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JamDunc
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:37:00 -
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So David Reed, the guy who has taken over as chief marketing officer for the last few years has been hard at work making sure that CCP shines as a beacon of solid competence and trustworthiness. No longer do we need to worry about T20 scandels, Summers of Rage or anything like that. Today we are in safe hands and as players don't need to worry about CCP screwing loyal fans over...right.....right....RIGHT!!!!!
Well if you wanted to play Valkyrie on a PC, the wait may be longer than you think
Quote:GÇ£Hold on a second, we havenGÇÖt confirmed that ValkyrieGÇÖs on PC,GÇ¥ he interjected
Quote:GÇ£Well, I mean, PC is definitely in the cards. Is it definitely something thatGÇÖs there in 2014 on commercial launch day? I couldnGÇÖt answer that for you yet. We certainly could do it, but itGÇÖs still a question of whether we will.GÇ¥
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/10/24/very-odd-ccp-refuses-to-confirm-eve-valkyrie-on-pc/#more-174017
It might not be time to get out the pitchforks, but it does sound like a pretty dumb strategy to me. Oh and about it being on Oculus Rift?
Quote:GÇ£No, weGÇÖre not necessarily [basing our launch on when Oculus comes out],GÇ¥ he clarified. GÇ£While we canGÇÖt get into details here, there are other platforms that are available. It is technically possible to run this game without a Rift. ThereGÇÖs a whole bunch of different things out on the market right now.GÇ¥ |

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Desperado-Enforcement LLC
4
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:47:00 -
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That article was a painful read. at this rate I'm betting on ouya, rift and linux. I hate to disagree with you,-ábut there is nothing subjective about "boring" in connection to "mining". -á-á-á-á -- Solstice Project's Alt |

Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
4190
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:47:00 -
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Why can't they simply use Unity or whatever else that's plattform independent ? ... |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1719
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:48:00 -
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seems pretty normal for designers to avoid the question of what platforms the game's being released on early on. i think they have to figure things out with the publisher and console manufacturers first. so don't panic, eh |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
1006
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:48:00 -
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WTF ARE YOU DOING
PUT THAT THING AWAY BEFORE YOU GET US ALL KILLED
BETWEEN HIS HOWLING AND YOUR BLASTING ITS A WONDER THE WHOLE STATION DOESNT KNOW WE'RE HERE High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh |

JamDunc
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
58
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:51:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:seems pretty normal for designers to avoid the question of what platforms the game's being released on early on. i think they have to figure things out with the publisher and console manufacturers first. so don't panic, eh
I remember when the first rumours of Dust being a console exclusive started to float about. Everyone was pretty much on the same page, "nah thats never gonna happen" It happened.
Only CCP would even think of taking something thats caught the worlds attention and then saying Nah, we are going PS4 exclusive and it will only work with this new PS4 VR headset.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
62903
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:52:00 -
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In the general press (CNN, blah blah blah, etc.) I keep reading all this stuff about the Death of the PC.
Sounds like it, if this is how game developers are thinking already.
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
1006
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:53:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:In the general press (CNN, blah blah blah, etc.) I keep reading all this stuff about the Death of the PC.
Sounds like it, if this is how game developers are thinking already.
Confirmed
Press tells truth
High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1719
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:54:00 -
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JamDunc wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:seems pretty normal for designers to avoid the question of what platforms the game's being released on early on. i think they have to figure things out with the publisher and console manufacturers first. so don't panic, eh I remember when the first rumours of Dust being a console exclusive started to float about. Everyone was pretty much on the same page, "nah thats never gonna happen" It happened. Only CCP would even think of taking something thats caught the worlds attention and then saying Nah, we are going PS4 exclusive and it will only work with this new PS4 VR headset. yeah i'll just leave you to rage about it then, i'll be over here chillaxing and drinking chocolate milk |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1719
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:55:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:yeah i'll just leave you to rage about it then, i'll be over here chillaxing and drinking chocolate milk and i'm all outta milk    |
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JamDunc
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
59
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:56:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:In the general press (CNN, blah blah blah, etc.) I keep reading all this stuff about the Death of the PC.
Sounds like it, if this is how game developers are thinking already.
Someone has Hilmars ear. He has been brainwashed that the future is F2P and microtransactions. Everything you hear him say points in this direction. I'm not super smart or even in the industry so I can't say for sure he is wrong. He has also been convinced that PC gaming is dead because of piracy. The fact all the evidence points against that doesn't seem to matter.
With the way Reid is talking I am expecting Valkyrie to be console exclusive using some unannounced VR console headset. It will be F2P and loaded with microtransactions. After all, that worked out great for Dust.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
6612
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:56:00 -
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Valkyrie will be an EA production exclusively for XBone.
Search your feelings, you know it to be true. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
62964
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:00:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:In the general press (CNN, blah blah blah, etc.) I keep reading all this stuff about the Death of the PC.
Sounds like it, if this is how game developers are thinking already.
Confirmed Press tells truth
I swear it's paid propaganda by Apple. All of it. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

