etc, removing arbitrary differences. Eve UNI and and other corps are dedicated to helping newbies get the game. The help channel is always open and busy. Although there are a few people that are in help because they want to ridicule newbies :(
The main thing to watch out for is timeliness of any information you get. In EVE the game is constantly changing, so what was true a few years ago is often no longer true. So if an information page is undated, verify it somewhere else, if it is dated more than a year ago or mentions a specific expansion that is not current, check it again.
Help is usually better than local for asking for advice. In Help if someone gives you bad or outdated advice, someone else will usually speak up. Not so in local. Players might be snickering when the local helpful dude advises you to use alt-f4 to improve your warp speed. Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Montevius Williams
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.25 01:06:00 -
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I had never heard about EVE until about 4 years ago when I was in the market for a new telescope.
After doing some searching around Google for a couple of days, I started get all kinds of space ads on website and what not.
One of the adds was a Google banner add for EVE.
Rest is history. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
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lollerwaffle
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:03:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:I had never heard about EVE until about 4 years ago when I was in the market for a new telescope. lolwat
Weirdest "How I got into EVE" reason, ever. |
Mr Veda
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.25 14:53:00 -
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Played other MMOs for years but never found one that had meaningful PVP
I think I've found it now :) dehino 'smin yath-ü dehe kaum-üraß++ yauvanaß++ jar-ütath-ü deh-üntara-pr-üptir dh-½ras tatra na muhyati |
Tho'mas
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:08:00 -
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One of my guildmates in WoW was talking about it on ventrilo. It sounded amazing, so the next day me and 3 other guildies made trial accounts and joined our friend on eve to try it out. He had played for a couple months so he was able to show us all the basics. Mining (before mining ships), basic combat, hunting people down with the directional scan. It was oh so frustrating those first few months. Especially when I tried to engage in pvp or do mission running in low sec (back when there were no level 4's in high sec) But through many friendly players, and even more ship losses I slowly learned the ropes and a few tricks to better my chances.
Haven't touched WoW in years, and I'm the only one left of the group of WoW guildies that came along with me, but I still love it. |
Koki Ottic
Hitcher's
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:20:00 -
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Sometime during the first week of playing eve I started to take some notes, cause my brain was fried. Now 6 months down the road I'm on my third 200 page notepad, and for sure I have spent more time on eve related web sites than actually playing. You may think that this is negative, but eve has definitely reward me for the effort I have put in.
I'm not saying you need to take notes, it's just how I play the game.
Got into eve cause I got fed up waiting for David Braben to release Elite 4. |
Mdes Ormand
Horizon Incorporation
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Posted - 2013.10.25 22:26:00 -
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I read a lot about eve before and after i started the game. Sometimes it became so overwhelming but that is what i like about this game. l like learning and a game must be so detailed for me to play. If it is something like a tetris like just put something upon another or like those others tons of mmos killing meaninglessly creatures over and over, i dont have fun. Lots of people will tell you the same about this game that sometimes reading about eve is more fun than playing eve. And i started playing eve because of X3 games since they were the games i liked most back at the time. I searched an online version for them and i came across with an even better one Eve Online.
Ps i really liked that learning curve image :) |
Lord Lojak
C U R S E
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Posted - 2013.10.26 00:07:00 -
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i went to a friends house(known in game as Aviper) and he said "ooo check this game out" and he clicked the EVE launcher and later that day i had an account of my own.
also never completed the tutorial now that i think about it. i got my knowledge here and there (some more costly than others) and most likely u will as well if it wasnt for the bullet nobody would fear the the gun |
Marzom Dread
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.26 11:33:00 -
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I came to eve in 2010, after leaving FFXI (played it for 6 years or so). I had left FFXI for FFXIV but quickly realized it was garbage. I didn't want to return ti FFXI so I gave EVE a try and fell in love with it within minutes. I been here ever since, with multiple chars. I love the ruthlessness of EVE, and will only leave when the servers shutdown. |
Espenson
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.26 12:07:00 -
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If I understand the post correctly you are asking what trajectory players have taken to make sense of the game as a whole. As has been said the key is to establish a short/medium term goal and focus on that. Since I'm a player that's started, left and then rejoined more than once I can outline two approaches that worked for me.
1) The first time I wanted to try small gang PVP. So, having completed the tutorial and earned enough ISK to lose a few ships I fitted a few basic frigate solo setups and went into losec looking for trouble. I duly died in an instant but convoed my killer who invited me to join his corp.
2) I resubbed recently and decided to try the new exploration system. Thus I focussed my energies on learning what skills I needed, training them, locating a quiet area to practise them and basing myself there.
