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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22186
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Posted - 2013.10.27 21:06:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Players creating content..
Thought that was a good thing? Depends on the "content"... that word is used very liberally in EVE. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
435
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Posted - 2013.10.27 21:46:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Players creating content..
Thought that was a good thing? Depends on the "content"... that word is used very liberally in EVE.
I usually feel the urge to create content in the mornings, right after I get done with a cup of coffee. |
Gealbhan
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
463
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Posted - 2013.10.27 22:00:00 -
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Goons are seriously misunderstood. Think of how boring EvE would be without them. |
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
58
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Posted - 2013.10.27 22:24:00 -
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I dont know, everyone always told me how horrible and annoying the goons were. Frankly I think jimmy 300 and erotica are much better at sh*tting up the short bus that is hi-sec "content". Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur.-á |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4968
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Posted - 2013.10.27 22:28:00 -
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that's because progodlegend's coalition is working actively to contain us using his soulstone There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Ursula Thrace
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
167
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Posted - 2013.10.27 22:50:00 -
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Gold Lyle wrote:This is a public message for the DMs.
Just some minutes ago a fleet of goons in destroyers have blown up my very old golem. Well played, and well, it is the way in wich the things works. And no so hard to me because the ship was more than paid, it was the original one, the only marauder i have bought and it was flying since the marauders exists. Normally i dislike the BS size ships, but the golems was cute in shape.
I suppouse that now the goons thought that the ppl harvesting LPs from the SoE are some kind of evil or whatever, and they have started the whateverLPggedon on Osmon. I had enough bad luck to be hunted just when i was 10 minutes to stop to harvesting LPs, in the last mission i thought i need. BTW i has been working for SoE in Osmon during years, i have been giving SoE probes for friends and so on.
I have no problem with that kind of things, they are part of the game -although in this case the bad luck for me it is clear. But for me there is a problem with all that whateverggedon things that goons do in high sec. It is a role playing problem. By now it is clear that the goon alliance does periodically that kind of action inside of the empires, clear illegal actions, with clear objetives, as a nation trying to change behaivours,etc.. So goon alliance it is, following the internal logic of the game, a pirate nation -similar to sansha's one, for instance- and the empires should consider it like that.
I have no time to play the null regions game. And now it is clear that the goons are bored to have a realm out there, and they are trying to manage the high sec as their own space. So i need to know if the NPC are going to react with logic against the biggest player alliances when they acts like pirates, or i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too, not only by the ancient war mechanism.
Thank you, for this great game, but, please, clarify the nature of it.
-I really hope that the DMs will give me a clear answer-
well-played OP, well-played.
trololololol
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
488
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Posted - 2013.10.27 23:00:00 -
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Op,nothing is special, all ships are disposable, you got to suck it up and do the right thing, plan your revenge. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
282
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Posted - 2013.10.27 23:24:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:... Not a single one of these big fish have held the space they own from the start. We all took our space from other big fish in clashes the other MMOs can only dream of.
Clashes that quite a large number of hisec dwellers wouldn't have a clue about. Srsly Baltec, i've read your posts for years, did you sell your account to some humorless dung-punching sh1tlord or what?
Talk about putting a tank on a miner? Right there is where you contradict yourself. If some turbo-bear started talking about how he mines afk in 0.9 because he has the finest tank a hulk ever had you would meet it with enough dps. The point has been made, they can't defend themselves, that doesn't make them inferior, just vulnerable. Damn son, you log on to look down on people or something?
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Zsaryna Adrelana
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
126
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Posted - 2013.10.27 23:29:00 -
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Their loss then. But it's not hard to look at D scan, or pay appropriate levels of attention to what you're doing. Keep checking D for suspicious activity, such as catalysts appearin, and you'll be fine and breezy. It is not the responsibility of the cheetah or the hyena to make sure the gazelle can run away or shoot back. This post does not constitute, unless clearly indicated otherwise, a statement of policy, opinion or approval by my corporation, alliance or coalition and should not be treated as such. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22186
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Posted - 2013.10.27 23:33:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Damn son, you log on to look down on people or something? Ahm... the game stagnates and so do the regulars? Dunno... just a guess. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4971
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Posted - 2013.10.28 00:11:00 -
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Zsaryna Adrelana wrote:Their loss then. But it's not hard to look at D scan, or pay appropriate levels of attention to what you're doing. Keep checking D for suspicious activity, such as catalysts appearin, and you'll be fine and breezy. It is not the responsibility of the cheetah or the hyena to make sure the gazelle can run away or shoot back. The cheetah can warp cloaked though There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4971
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Posted - 2013.10.28 00:12:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Damn son, you log on to look down on people or something? Ahm... the game stagnates and so do the regulars? Dunno... just a guess. Let's face it... for many of us it has stopped being fun a long time ago... it just is "there"... like a habit. *shrugs* Lyris Nairn, addicted to shooting structures. This might happen to you, too, if you don't have supercaps to use. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3201
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Posted - 2013.10.28 00:20:00 -
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Rekon X wrote:Goons cower in null surrounded by their bought off alliances on all sides. They need to gank high sec ships to feel relevant. What else can they do?