JamDunc
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
59
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:02:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:yeah i'll just leave you to rage about it then, i'll be over here chillaxing and drinking chocolate milk and i'm all outta milk   
Not really rage, just frustration.
When all the stuff with Incarna was building the player base kept saying no. CCP kept saying yes. Eveyone knew that releasing an expansion that pretty much consisted on one room that couldn't be modified was daft.
When CCP announced Aurum players were pretty much Mah, as long as its just vanity we don't care. Then CCP went ahead and confirmed (via newsletters and emails) that they were pretty mcuh planning on releasing ships for Aurum. Players went nuts.
When CCP said they wanted to release their new come on a console right at the end of its life the players were unanimous "WTF" CCP did it anyway.
When CCP decided to give trillions of isk to one person because of er....we want to. Players p[retty much just slapped their foreheads.
I just don't understand how they thing sometimes. Remember this guys job is to get positive press for CCP. think about it, what positive press has CCP had in the last couple of years that weren't player done? What bad press have they had that was CCP done? Is he doing his job? |

Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
5370
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:08:00 -
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Aie.
I'd be totally, 100% sold if it's a Rift product that can be played via PC. I don't care what else it comes out on.
Mind, I'm one of those funky gamers that loves EVE and strategy games, and doesn't own a console.
But, uh, really here. While CCP shouldn't cater to its EVE demographic to the exclusion of others, getting EVE player buy-in is a solid way to ensure long-term support for the game. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
1007
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:10:00 -
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JamDunc wrote:
Someone has Hilmars ear. He has been brainwashed that the future is F2P and microtransactions. Everything you hear him say points in this direction.
What Is Heresy?
Heresy is an emotionally loaded term that is often misused. It is not the same thing as incredulity, schism, apostasy, or other sins against faith. The Catechism of the Catholic Pontifex (CCP) states, "Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and true faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of EvE Online; schism is the refusal of submission to CCP or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him" (CCP 2089).
To commit heresy, one must refuse to be corrected. A person who is ready to be corrected or who is unaware that what he has been saying is against Church teaching is not a heretic.
A person must be a capsuleer to commit heresy. This means that movements that have split off from or been influenced by EvE Online, but that do not practice EvE Online (or do not practice valid accounts), are not heresies, but separate religions. Examples include Muslims, who do not practice PvE, and JehovahGÇÖs Witnesses, who do not practice valid PvP.
Finally, the doubt or denial involved in heresy must concern a matter that has been revealed by a Dev and solemnly defined by CCP.
It is important to distinguish heresy from schism and apostasy. In schism, one separates from CCP without repudiating a defined doctrine. An example of a contemporary schism is the Society of St. Pius XGÇöthe "Lefebvrists" or followers of the late Archbishop Marcel LefebvreGÇöwho separated from the Church in the late 1980s, but who have not denied Catholic doctrines. In apostasy, one totally repudiates EvE Online and no longer even claims to be a capsuleer. High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1721
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:10:00 -
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I think you're reading too much into it. They just don't want to appear to be committing to anything before they work it all out themselves, or they'll appear to have been lying. This isn't a case of the dude in the interview trying to hide something or be dishonest - he's just exercising prudence because they're early in the design process |

