i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too, not only by the ancient war mechanism.

Bling. It costs lives.

This was a public service announcement from Gankers Local #412.

EVE has always been a PvP game, regardless of the sec area. PvP is allowed and expected everywhere, including highsec. Only the consequences of PvP vary between regions.

NPCs will continue reacting to PvP with the same logic they have used for years.

Not at all. The suicide thing it is relatively new, and that the main alliance works like a pirate faction is really recent. This is not the same thing that the old fashion war.

A clear answer on what? Your entire post is a collection of doggerel with no question marks in it.

Also, in order to not get killed, it helps to not be profitable to kill.

Not at all. The suicide thing it is relatively new, and that the main alliance works like a pirate faction is really recent. This is not the same thing that the old fashion war.

Not at all. The suicide thing it is relatively new, and that the main alliance works like a pirate faction is really recent. This is not the same thing that the old fashion war.

New? You been living under a rock.

Not at all. The suicide thing it is relatively new, and that the main alliance works like a pirate faction is really recent. This is not the same thing that the old fashion war.

So i need to know if the NPC are going to react with logic against the biggest player alliances when they acts like pirates,

or i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too

The suicide thing it is relatively new, and that the main alliance works like a pirate faction is really recent.

This is a public message for the DMs.

Just some minutes ago a fleet of goons in destroyers have blown up my very old golem. Well played, and well, it is the way in wich the things works. And no so hard to me because the ship was more than paid, it was the original one, the only marauder i have bought and it was flying since the marauders exists. Normally i dislike the BS size ships, but the golems was cute in shape.

I suppouse that now the goons thought that the ppl harvesting LPs from the SoE are some kind of evil or whatever, and they have started the whateverLPggedon on Osmon. I had enough bad luck to be hunted just when i was 10 minutes to stop to harvesting LPs, in the last mission i thought i need. BTW i has been working for SoE in Osmon during years, i have been giving SoE probes for friends and so on.

I have no problem with that kind of things, they are part of the game -although in this case the bad luck for me it is clear. But for me there is a problem with all that whateverggedon things that goons do in high sec. It is a role playing problem. By now it is clear that the goon alliance does periodically that kind of action inside of the empires, clear illegal actions, with clear objetives, as a nation trying to change behaivours,etc.. So goon alliance it is, following the internal logic of the game, a pirate nation -similar to sansha's one, for instance- and the empires should consider it like that.

I have no time to play the null regions game. And now it is clear that the goons are bored to have a realm out there, and they are trying to manage the high sec as their own space. So i need to know if the NPC are going to react with logic against the biggest player alliances when they acts like pirates, or i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too, not only by the ancient war mechanism.

Thank you, for this great game, but, please, clarify the nature of it.

-I really hope that the DMs will give me a clear answer-

just get out of high sec. it's fuckin' lame that ganker alts can run all over the place with impunity, they don't even need to rat up or buy tags/ sec status from CONCORD, an elegant function of a corrupt inter-faction entity (interest acknowledged i rat for these)

of course they'll tell you that the residents of high sec will police their flashy red behinds.

LOL

I never really thought about ganking the mission runners who get security tags. Thanks for the idea!

So goon alliance it is, following the internal logic of the game, a pirate nation -similar to sansha's one, for instance- and the empires should consider it like that.

Grr Goons!!!

Not at all. The suicide thing it is relatively new, and that the main alliance works like a pirate faction is really recent. This is not the same thing that the old fashion war.

Not quite sure about PvP in highsec... I think it's technically as (il)legal as it is everywhere in EVE from an EULA standpoint... just not as straight forward, no?

But here is a little insight into Goon psychology.

Why do we not have a themittanidotcom article on this?

Wasn't there one a while ago

Why do we not have a themittanidotcom article on this?

Wasn't there one a while ago

Oh, right, sorry 'bout that... here you go.

TL:DR - Somthing about a "scandalous grey market" that, supposedly, is growing rapidly within the SC community... of course, only theMittani could/did "uncover" that and bring it to light.

]Goon psychology

I see you're trolling me.

Why do we not have a themittanidotcom article on this?

Wasn't there one a while ago

Kind of.

Not quite sure about PvP in highsec... I think it's technically as (il)legal as it is everywhere in EVE from an EULA standpoint... just not as straight forward, no?

But here is a little insight into Goon psychology.

Thi

I suppouse that now the goons thought that the ppl harvesting LPs from the SoE are some kind of evil or whatever, and they have started the whateverLPggedon on Osmon.

So i need to know if the NPC are going to react with logic against the biggest player alliances when they acts like pirates, or i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too, not only by the ancient war mechanism.

Thank you, for this great game, but, please, clarify the nature of it.

Here we go, talking about goons again.

New? You been living under a rock.