That so much butt hurt you missed the contradiction of saying someone is cowering in null while also ganking in high sec...
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1047
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Posted - 2013.10.28 00:20:00 -
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Not everyone that euthanizes decadent mission ships is a Goon.
I'm not a member of Goonswarm, and have no interest in ever becoming one, but just last weekend I euthanized a part faction, part deadspace fit Navy Apocalypse in one of the systems with the new Sisters L4 agents.
You can read about the backstory on www.minerbumping.com if you get there today (it's in the Kills of the Week article). https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. The difference between an enemy and a friend is that you stab your enemies in the front. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4976
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Posted - 2013.10.28 00:48:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Rekon X wrote:Goons cower in null surrounded by their bought off alliances on all sides. They need to gank high sec ships to feel relevant. What else can they do? That so much butt hurt you missed the contradiction of saying someone is cowering in null while also ganking in high sec... Any moment now progodlegend is going to roll into deklein and we'll have to cower in highsec There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
1792
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Posted - 2013.10.28 00:51:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Rekon X wrote:Goons cower in null surrounded by their bought off alliances on all sides. They need to gank high sec ships to feel relevant. What else can they do? That so much butt hurt you missed the contradiction of saying someone is cowering in null while also ganking in high sec... Any moment now progodlegend is going to roll into deklein and we'll have to cower in highsec
I, too, will feel bad for the Goons when they take over all of Nullsec except maybe Providence. Everyone else will be fighting over that last sliver while Goons are bored to death. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Zsaryna Adrelana
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
126
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Posted - 2013.10.28 01:03:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Zsaryna Adrelana wrote:Their loss then. But it's not hard to look at D scan, or pay appropriate levels of attention to what you're doing. Keep checking D for suspicious activity, such as catalysts appearin, and you'll be fine and breezy. It is not the responsibility of the cheetah or the hyena to make sure the gazelle can run away or shoot back. The cheetah can warp cloaked though
True enough, though the cheetah would probably make a dreadful gank boat. That would be an interesting experiment to run I guess This post does not constitute, unless clearly indicated otherwise, a statement of policy, opinion or approval by my corporation, alliance or coalition and should not be treated as such. |
Ryhss
Dry Atomic Fusion Gatekeepers Universe
128
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Posted - 2013.10.28 01:44:00 -
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beancounter Jaynara wrote:Ryhss wrote:Baaldor wrote:Wtf is a DM? I've played D&D for 30 years. The world has truly changed where a man can admit this openly. You are a special person and I heart you for your specialness. I'm 40, I don't give a rats butt what people think about my D&D obsession. I just turned into an egg, did I level up? |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2041
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Posted - 2013.10.28 01:47:00 -
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Quote:So i need to know if the NPC are going to react with logic against the biggest player alliances when they acts like pirates, or i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too, not only by the ancient war mechanism.
You sound like you're asking CONCORD to treat us the way it treats NPC pirates.
I will take your recommendation to CCP. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1319
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Posted - 2013.10.28 01:48:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Quote:So i need to know if the NPC are going to react with logic against the biggest player alliances when they acts like pirates, or i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too, not only by the ancient war mechanism. You sound like you're asking CONCORD to treat us the way it treats NPC pirates. I will take your recommendation to CCP.
The very second I hear about this being a thing, I am putting in my tenbux. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
284
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Posted - 2013.10.28 02:04:00 -
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Zsaryna Adrelana wrote:Their loss then. But it's not hard to look at D scan, or pay appropriate levels of attention to what you're doing. Keep checking D for suspicious activity, such as catalysts appearin, and you'll be fine and breezy. It is not the responsibility of the cheetah or the hyena to make sure the gazelle can run away or shoot back.