JamDunc
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
59
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:10:00 -
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UPDATE: Taken from Reddit
Quote:[GÇô]nuadi Caldari 41 points 1 day ago (52|11)
To CCP devs lurking here: Guys, I understand that you're holding off before you commit to a platform. Totally get it. I'm a dev, I understand the implications. However, please look at the feedback from the PS3-only Dust. We EvE players want an accessible Valkyrie release. Dust is not very accessible to some of us, as an additional gaming system in the house is not always possible. Just, please get the feedback where it needs to be, and voice that Valkyrie would be very, very (very), welcome on PC. permalinksourcereportgive goldsave-RESreplyhide child comments
Quote:[GÇô]ccp_manifest 52 points 1 day ago (57|5) Noted. Oh damn, I'm decloaked. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
1007
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:14:00 -
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JamDunc wrote:UPDATE: Taken from Reddit
The reliable sources keep piling up High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh |

JamDunc
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
60
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:17:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:JamDunc wrote:
Someone has Hilmars ear. He has been brainwashed that the future is F2P and microtransactions. Everything you hear him say points in this direction.
What Is Heresy?
You broke my brain. |
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JamDunc
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
60
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:18:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:JamDunc wrote:UPDATE: Taken from Reddit
The reliable sources keep piling up
Sorry I forgot to link.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1p41t9/ccp_refuses_to_confirm_eve_valkyrie_on_pc/
The CCP-Manifest account has been confirmed to be the man himself. So at least we know he is listening, is he hearing though? thats a totally different question.
When things kicked off with Incarna no matter what players said all he heard was "Monicles are too expensive" it took months to break through. |

Winter Archipelago
Innocuous Infection
133
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:40:00 -
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JamDunc wrote:So at least we know he is listening, is he hearing though? thats a totally different question. I think you've got your expression reversed: you can hear something without listening, but you can't listen unless you can hear. Least-ways, that's how I've always heard that.
In regards to the topic, well, I'm one person who would love to give DUST a try, except I don't have a PS3, and have no intentions of getting one (or any other console, for that matter, though the Steam Box has been looking appealing). If Valkyrie is released as a console-only (or especially as an exclusive to a single console), that's another game I'll never be playing that looks to be quite a bit of fun. Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Ships, Mods, and Dolls. |

JamDunc
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
60
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:58:00 -
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Winter Archipelago wrote:JamDunc wrote:So at least we know he is listening, is he hearing though? thats a totally different question. I think you've got your expression reversed: you can hear something without listening, but you can't listen unless you can hear. Least-ways, that's how I've always heard that.
I did point out in an earlier post that I am not a smart man. Thanks for the correction. I am now running through past conversations in my head trying to work out how many times I sounded daft by getting that one wrong :-)
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
1012
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Posted - 2013.10.25 19:03:00 -
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JamDunc wrote: * Waves newspaper at me* See?! The Prime Minister SAID it was so!
Confirmed
Reliable source High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh |

Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2013.10.25 19:05:00 -
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Valkyrie, if it is being designed like I think it is, then it belongs on the console machine.
PC games are for big boys. The kiddy pool is that way>>>console machines. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
1013
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Posted - 2013.10.25 19:12:00 -
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Hammer Crendraven wrote:Valkyrie, if it is being designed like I think it is, then it belongs on the console machine.
PC games are for big boys. The kiddy pool is that way>>>console machines.
Yes
FLIGHT SIMS
do not belong on PCs
 High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh |

Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
469
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Posted - 2013.10.25 21:57:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:WTF ARE YOU DOING PUT THAT THING AWAY BEFORE YOU GET US ALL KILLED BETWEEN HIS HOWLING AND YOUR BLASTING ITS A WONDER THE WHOLE STATION DOESNT KNOW WE'RE HERE
Unsuccessful... tell Erotica1 to shut down all the garbage smashers on the General Discussion level! SHUT DOWN ALL THE GARBAGE SMASHERS ON THE GENERAL DISCUSSION LEVEL!!!!!! That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
482
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Posted - 2013.10.25 22:29:00 -
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Hammer Crendraven wrote:Valkyrie, if it is being designed like I think it is, then it belongs on the console machine.
PC games are for big boys. The kiddy pool is that way>>>console machines.
I wouldn't mind, but this is more development work that we're paying for that is not eve. Meanwhile we have ui improvements and ship balancing packaged as expansions, if the effort that went into dust, wod, valkyerie and numerous other side projects was done through new teams hired especially for these projects leaving eve developers to carry on with eve work things might be fine, however if all of this effort went into eve then eve would carry on being the greatest thing in sci fi gaming as opposed to its present position in which it is losing ground to new competitors with big ideas and the vision to fulfil them. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
557
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Posted - 2013.10.26 00:07:00 -
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Well Hilmar said outright that Valkyrie was created specifically because of the Occulus Rift.
This does not preclude that the rift won't also be for a console.
I mean why show it off at the shows with the Occulus Rift if it wasn't meant for the rift.
The issue that we should really be considering is not if Valkyrie is going to be console, but if this is the heralding of the Occulus Rift. From my impressions of the people using the dev kit on youtube, the OR is a revolutionary advance in gaming and if there impressions are to be taken in regards, then in five years if a game doesn't support the Occulus Rift then no one will play it because the Occulus Rift is that good.
The truth is that Hilmar has seen this and therefore has put 20 engineers dedicated to Valkyrie. They know Star Citizen will support the OR and that if they don't support it as well, they are going to be left in the Dust so to say. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
922
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Posted - 2013.10.26 04:11:00 -
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I'll be blunt; I don't know what its like in other countries, but in North America, consoles are for the projects.
Release it on console and watch the PC gamers rage. Eve is Real |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17138
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Posted - 2013.10.26 04:59:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Hammer Crendraven wrote:Valkyrie, if it is being designed like I think it is, then it belongs on the console machine.
PC games are for big boys. The kiddy pool is that way>>>console machines. Yes FLIGHT SIMS do not belong on PCs  Sure they do. Which is why Valkyrie is probably more suited for consoles.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Tennoku
Mercury Nation House of Mercury
5
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Posted - 2013.10.27 13:36:00 -
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Glad to see someone started this thread. David Reed's 'clarification' was irritating to read. A very big point about the exciting thing about Valkyrie is that it was a rift game. This is one of the big reasons people want it. So when CCP announced it was going to develop and release its oculus rift game everyone is excited about...well, we thought it would the oculus rift EVE online twitch dog-fighting game.
And as for PC, even though many people will like a space dog-fighting game, the people who are most excited about an EVE online twitch based dog-fighting game are going to be the EVE players. Other potential customers won't care so much about *which* IP a dog-fighting sim is set in. Might want to tap into that customer base.
CCP probably has a big opportunity for early sales and customers if they have a rift game out day 1 of the rift's commercial release. I don't see why you'd waste that opportunity -- particularly since it might also bring more players to the main EVE game as well.
And unity allows for cross platform development anyway. |

Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
426
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Posted - 2013.10.27 14:13:00 -
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Don't believe what CCP says. Protect yourself from CONCORD today! Tinfoil hats, quality product. Styled after pirate hats. |

Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1129
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Posted - 2013.10.27 14:44:00 -
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Wasn't David Reed not head of CCP's mobile devision trying to figure out what CCP could do there?
Valkery for iPad and mobile phone? Hmmm.
Muhahaha! |

Evei Shard
227
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Posted - 2013.10.27 17:22:00 -
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JamDunc wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:yeah i'll just leave you to rage about it then, i'll be over here chillaxing and drinking chocolate milk and i'm all outta milk    Not really rage, just frustration. When all the stuff with Incarna was building the player base kept saying no. CCP kept saying yes. Eveyone knew that releasing an expansion that pretty much consisted of one room that couldn't be modified was daft. When CCP announced Aurum players were pretty much Meh, as long as its just vanity we don't care. Then CCP went ahead and confirmed (via newsletters and emails) that they were pretty much planning on releasing ships for Aurum. Players went nuts. When CCP said they wanted to release their new game on a console right at the end of its life the players were unanimous "WTF" CCP did it anyway. When CCP decided to give trillions of isk to one person because of er....we want to. Players pretty much just slapped their foreheads. I just don't understand how they think sometimes. Remember this guys job is to get positive press for CCP. Think about it, what positive press has CCP had in the last couple of years that wasn't player done? What bad press have they had that was CCP done? Is he doing his job?
As long as they still make money off subs and such, they are going to do whatever they feel like doing. It's not just CCP, but many game companies are now completely focused on profit, caring only for the users when the users start to not pay for the game. Once the subscription rates or microtransactions are back to acceptable levels, the companies dive right back into not giving a rats ass about the customers. Profit favors the prepared |

Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2013.10.27 18:09:00 -
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CCP has their heads up their bums when it comes to adding onto the EVE world with these other games.
It is like they are on that island from the TV series lost. |

Kate stark
753
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Posted - 2013.10.27 18:18:00 -
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every time i hear a game won't be out on pc, my interest in it magically disappears. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |

Sirinda
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
220
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Posted - 2013.10.27 18:33:00 -
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What do you mean Valkyrie might not be released for PC?
I'm ******* grabbing my ******* pitchfork right ******* now! ******* ****! :X |

Larg Kellein
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
45
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Posted - 2013.10.27 19:14:00 -
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Unless I missed something making Eve accounts cross-platform (Dust ones aren't, you sign in with a PSN account to that), they've painted themselves into a "must release on PC" corner. The CE Mystery Code is redeemed to an Eve account and provides an asset for Valyrie, in the form of a templar (an Amarrian fighter used by carriers). |

Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
199
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Posted - 2013.10.27 19:26:00 -
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worth plexing my account just to watch CCP continue to shoot themselves in the foot  |
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2293
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Posted - 2013.10.27 20:08:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Don't believe what CCP says.
Source reliability, you saw it on...
...the official forums: Wiggles! Wiggles! ...a player forum: <1% ...a player news source: <3% ...a private news source: <10% ...a CCP tweet: <15% ...Fanfest: <20% ...a dev post on the forums: <25% ...a CSM official statement: <30% ...a devblog: <40% ...a "in development" video: <50% ...the Test Server: if good, >50%, if bad, >75%, if bad and terribly opposed >99.99% The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |

Arec Bardwin
1170
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Posted - 2013.10.27 20:31:00 -
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Money Makin Mitch wrote:worth plexing my account just to watch CCP continue to shoot themselves in the foot  They surely must be on their last legs by now 
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Ned Black
Driders
68
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Posted - 2013.10.27 20:36:00 -
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Hammer Crendraven wrote:Valkyrie, if it is being designed like I think it is, then it belongs on the console machine.
PC games are for big boys. The kiddy pool is that way>>>console machines.
I for one love flight games where every key on the keyboard have 3 different functions (Freespace 1 and 2/AH-64 games)... todays games are mostly dumbed down to fit a console control... and that takes a lot of the fun out of it if you ask me.
My absolute favorite would be a valkyri game where you had to press buttons inside your virtual cockpit in order to make them happen. Then you really would add skill to the mix. The more complex the more fun it is if you ask me.... I know that is just a wet dream that will never come true however... games of today are way to easy and coddling.
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
146
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Posted - 2013.10.27 20:45:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:seems pretty normal for designers to avoid the question of what platforms the game's being released on early on. i think they have to figure things out with the publisher and console manufacturers first. so don't panic, eh
Absolutely. If you follow corporate stuff in general (like outside of game design) you'll understand some of the delicacies like negotiating licensing fee s for patents held by others that worm their way into lots of ui and potocol stuff...especially when there are cross platform uses.
The terms access can be had by smartphone might very well require adjustments to pc api access to allow smartphone networks to earn some stream of value or preserve the notion that people using smartphones must go through their store. Etc
Im just naming one idea. Companies in one area do try to get their tentacles into others and even if you rebuff ideas you need to retain the notion that you can shift things around on the table and be reasonably open to hearing concerns and finding adjustment sthat don't compromise either s goals
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Chance Harper
Northen Star Corporation
17
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Posted - 2013.10.28 01:10:00 -
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well, let them make it for console only. Going to be the same fail like Dust 514. What CCP always seems to forget is, that its Us pc players who pay for the developement of those games and then they release it F2P as a console exclusive game.
Good job CCP. |