Here we go, talking about goons again.

grr, goons

Dear diary... DEAR FUKIN DIARY WHY??!?!?!?!......

What is a DM? Is that like a high sec district manager?!

Wtf is a DM?

I read this whole thing in Toki Wartooth's voice.

What is a DM? Is that like a high sec district manager?!

You'll have that when goons start and peddle the threads with troll alts.

But it's not like CCP can lock them,
not right away.
Otherwise you lot will cry they are being particularly mean to goons.

oops, p.s. Grrr goons (<- wouldn't want to forget the witty cool part)

Wtf is a DM?

You are ********.

I think he's confusing Dungeons and Dragons with Eve. DM is dungeon master.(I've played D&D for 30 years.)from a role playing perspective, we must wipe the goon scourge from New Eden, out of character reading all the goon posts(anti or pro) is freaking awesome, I love it.

I've played D&D for 30 years.

You'll have that when goons start and peddle the threads with troll alts.

But it's not like CCP can lock them,
not right away.
Otherwise you lot will cry they are being particularly mean to goons.

oops, p.s. Grrr goons (<- wouldn't want to forget the witty cool part)

This is a public message for the DMs.

Just some minutes ago a fleet of goons in destroyers have blown up my very old golem. Well played, and well, it is the way in wich the things works. And no so hard to me because the ship was more than paid, it was the original one, the only marauder i have bought and it was flying since the marauders exists. Normally i dislike the BS size ships, but the golems was cute in shape.

I suppouse that now the goons thought that the ppl harvesting LPs from the SoE are some kind of evil or whatever, and they have started the whateverLPggedon on Osmon. I had enough bad luck to be hunted just when i was 10 minutes to stop to harvesting LPs, in the last mission i thought i need. BTW i has been working for SoE in Osmon during years, i have been giving SoE probes for friends and so on.

I have no problem with that kind of things, they are part of the game -although in this case the bad luck for me it is clear. But for me there is a problem with all that whateverggedon things that goons do in high sec. It is a role playing problem. By now it is clear that the goon alliance does periodically that kind of action inside of the empires, clear illegal actions, with clear objetives, as a nation trying to change behaivours,etc.. So goon alliance it is, following the internal logic of the game, a pirate nation -similar to sansha's one, for instance- and the empires should consider it like that.

I have no time to play the null regions game. And now it is clear that the goons are bored to have a realm out there, and they are trying to manage the high sec as their own space. So i need to know if the NPC are going to react with logic against the biggest player alliances when they acts like pirates, or i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too, not only by the ancient war mechanism.

Thank you, for this great game, but, please, clarify the nature of it.

-I really hope that the DMs will give me a clear answer-

OP !!! I just cannot believe that im reading those words from 2007 character. Suicide ganking is new? I think that you are just a troll becasue not even a hisec carebear is that stupid as you are.

All I see in that link is star citizens, who are pretty much the worst possible people to ask about goon psychology.

I have no time to play

Reship and ignore them. Posting this simply encourages the dorks.

Don't use a 500 DPS Golem then. Easy.

OP !!! I just cannot believe that im reading those words from 2007 character. Suicide ganking is new? I think that you are just a troll becasue not even a hisec carebear is that stupid as you are.

Goons cower in null surrounded by their bought off alliances on all sides. They need to gank high sec ships to feel relevant. What else can they do?

We have beaten everything else out here so we are coming for the entitaled mob that is the high sec bears.

We have beaten everything else out here so we are coming for the entitaled mob that is the high sec bears.

YO I'M HAPPY FOR YOU AND IMMA LET YOU FINISH BUT THAT'S LIKE YOU'VE BEATEN WHAT 15% OF THE PILOTS IN SPACE HEY THEY MUST BE THE BEST 15% OK FINE MOAR SOCK PUPPET THREADS OTHERWISE NOBODY WOULD KNOW.

YO I'M HAPPY FOR YOU AND IMMA LET YOU FINISH BUT THAT'S LIKE YOU'VE BEATEN WHAT 15% OF THE PILOTS IN SPACE HEY THEY MUST BE THE BEST 15% OK FINE MOAR SOCK PUPPET THREADS OTHERWISE NOBODY WOULD KNOW.

beaten? **** off.

Not exactly saying you're wrong here, but I'm curious as to what you're implying.

read my edit

beaten? **** off.


you got off the high chair they bought you yet?

yes i read your bio.

Well it did, but not in any way to your advantage.

to do researches about who are their custumers they would realize by now that the majority of their paying susbcribers are fond of non PVP and live in High Sec permanently.

Would you like to join? We only need a small security deposit.

They have, and you're wrong.

Didn't read the rest.

Oh, i suppose i'm talking to CCP CEO? How's family?

If CCP has any PR and Human Resources Department to do researches about who are their custumers they would realize by now that the majority of their paying susbcribers are fond of non PVP and live in High Sec permanently.