Ah the simplistic predator prey argument, yes. No amount of checking d-scan will defend either miners or mission runners or haulers from lolganking. Flip the situation, anything those pilots do will be countered. There was a half-baked movement by some guys to ninja into null and mine n mission away, an attempt to do something different. The thread it was announced on filled up with promises of counters. Yes people do hot-drop destroyers. They do drop Archon reps to save a single Myrm from dying to a small gang of noob rifters.
The situation: They cannot go to null or even lowsec without getting utterly destroyed or owned as pets. No amount of intel, scouting, perches, logi, spies or instawarps stops them from being wiped the f out.
Bottled up in hisec, being warped in on and smashed by gank fit dessies and tornadoes doesn't make them stupid or weak or cowardly or anything, just unlucky and at the mercy of people who live where 99% of all asteroids never get touched.
Hey don't get me wrong i've lived in null solo and as part of an alliance. I've disco phooned the Perimeter gates and thrasher whacked the odd retriever. I've never had a hisec pilot i've hit say "Well played, you hit my hisec alt."
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
224
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Posted - 2013.10.28 02:18:00 -
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Gold Lyle wrote:This is a public message for the DMs.
I know there's some CCP employee scratching his head saying "We got a message for the "DMs"... Where do I find them at?" |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12150
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Posted - 2013.10.28 02:29:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote: I've never had a hisec pilot i've hit say "Well played, you hit my hisec alt."
Well yeah, I use perch points in Amamake, Rancer and other lo-sec hotspots so I trololol past your Disco phoons with my hi-sec alt. I used to make a couple of runs a week from Minmatar space direct to Jita in a blockade runner full of Angel loot, right through those worst lo-sec systems and right through the most "dangerous" hi-sec systems too. Using the most elementary tactics that any only-been-in-null-for-a-month noob is expected to know, I never even came close to losing a cargo, purely and simply because I am aware of the biggest danger that one faces in empire: the false assumption that it's safe.
1 Kings 12:11
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
911
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Posted - 2013.10.28 02:38:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Gold Lyle wrote:This is a public message for the DMs.
I know there's some CCP employee scratching his head saying "We got a message for the "DMs"... Where do I find them at?"
I cast light missile.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12153
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Posted - 2013.10.28 02:39:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:IIshira wrote:Gold Lyle wrote:This is a public message for the DMs.
I know there's some CCP employee scratching his head saying "We got a message for the "DMs"... Where do I find them at?" I cast light missile.
I dual-wield my Falcon
1 Kings 12:11
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Zsaryna Adrelana
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
126
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Posted - 2013.10.28 02:55:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Zsaryna Adrelana wrote:Their loss then. But it's not hard to look at D scan, or pay appropriate levels of attention to what you're doing. Keep checking D for suspicious activity, such as catalysts appearin, and you'll be fine and breezy. It is not the responsibility of the cheetah or the hyena to make sure the gazelle can run away or shoot back. Ah the simplistic predator prey argument, yes. No amount of checking d-scan will defend either miners or mission runners or haulers from lolganking. Flip the situation, anything those pilots do will be countered. There was a half-baked movement by some guys to ninja into null and mine n mission away, an attempt to do something different. The thread it was announced on filled up with promises of counters. Yes people do hot-drop destroyers. They do drop Archon reps to save a single Myrm from dying to a small gang of noob rifters. The situation: They cannot go to null or even lowsec without getting utterly destroyed or owned as pets. No amount of intel, scouting, perches, logi, spies or instawarps stops them from being wiped the f out. Bottled up in hisec, being warped in on and smashed by gank fit dessies and tornadoes doesn't make them stupid or weak or cowardly or anything, just unlucky and at the mercy of people who live where 99% of all asteroids never get touched. Hey don't get me wrong i've lived in null solo and as part of an alliance. I've disco phooned the Perimeter gates and thrasher whacked the odd retriever. I've never had a hisec pilot i've hit say "Well played, you hit my hisec alt."
Your point being? Anything my target wants to do can be countered by the simple application of moar DPS. They tank, I bring a friend. They brijg remote reps, I bring another or possibly a third to tunnel through those reps. However that comes to a snarling halt around about the time I decide there's easier things to shoot. I'm bringing five catalysts to kill a hulk with remote reps or something, when for a fifth of the effort I could bag a hulk that has not put in any effort to protect himself. To use the predator prey analogy, why would I go for a pack of wildebeest when for less effort I could just go for the lone ailing one.