Raneru
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
65
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Posted - 2013.10.30 11:44:00 -
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If Valkyrie isn't released on PC, I wont be a happy bunny 
I can't see it not being released on PC though. Hillmar backed the Oculus rift kickstarter and they had the Oculus guys come to fanfest and demo Valkyrie on the rift. So to suddenly turn round after that and say "sorry we got a better offer" would not be very nice... |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2343
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:16:00 -
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Raneru wrote:If Valkyrie isn't released on PC, I wont be a happy bunny  I can't see it not being released on PC though. Hillmar backed the Oculus rift kickstarter and they had the Oculus guys come to fanfest and demo Valkyrie on the rift. So to suddenly turn round after that and say "sorry we got a better offer" would not be very nice...
Try being a WiSer if you want to know what CCP is capable of, in terms of "not being nice". The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4799
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Posted - 2013.10.30 16:39:00 -
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Chance Harper wrote:well, let them make it for console only. Going to be the same fail like Dust 514. What CCP always seems to forget is, that its Us pc players who pay for the developement of those games and then they release it F2P as a console exclusive game.
Good job CCP. We PC players pay for access to this game.
What CCP does with the money after that is their business, not yours.
They could just as easily take their profits and invest them in an Icelandic fishing fleet if they preferred, and people would complain that they weren't consulted on the type of nets being used. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
196
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Posted - 2013.10.30 16:50:00 -
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"The Oculus Rift developer kit will target PC-only. We hope to make the headset compatible with major consoles and mobile devices in the future."
- Occulus Rift dev team
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Quartz Silver
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.10.30 16:54:00 -
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this is what i think to this topic. |
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JamDunc
Team JK
71
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Posted - 2013.11.03 01:01:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:We PC players pay for access to this game.
What CCP does with the money after that is their business, not yours.
They could just as easily take their profits and invest them in an Icelandic fishing fleet if they preferred, and people would complain that they weren't consulted on the type of nets being used.
Its less about being mad how CCP spend the money and more about watching CCP waste potential.
Look at the growth rates of Eve. The game grew rapidly until around Apocrypha expansion. It also happens to be around that time they pulled a lot of focus away from Eve and started spending large amounts of cash on Dust and World of darkness. As more and more focus was pumped into these new projects eve got less and less resources given to it and things started to fall apart. As new content steadily decreased the player numbers stopped growing. the players naturally (rightly or wrongly) believe that if CCP had pumped all that money into Eve we would have continued to see the population grow.
One things a fact, no way has Dust been a great investment so far. Now we see their new game heading down a bad path too. |

IDGAD
Get in the van I have candy.
40
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Posted - 2013.11.03 01:59:00 -
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JamDunc wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:We PC players pay for access to this game.
What CCP does with the money after that is their business, not yours.
They could just as easily take their profits and invest them in an Icelandic fishing fleet if they preferred, and people would complain that they weren't consulted on the type of nets being used. Its less about being mad how CCP spend the money and more about watching CCP waste potential. Look at the growth rates of Eve. The game grew rapidly until around Apocrypha expansion. It also happens to be around that time they pulled a lot of focus away from Eve and started spending large amounts of cash on Dust and World of darkness. As more and more focus was pumped into these new projects eve got less and less resources given to it and things started to fall apart. As new content steadily decreased the player numbers stopped growing. the players naturally (rightly or wrongly) believe that if CCP had pumped all that money into Eve we would have continued to see the population grow. One things a fact, no way has Dust been a great investment so far. Now we see their new game heading down a bad path too.
I believe the reason they are focusing more on WoD right now is because the White Wolf publishing acquisition DID NOT integrate these employees into CCP. Yes WWP is under CCP, but the teams do not work on any EVE related products, so they were basically being paid to sit around and either do nothing, or develop World of Twilight (darkness). CCP kind of screwed themselves over with that acquisition I believe, since it was a LONG time ago and they barely have anything to show for it yet.
I'm pretty sure the reason development for EVE has slowed down more due to the split in creating the DUST team, and mismanagement of the company that has lead to the last few stagnant expansions. CCP has told us of a GRAND plan that would be worthy of an expansion like a FULL POS remake including possible custom location POS, and even some totally new exploration mechanics where we could discover new systems. All of this has been delayed, delayed, and delayed again due to the incompetence, or just sheer lack of organization and manpower to pull it off. This of course does not include the big issue of corruption within the company.
The funny thing is an old corpmate of mine who I can never tell is joking made a rather interesting point that CCP very well may be looking to sell themselves off to another company. The slim down in devs, the slow down in production, and the overall stagnation that seems to be dwelling within CCP seems to kind of point to such a thing especially with all the rumors going around. |

