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fattox4189
Kenshin.
Against ALL Authorities
2
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Posted - 2013.10.26 13:16:00 -
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This one is aimed at CCP. If you're not CCP, I'm sure your opinion on the EULA is worth something but not what the answer from someone who actually works at the company is worth.
Basically, it's like this. I am studying mechanical engineering, and own a reasonable 3D printer. Nothing that can do multicolour, but I have the ability to print the base models of ships.
My question is this: is there any method of selling printed models for people to paint or display, that isn't in breach of the EULA? I'd prefer to do it on a raffle type system, where everyone purchases a ticket for a set price, in ISK. I generate a table giving everyone who enters a number, the computer generates three random numbers and the corresponding players get a ship of their choice printed and sent to them. Any size printable for 1st place, as long as it fits on the bed of my printer, 200mm max dimension for 2nd and 100mm max for 3rd.
That or just take orders depending on size for ISK.
So CCP legal people, is there a way of this that could be considered to not be in breach of the EULA that you would be happy with?
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3357
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Posted - 2013.10.26 13:24:00 -
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GL getting someone from CCP to answer such a sensitive issue in GD of all places. Best bet is to email them about it. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle
Tactical Narcotics Team
1332
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Posted - 2013.10.26 13:38:00 -
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A similar question was answered the other day...
It'll go along the lines of "This is Intellectual Property, you sell it, expect a call from our legal department."
Support my (possibly dumb) Ideas!!
Worm Rebalance!!! |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
63570
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Posted - 2013.10.26 13:42:00 -
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fattox4189 wrote:This one is aimed at CCP. If you're not CCP, I'm sure your opinion on the EULA is worth something but not what the answer from someone who actually works at the company is worth.
Basically, it's like this. I am studying mechanical engineering, and own a reasonable 3D printer. Nothing that can do multicolour, but I have the ability to print the base models of ships.
My question is this: is there any method of selling printed models for people to paint or display, that isn't in breach of the EULA? I'd prefer to do it on a raffle type system, where everyone purchases a ticket for a set price, in ISK. I generate a table giving everyone who enters a number, the computer generates three random numbers and the corresponding players get a ship of their choice printed and sent to them. Any size printable for 1st place, as long as it fits on the bed of my printer, 200mm max dimension for 2nd and 100mm max for 3rd.
That or just take orders depending on size for ISK.
So CCP legal people, is there a way of this that could be considered to not be in breach of the EULA that you would be happy with?
This is the same as making a personal Mix-Tape back in the 80's then trying to sell it.
It's not that hard to reason this answer at all.
And you had to actually start a thread and demand an answer form a CCP employee ? Someone is just bored this Saturday.
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
242
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Posted - 2013.10.26 15:18:00 -
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Wouldn't starting a Petition be faster? After all, you'd be talking DIRECTLY to CCP representatives. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
63633
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Posted - 2013.10.26 15:26:00 -
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Himnos Altar wrote:Wouldn't starting a Petition be faster? After all, you'd be talking DIRECTLY to CCP representatives.
Yup. But even then they are not going to give anything resembling an answer till it's all been finished being combed for legal holes.
It's going to be awhile in either case. Quite awhile.
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.10.26 16:04:00 -
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The only forum answer you'll ever get from CCP on these subjects is "make a petition". |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
641
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Posted - 2013.10.26 16:07:00 -
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Of course it'd be against their EULA or TOS. You'd be infringing on their intellectual property to do this. If you wanna make money, just design your own stuff, and sell it instead of relying on someone else's designs.
*removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |
Murk Paradox
Duty.
The Cursed Few
579
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Posted - 2013.10.26 16:10:00 -
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If you sell it for isk, you aren't making any money.
This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation.
Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
63656
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Posted - 2013.10.26 16:14:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:If you sell it for isk, you aren't making any money.
Just give me a minute to squeeze that 3D Printed Rifter into my Computer Tower so it can get ingame and be sold for ISK legally.
Jeebus the brains are getting smaller and smaller in here with each and every passing day.
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
destiny2
Perkone
Caldari State
206
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Posted - 2013.10.26 16:15:00 -
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send a message to them via pention like customer service or something. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
63658
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Posted - 2013.10.26 16:41:00 -
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destiny2 wrote:send a message to them via pention like customer service or something.
Pention is a non-existent word. Or something.
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1606
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Posted - 2013.10.26 16:48:00 -
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Really? Same question in one week? Search works btw
And your question was answered in the other thread
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=289463&find=unread
TLDR has nothing to do with the EULA, but CCP's intellectual property is protected. So no you cannot sell them for real money. |
Baggo Hammers
185
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Posted - 2013.10.26 16:48:00 -
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So you want to make money from other's ideas? What could be wrong with that?
If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there. |
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
297
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Posted - 2013.10.26 17:11:00 -
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I recently got my hands on some industrial tools and press dies. I am able to produce the new 2013 Camaro in my own warehouse. I will salvage the engine, tranny, suspension, etc parts from collision write offs and build the Camaros in my own shop.
I will be starting production on Monday.
On Tuesday I expect letters from GM lawyers in my box.
On Wednesday I expect my business to shut down.
On Thursday I expect to lose everything I own.
On Friday I expect to meet a shady gun salesman in a run down motel.
On Saturday I expect to swallow one bullet.
On Sunday I.....
Ya, u c wut I did tharrrrrr..... |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
63757
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Posted - 2013.10.26 18:43:00 -
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Mr. Orange wrote:
Ya, u c wut I did tharrrrrr.....
Not really. In fact: no.
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
297
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Posted - 2013.10.26 19:15:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Mr. Orange wrote:
Ya, u c wut I did tharrrrrr.....
Not really. In fact: no.
I feel sorry for your neighbour's dog.