PM me if either of these scenarios appeals and you want more advice. |
Inignort Err
SchmeckTel Group
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Posted - 2013.10.28 20:07:00 -
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I try out nearly every MMO and back in 2009 myself and a friend who played SecondLife were chatting about EVE and decided to try it. I was hooked right away but during the first go-around I couldn't settle on one or two things and eventually left in frustration. I came back earlier this year and have a better appreciation of focusing on one thing at a time (per toon) and the importance of developing skills.
I'm also not concerned about getting killed this time and have a PvP toon so I can do some of the killing too. It's a nice balance that will keep me in here for a long time.
Cliffs -- focus on one thing at a time until you get comfortable (like everyone else ITT says). EVE = Formula One -á* -áSWTOR = Indy Car -á* WOW = NASCAR DUCY? |
Deck Cadelanne
Exigent Circumstances
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:06:00 -
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Disastro wrote: Many years before that (yes i am this old) i used to play a pencil and paper space RPG called "Traveller" which i enjoyed at the time. It was more or less a dungeons and dragons in space sort of thing. Later they came out with a PC game called Megatraveller which was fun but was a solo player game not an online game. When EQOA began dying off in popularity i began looking for an online version of traveller which i did not find in my searches. Instead I came across EVE. It isnt quite the same but it is pretty close.
Traveller FTW! I think of High Guard every time I log in :-) |
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Paul Panala
Circulus Exousias
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:44:00 -
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Take the game one step at a time. If you try to fully understand it all before you do anything, you will never get into Eve. Just try things that seem interesting. Learn from your mistakes and ask for help. Find yourself a good new-player-friendly corp to join, meeting friends is a big part of the game.
While I am sure that many hard core PvPers will disagree with me. I found that running security missions was a good way to learn about ship fittings and basic flying mechanics without dying dozens of times a day. They are NOT a good way to learn about combat in Eve, security missions do not come close to properly representing the way real players fly. |
Paul Panala
Circulus Exousias
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:49:00 -
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OP has been bio-massed. Sad to see a new player go. I hope they just wanted to recreate their toon. |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.10.30 17:45:00 -
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oh well, no point in that wall of text I had going if he biomassed. |
Herzav
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.30 19:23:00 -
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I recreated my char, I'm just trying out all of the races since I'm still on a trial but I'm finding myself pulled in little by little day by day... Other MMO's don't seem as fun now... |
Cara Forelli
Darkstorm Corporation
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Posted - 2013.10.30 19:53:00 -
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Herzav wrote:I recreated my char, I'm just trying out all of the races since I'm still on a trial but I'm finding myself pulled in little by little day by day... Other MMO's don't seem as fun now...
Glad to hear that. Keep in mind that the only things your race affects are character appearance, starting location, and a few free starting skills. Any character can fly any ship in EVE with the proper training. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com |
Eli Kzanti
The Pod Foundation
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Posted - 2013.10.30 20:56:00 -
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Herzav wrote:I recreated my char, I'm just trying out all of the races since I'm still on a trial but I'm finding myself pulled in little by little day by day... Other MMO's don't seem as fun now... Now that I think about it, I have found other MMOs so dull since I started playing EVE... my conclusion is that EVE has really ruined my gaming experience in any other game. Thanks Obama CCP.
I got into EVE from a text-based space MMO thing, a few friends came over to EVE and I eventually relented for a trial... this was back in 2010. One long break in there somewhere and here I stand, still playing with those same friends from 3 years ago ;)
As for the learning cliff, I just got over it gradually... I knew what I liked and I did it, googled it, researched how to do it better, did it more, lost ships to rats, lost ships to players, googled more etc. etc... got there in the end, eh. But knowing vaguely what you want to do and researching/skilling for that specifically really helps you get a grip on things. |
Paul Panala
Circulus Exousias
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Posted - 2013.10.30 21:17:00 -
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Herzav wrote:I recreated my char, I'm just trying out all of the races since I'm still on a trial but I'm finding myself pulled in little by little day by day... Other MMO's don't seem as fun now...
I would not suggest spending a lot of time doing that. The only long term effect of your faction and bloodline choices are the way your character looks.