I fail to see how checking D scan will not save you. You're mining away and a catalyst appears on D scan, you can just align out and the moment he lands on grid, you just warp out, it's a simple solution. He won't be able to catch you, since to do so involves applying a massive amount of DPS instantaneously as opposed to over th course of several seconds. In fact you'll be gone by the time he's locked you up, if you're aligned and ready to go. You don't even need friends or remote reps.
Another point you fail to notice is that anything I do, you can counter. Bring guardian remote reps to the party and your chances of survival lengthen greatly since cost to kill you outweighs potential benefit. Bring mercs to watch the gates for incoming catalysts or thrashers, keep an eye on local for well known gankers and put them on your watch list so you know they're online a din the area. Bring mercs to counter gank the gankers. Of course all this requires effort on your part.
This post does not constitute, unless clearly indicated otherwise, a statement of policy, opinion or approval by my corporation, alliance or coalition and should not be treated as such. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
14489
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Posted - 2013.10.28 03:04:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Gold Lyle wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Gold Lyle wrote:i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too, not only by the ancient war mechanism. EVE has always been a PvP game, regardless of the sec area. PvP is allowed and expected everywhere, including highsec. Only the consequences of PvP vary between regions. NPCs will continue reacting to PvP with the same logic they have used for years. Not at all. The suicide thing it is relatively new, and that the main alliance works like a pirate faction is really recent. This is not the same thing that the old fashion war. Holy .... have you even played eve for the last 6+ years ? Heh, OP is correct.
I started playing this game well over 5 years ago. There wasn't any Ninja Salvagers and very rarely did you hear about a mission invasion (mostly Cosmos related). There definitely wasn't any gangs of cheap ship fits roaming around high security looking to suicide gank mining ships. It was mainly about can flipping and setting up bait to trigger combat back then.
The only time you actually heard about a suicide gank was when a Freighter overloaded with bling loot on autopilot was waylaid at the gate to Jita. A few years ago the Hulkageddon crapola started happening, praised by CCP Goon Devs as 'Player Generated Content'. That basically evolved into the roaming suicide gank squads now infecting high security space.
So basically the wide spread suicide ganking happening in high security is indeed a relatively new aspect, spurred on by lazy KB fanatics looking to pad their stats. Due to the ease of being able to accomplish it with low skilled characters, suicide ganking has become overly common place in this game within the past few years.
DMC
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1750
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Posted - 2013.10.28 03:06:00 -
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This thread only shows how much work still needs to be done to enlighten the masses of hisec, contrary to the wailing of many wretches claiming that the game is "unplayable" because of suicide ganking. npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12153
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Posted - 2013.10.28 03:11:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:flakeys wrote:Gold Lyle wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Gold Lyle wrote:i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too, not only by the ancient war mechanism. EVE has always been a PvP game, regardless of the sec area. PvP is allowed and expected everywhere, including highsec. Only the consequences of PvP vary between regions. NPCs will continue reacting to PvP with the same logic they have used for years. Not at all. The suicide thing it is relatively new, and that the main alliance works like a pirate faction is really recent. This is not the same thing that the old fashion war. Holy .... have you even played eve for the last 6+ years ? Heh, OP is correct. I started playing this game well over 5 years ago. There wasn't any Ninja Salvagers and very rarely did you hear about a mission invasion (mostly Cosmos related). There definitely wasn't any gangs of cheap ship fits roaming around high security looking to suicide gank mining ships. It was mainly about can flipping and setting up bait to trigger combat back then. The only time you actually heard about a suicide gank was when a Freighter overloaded with bling loot on autopilot was waylaid at the gate to Jita. A few years ago the Hulkageddon crapola started happening, praised by CCP Goon Devs as 'Player Generated Content'. That basically evolved into the roaming suicide gank squads now infecting high security space. So basically the wide spread suicide ganking happening in high security is indeed a relatively new aspect, spurred on by lazy KB fanatics looking to pad their stats. Due to the ease of being able to accomplish it with low skilled characters, suicide ganking has become overly common place in this game within the past few years. DMC
Suicide ganking started well before Hulkageddon became a thing. Here's a thread from 5 years ago to prove it: http://eve-search.com/thread/861203-0/page/1
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1750
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Posted - 2013.10.28 03:14:00 -
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i like the football analogy you made in that thread
from 5 years ago
how can you play this game for 5 years npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
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