Make Concord react quicker, make Concord kill everyone in the same fleet that the ganker attacks, make Concord attack anyone that loots the wrecks of killed playrs if they have a huge security status.

Oh, i suppose i'm talking to CCP CEO? How's family?

We have beaten everything else out here so we are coming for the entitaled mob that is the high sec bears.

Oh, i suppose i'm talking to CCP CEO? How's family?

Oh, i suppose i'm talking to CCP CEO? How's family?

Oh, i suppose i'm talking to CCP CEO? How's family?

Would you like to join? We only need a small security deposit.

Why do you suppose that? Is it because he's pointing out some pretty well-known conclusions from the research CCP has done?

Pretty much everything you said was wrong.

lol your funny too :P i wont tell you to for **** yourself tho. i loved shooting whatshername in the face. and it worked.

"pride"

Not at all. The suicide thing it is relatively new, and that the main alliance works like a pirate faction is really recent. This is not the same thing that the old fashion war.

it freaking amazes me that in every post about anything, it turns into an argument. Try being constructive, give real answers. I know it's hard but there are a few of us out there.

Have you seen an incursion in highsec?

Concord ignores them.

Like begets like, my friend. Although the modern version of that saying is "ask a stupid question..."

I wonder what would happen if we bountied the OP. Some people get really mad about that. Just saying...

No.

The reasonable response would be to ask for a link to the suggested material. I would have refused because I don't care if you believe me, but then offered that someone who actually cares enough to save links to stuff like this for mouthbreathers like yourself will be along shortly to provide you with one. Watch this space.

Ok just don't cry in anger wjile posting, i wn't be mean anymore to you.


I would like to see that Dev Blog if anyne has the link there just for curiosity. If EVE really have more ppl in null/low i rest my case and hi-sec could just vanish.

One thing that bothers me though is that in another visceral MMORPG, Darkfall, even if you had a huge coalition backing you up there, always huge wars were happening. Even the strongest clans knew they could lose their city in the next day. In EVE i don't see this happening. I see the big fishes in here pretty much without any reasonable chance of losing their stations. Where is the risk for them? Why they don't have to defend their stations against random huge waves of NPC pirates?

Is this the reason more and more ppl are joining these colations? To be free of risk? Isn't this the carebear way?

Btw, lemme me be clear: I'm not against Goons or whatever colation they are with, or against anyone in this game besides afk miners and bots. I just think that the risk balance is illogical for players that choose the criminal way. Concord can be easily managed and they don't venture outside empire space.

Players creating content..

Thought that was a good thing?

Depends on the "content"... that word is used very liberally in EVE.

This is a public message for the DMs.

Just some minutes ago a fleet of goons in destroyers have blown up my very old golem. Well played, and well, it is the way in wich the things works. And no so hard to me because the ship was more than paid, it was the original one, the only marauder i have bought and it was flying since the marauders exists. Normally i dislike the BS size ships, but the golems was cute in shape.

I suppouse that now the goons thought that the ppl harvesting LPs from the SoE are some kind of evil or whatever, and they have started the whateverLPggedon on Osmon. I had enough bad luck to be hunted just when i was 10 minutes to stop to harvesting LPs, in the last mission i thought i need. BTW i has been working for SoE in Osmon during years, i have been giving SoE probes for friends and so on.

I have no problem with that kind of things, they are part of the game -although in this case the bad luck for me it is clear. But for me there is a problem with all that whateverggedon things that goons do in high sec. It is a role playing problem. By now it is clear that the goon alliance does periodically that kind of action inside of the empires, clear illegal actions, with clear objetives, as a nation trying to change behaivours,etc.. So goon alliance it is, following the internal logic of the game, a pirate nation -similar to sansha's one, for instance- and the empires should consider it like that.

I have no time to play the null regions game. And now it is clear that the goons are bored to have a realm out there, and they are trying to manage the high sec as their own space. So i need to know if the NPC are going to react with logic against the biggest player alliances when they acts like pirates, or i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too, not only by the ancient war mechanism.

Thank you, for this great game, but, please, clarify the nature of it.

-I really hope that the DMs will give me a clear answer-

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Not a single one of these big fish have held the space they own from the start. We all took our space from other big fish in clashes the other MMOs can only dream of.

Damn son, you log on to look down on people or something?

Their loss then.
But it's not hard to look at D scan, or pay appropriate levels of attention to what you're doing. Keep checking D for suspicious activity, such as catalysts appearin, and you'll be fine and breezy. It is not the responsibility of the cheetah or the hyena to make sure the gazelle can run away or shoot back.

Ahm... the game stagnates and so do the regulars? Dunno... just a guess.

Let's face it... for many of us it has stopped being fun a long time ago... it just is "there"... like a habit. *shrugs*

Goons cower in null surrounded by their bought off alliances on all sides. They need to gank high sec ships to feel relevant. What else can they do?