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fattox4189
Kenshin.
Against ALL Authorities
2
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Posted - 2013.10.28 03:21:00 -
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Valid responses, but it doesn't actually answer my question. I don't have any interest whatsoever in selling them for real money, only for in-game currency such as plex, or directly for ISK.
I can see where the idea is coming from too, and I know straight off the bat that selling them for real money would count as RMT/ IP theft. Hell, when I made them available for other users to print on Thingiverse I wrote a little paragraph stating that they are IP and Copyright of CCP Games, and mentioned the whole RMT/EULA breaches thing. I understand law, but I want to know whether selling them for ISK is still in breach. Having said that, the email address given in that other thread is where my next point of call will be, on top of petitions.
Thanks for the responses guize |
Seraph Essael
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
145
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Posted - 2013.10.28 03:46:00 -
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fattox4189 wrote:Valid responses, but it doesn't actually answer my question. I don't have any interest whatsoever in selling them for real money, only for in-game currency such as plex, or directly for ISK.
I can see where the idea is coming from too, and I know straight off the bat that selling them for real money would count as RMT/ IP theft. Hell, when I made them available for other users to print on Thingiverse I wrote a little paragraph stating that they are IP and Copyright of CCP Games, and mentioned the whole RMT/EULA breaches thing. I understand law, but I want to know whether selling them for ISK is still in breach. Having said that, the email address given in that other thread is where my next point of call will be, on top of petitions.
Thanks for the responses guize
10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items.
Straight from their Terms Of Service
In-game sales of in-game items... Your 3D printed ships would be an out of game item... So in other words, you cannot sell out of game items for in game ISK.
Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
577
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Posted - 2013.10.28 04:05:00 -
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I've got all this jewellery that *COUGH* totally fell off the back of this lorry. It's all nice gold and diamonds and shiny! Start your isk raffle bids now!! 
Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Kyia Jadeflare
Lego Legion Labs
0
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Posted - 2013.10.28 04:15:00 -
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I'm sure it will be fine if you just raffle it off.... |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
488
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Posted - 2013.10.28 04:16:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:I've got all this jewellery that *COUGH* totally fell off the back of this lorry. It's all nice gold and diamonds and shiny! Start your isk raffle bids now!!
I love it when stuff "falls off the back of a lorry"..... some of my favorite possessions have been acquired like that.
It happens more often than one would think.
That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2013.10.28 04:26:00 -
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Baggo Hammers wrote:So you want to make money from other's ideas? What could be wrong with that?
Go to any anime, video game, sci-fi con, etc and spread this word to those seller booths selling custom artwork featuring characters, or costumes bearing star trek insignia, buttons featuring franchise logos, and about 90% of any of the goods there to be bought that's not just simply reselling already packaged retail items.
Anyway.... couldn't someone give such items for free, but then just charge an exorbitant amount for "shipping and handling". |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
True Zombies
863
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Posted - 2013.10.28 12:57:00 -
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Only if Somer Stink does it first.
Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me.
Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
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lollerwaffle
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
105
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:19:00 -
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Actually....
Back in the day of the old forums, around 2007/2008 ish, I remember some people actually used to sell out of game services such as designing/making forum signatures etc, which technically was selling an out of game service for in game isk.
Wouldn't this be analogous to what was previously permitted by CCP?
Just playing devil's advocate here. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
381
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:22:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:Actually....
Back in the day of the old forums, around 2007/2008 ish, I remember some people actually used to sell out of game services such as designing/making forum signatures etc, which technically was selling an out of game service for in game isk.
Wouldn't this be analogous to what was previously permitted by CCP?
Just playing devil's advocate here.
This. It still happens in the form of news sites and killboards.
Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
lollerwaffle
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
105
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:26:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:lollerwaffle wrote:Actually....
Back in the day of the old forums, around 2007/2008 ish, I remember some people actually used to sell out of game services such as designing/making forum signatures etc, which technically was selling an out of game service for in game isk.
Wouldn't this be analogous to what was previously permitted by CCP?
Just playing devil's advocate here. This. It still happens in the form of news sites and killboards.
It is, however, infringement of CCP's IP, and can land you into RL legal trouble.
Just wondering though, because forum signatures used to make use of either the avatar pictures, or images of ships etc., and so would be analogous to a physical model of EVE ships? |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation
Public Disorder.
604
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:35:00 -
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Slowly but shurly (dont call me shurly) making a 3d printed chess set... of eve ships... (need more vertical ships, hard to make some of them fit in a square lol)... not rushing it, but hoping to present it at fanfest, painted and complete...
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Nulla Curas |
Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2013.10.28 17:00:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:Actually....
Back in the day of the old forums, around 2007/2008 ish, I remember some people actually used to sell out of game services such as designing/making forum signatures etc, which technically was selling an out of game service for in game isk.
Wouldn't this be analogous to what was previously permitted by CCP?
Just playing devil's advocate here.
And I'm sure plenty of the wonderful propaganda posters and fliers made for militias or alliances in war might've been done for isk.
Not sure why CCP doesn't allow it today, in fact, due to the nature of what they're trying to represent with EVE they should practically encourage that sort of internal growth and fruition. So many ways to make your isk and hammered into our heads that we make what we will out of this universe, so why not also have talent and skills pay off. I'm sure that if EVE were 'real' there would be lots of design and contract work from the empires, corps, and alliances for some really nice recruitment posters and war propaganda. |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy
Caldari State
263
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Posted - 2013.10.28 17:06:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Of course it'd be against their EULA or TOS. You'd be infringing on their intellectual property to do this. If you wanna make money, just design your own stuff, and sell it instead of relying on someone else's designs.
Mask what you want to do beneath a gambling website/lottery and all things become possible for 'valued contributors' to the community. |
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