In the short term, your faction choice effects what part of space you start in, but you can fly to any empire space in about 5 minutes. It also effect which race's ships you get starting skill points to fly. Bloodline effect how your starting skills are focused. However, you start with only about 2 days worth of pre-trained skills, so it is really a non-issue. You can train to fly ships from any faction. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
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Posted - 2013.10.31 01:41:00 -
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I found Eve during the Star Citizen crowd funding. Figured I'd give Eve a try while I waited for my investment to pay off .... derp... Now I'm going to be hard pressed to play much SC. Eve has ruined me for all other MMOs. I had a couple of lvl 80 toons in Guild Wars 2 that I haven't logged on in months. Same goes for SW:TOR. Sandbox, best box.
I didn't really follow a plan to learning Eve. 2 really great things happened to me my first month of the game. The first was when an evil pirate ganked my venture and pod (with my free genos!!) in hisec. That guy became my first Eve friend and I eventually spent some time as a spotter for him, although I mostly sucked. I learned a lot about surviving in hisec against people just like him.
The second was when someone stiffed me on letting me salvage L4 missions for him only after I spent almost all of my isk on a Noctis. I forlornly sat in Vylade and asked in local if anyone would let me salvage missions for them for a cut. Gulmint immediately sent me a fleet invite which I accepted. I proceeded to salvage 10 level 4 missions he and his corpmates were working on. They didn't want any of the salvage, but I sent him a cut anyway. I paid for the entire Noctis in that one night. I joined Suns of Korhal and stayed for several months learning about ship fitting, PvE missions, and wormhole space. Probably not realizing what I would become, Gulmint even took me on my first gank :)
Then I found the joys of the New Order and have since learned a breathtaking amount about hisec, lowsec, and nullsec. Even more about ship fits (mostly what bad ones look like). And currently find myself living in a C2 wormhole anxiously awaiting the hellaisk I hear wormholers make. I've awox'd corps, flown multiple jumps into nullsec in a catalyst to die, and went a couple of times with Bombers Bar (all on alts).
Mostly what I'm saying is, you're going to have to experiment and take some risks. Most of the risks will involve trusting other people. In Eve trusting other people is usually a really bad idea. That's one of the things that makes Eve so great. Hey CCP, please slush my fund like you did for SOMER Blink. |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
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Posted - 2013.10.31 18:30:00 -
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I liked your story malcolm.
When i first started EvE i literally had no idea what i was getting myself into. I used to play various other games a lot in my spare time but since EvE hit me other games have looked restricted and short, almost to the point of pointlessnes (what a wierd word). Against most peoples (reasonable) advice i started my own corp right off the bat, intending it to be just me and who ever else needed a hassle free corp. Collected some fellow newbies and had a blast in hisec doing whatever we wanted.
Life as a corp completely full of newbies (including newbie CEO) is hard, but that means FUN and INTERESTING. We made loads of good contacts and the corp grew with us. Of course we got wardecs all the time from anyone who saw us and bothered to read up a bit, we were all horribly underskilled for almost everything we tried to do. I think the constant wardecs helped us clean away the non-hackers quite nicely :) We had to learn the hard way that actual intelligence is more powerful than SP most of the time, and eventually i was left with an amazing crew of survivors that i still play along-side today.
Later we moved into a C1 wormhole and learned about running a POS, surviving with no security, bits of PvP and lots about wormhole space before upgrading to a C2. The C2 was much more active and helped us learn more about small scale PvP and much MUCH more about wormhole space yet again. We fought several other corps who set up POS in our wormhole, learning all the time about enemy fleet composition, tactics & lots of funny stealth bomber training.
Cut to now and i have nulsec plans, then more wormhole plans stashed for when nul gets boring.
The point i'm trying to get across here is that it's taken 2.5 years to get to grips with the game and properly investigate a small part of it.. That's why i love EvE.
In 5 years i'll probably still have new **** to try out and new things to learn.
Other games take 2 days to complete and spend 2 years as a coaster for my coffee mug.. BUDDY TRIALS - 21days + ISK bonus + Starting Assistance : https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=77facad8-d941-45ad-95bc-c1ec90919b6b&action=buddy Feel free to contact me with questions :) |
Malcolm Faust
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:55:00 -
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I started playing because I love sci-fi, EVE drew me in by the depth of the game. I did some nerdy research before I ever subscribed just to see what there was exactly to do in the game.
PVP, PVE, mining, manufacturing, exploration, trade, invention, planetary interaction, smuggling, role playing, Dust, hell I think there's even a knitting club.
The hard choice to make is to pick a direction. I initially chose exploration, and then I got drawn into other aspects of the game. Mostly PVP, now I can't leave until I see where it all the strings go.
There is a reason why everyone says to find a corporation to join. That is the absolute best way to play the game, find likeminded people to play it wit. Figure out what you want to do and look in the reqruitment page for someone with the same intrest as you.
Good luck! |
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