JamDunc
Team JK
71
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Posted - 2013.11.03 11:24:00 -
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IDGAD wrote:The funny thing is an old corpmate of mine who I can never tell is joking made a rather interesting point that CCP very well may be looking to sell themselves off to another company. The slim down in devs, the slow down in production, and the overall stagnation that seems to be dwelling within CCP seems to kind of point to such a thing especially with all the rumors going around.
If that was the case, they are going to EA. Pretty much every major position thats come up over the last few years has gone to an EA guy.
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ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
313
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Posted - 2013.11.03 12:18:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:In the general press (CNN, blah blah blah, etc.) I keep reading all this stuff about the Death of the PC.
Sounds like it, if this is how game developers are thinking already.
I,m sick of hearing death of the PC they will be around for another 10 years yet and beyond I reckon You only-árealise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead. |

Atlantis Fuanan
Uncharted Skies Cerberus Unleashed
52
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Posted - 2013.11.03 12:29:00 -
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That's awesome... having a great idea, getting a nice piece of hardware that actually can be used and then screw it all up by "not confirming it on pc" (already!). Yes, please CCP, get this on Console done, port it then on PC like every good game is screwed up these days, and then hold up a white piece of cloth to measure the shitstorm that will come at you. Are Developer these days trying to achieve the "worst Company"-Award? Things that would make EVE better: NRDS - Remove Local - Balance Cloak - Sov-Mechanic Changes - Less QQ |

Xeracotyl
Modern Caliba Corp
20
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Posted - 2013.11.03 18:30:00 -
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Oh please.
I dont think real Valkyrie enthusiasts have anything to worry about if they plan on buying that game when it comes out because prior to the first ever official release of a finished VR game on the consumer Rift product in next year or so, the idea of what best platform to develop these type of new games on is still widely agreeable that its only on the pc.
As a game touted to be created for the VR experience, this is now what people expect to play so youre going to have a hard time finding any platform other than a pc that will support it (legally). If you know anything about the Rift and its devs' plans you know they only have hopes that one day, to be allowed future console integration. In that case there hasnt been a chance to mitigate with any of the console giants on plans that would actually decide whether to support an unfinished 3rd party product and how much, into their fundamental marketing and system infrastructure, or decide create VR tech themselves. How do you convince the Sonys Microsofts and Nintendo's not to research a product they could look at and probably decide to develop and produce themselves in a couple years in order to amend new profit strings from meanwhile only placate specifically to their console gamer market like they normally do? This is what they would want.
Atm simply put no high end or indie developer who is making a game now is anxious enough to start making their VR enabled games for consoles at this early stage. Safest bet now for enthusiasts of VR technology and the like has been to keep pushing the authenticity and limits of design for new products and/or games they create with the technology squarely focused on the pc which in of itself advances with creators symbiotically every year under the speed of light. So for the foreseeable future you will no doubt begin to see VR aimed games be perfected on the pc first before we see a transition to consoles. I can think big just like you, but smaller things seem to get themselves done a lot faster. Setting waypoints. |

Xeracotyl
Modern Caliba Corp
20
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Posted - 2013.11.03 19:05:00 -
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Atlantis Fuanan wrote:That's awesome... having a great idea, getting a nice piece of hardware that actually can be used and then screw it all up by "not confirming it on pc" (already!). Yes, please CCP, get this on Console done, port it then on PC like every good game is screwed up these days, and then hold up a white piece of cloth to measure the shitstorm that will come at you. Are Developer these days trying to achieve the "worst Company"-Award?
Again Id hate to see all the stumps put on a game that you could wholly produce on a PC all day with todays open ended capabilities, VR enabling it and not doing so on the pc first? But CCP will turn away from the consumer who would support them first only to bring back a console port of a new game made for VR?? I must be missing out on how many console gamers are supporting CCP games right now? I can think big just like you, but smaller things seem to get themselves done a lot faster. Setting waypoints. |

Agallis Zinthros
Evolution Northern Coalition.
17
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Posted - 2013.11.04 18:50:00 -
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I will unsub if CCP launches it on consoles before PC. PS4 is confirmed too weak for Oculus Rift (which needs 1080P *AND* 60 FPS, of which PS4 can only choose onne or the other, Sony rumored to be making an over-priced 720P knock-off). |
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