That so much butt hurt you missed the contradiction of saying someone is cowering in null while also ganking in high sec...

Any moment now progodlegend is going to roll into deklein and we'll have to cower in highsec

The cheetah can warp cloaked though

The world has truly changed where a man can admit this openly. You are a special person and I heart you for your specialness.

So i need to know if the NPC are going to react with logic against the biggest player alliances when they acts like pirates, or i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too, not only by the ancient war mechanism.

You sound like you're asking CONCORD to treat us the way it treats NPC pirates.


I will take your recommendation to CCP.

Their loss then.
But it's not hard to look at D scan, or pay appropriate levels of attention to what you're doing. Keep checking D for suspicious activity, such as catalysts appearin, and you'll be fine and breezy. It is not the responsibility of the cheetah or the hyena to make sure the gazelle can run away or shoot back.

This is a public message for the DMs.

I've never had a hisec pilot i've hit say "Well played, you hit my hisec alt."

I know there's some CCP employee scratching his head saying "We got a message for the "DMs"... Where do I find them at?"

I cast light missile.

Ah the simplistic predator prey argument, yes.
No amount of checking d-scan will defend either miners or mission runners or haulers from lolganking. Flip the situation, anything those pilots do will be countered.
There was a half-baked movement by some guys to ninja into null and mine n mission away, an attempt to do something different. The thread it was announced on filled up with promises of counters. Yes people do hot-drop destroyers. They do drop Archon reps to save a single Myrm from dying to a small gang of noob rifters.

The situation: They cannot go to null or even lowsec without getting utterly destroyed or owned as pets. No amount of intel, scouting, perches, logi, spies or instawarps stops them from being wiped the f out.

Bottled up in hisec, being warped in on and smashed by gank fit dessies and tornadoes doesn't make them stupid or weak or cowardly or anything, just unlucky and at the mercy of people who live where 99% of all asteroids never get touched.

Hey don't get me wrong i've lived in null solo and as part of an alliance. I've disco phooned the Perimeter gates and thrasher whacked the odd retriever. I've never had a hisec pilot i've hit say "Well played, you hit my hisec alt."

Holy .... have you even played eve for the last 6+ years ?

Heh, OP is correct.

I started playing this game well over 5 years ago. There wasn't any Ninja Salvagers and very rarely did you hear about a mission invasion (mostly Cosmos related). There definitely wasn't any gangs of cheap ship fits roaming around high security looking to suicide gank mining ships. It was mainly about can flipping and setting up bait to trigger combat back then.

The only time you actually heard about a suicide gank was when a Freighter overloaded with bling loot on autopilot was waylaid at the gate to Jita. A few years ago the Hulkageddon crapola started happening, praised by CCP Goon Devs as 'Player Generated Content'. That basically evolved into the roaming suicide gank squads now infecting high security space.

So basically the wide spread suicide ganking happening in high security is indeed a relatively new aspect, spurred on by lazy KB fanatics looking to pad their stats. Due to the ease of being able to accomplish it with low skilled characters, suicide ganking has become overly common place in this game within the past few years.


DMC

i like the football analogy you made in that thread

from 5 years ago

how can you play this game for 5 years

I cast light missile.

Heh, OP is correct.

I started playing this game well over 5 years ago. There wasn't any Ninja Salvagers and very rarely did you hear about a mission invasion (mostly Cosmos related). There definitely wasn't any gangs of cheap ship fits roaming around high security looking to suicide gank mining ships. It was mainly about can flipping and setting up bait to trigger combat back then.

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Your point being?
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I fail to see how checking D scan will not save you. You're mining away and a catalyst appears on D scan, you can just align out and the moment he lands on grid, you just warp out, it's a simple solution. He won't be able to catch you,...

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Another point you fail to notice is that anything I do, you can counter. Bring guardian remote reps to the party and your chances of survival lengthen greatly since cost to kill you outweighs potential benefit. Bring mercs to watch the gates for incoming catalysts or thrashers, keep an eye on local for well known gankers and put them on your watch list so you know they're online a din the area. Bring mercs to counter gank the gankers. Of course all this requires effort on your part.

They got a few the other day in Lanngisi, or however it's spelled. I got scanned in my Rattlesnake that had shinies on it. Knew what was up. Switched to a t2 MJD Dominix, sold all the shinies and Rattlesnake, and now have the extra ISK in my wallet, and the MJD Dominix does missions well.

I should have switched to the Dominix sooner when they first changed the bonuses. I like it better than the Rattlesnake. Really no reason to have blinged out ships when there are suitable cheap ships to do the job.

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Sent: 2013.10.28 00:59
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A clear answer on what? Your entire post is a collection of doggerel with no question marks in it.