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evil eye	Posted - 2006.02.05 11:23:00 - [1] I can't believe that CCP are saying that killrights last FOREVER!!! We have been told time and time again that killrights last for a LIMITED time, then they expire. What is going on!?!? Lets have some feedback from the Eve community on this subject please!
Alfarin	Posted - 2006.02.05 11:25:00 - [2] It's fair play IMO. -- Future Falcon EVE Tools
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.02.05 11:25:00 - [3] Please read this. Thank you, have a nice day. -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108! Stop whining about my signature - Wrangler
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.02.05 11:40:00 - [4] Originally by: Alfarin It's fair play IMO. not IMO. IMO its bull**** sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler
Isami	Posted - 2006.02.05 11:46:00 - [5] So, let me get this straight. Looting their cans = 15 minute kill right, but Killing someone = pernemant kill right till they kill you back. Whats wrong with that? You KILLED them, chances are, if they have the balls to come back at you you'll win anyway, because you already proved that you can take them. (If not, well, thats what EVE is, open PVP :/ ) __________________________________________________ "Dont put all your eggs in one basket" "Why?" "Because someone might be just annoying enough to blow it up"
Coconut Joe	Posted - 2006.02.05 12:01:00 - [6] Originally by: evil eye I can't believe that CCP are saying that killrights last FOREVER!!! We have been told time and time again that killrights last for a LIMITED time, then they expire. What is going on!?!? Lets have some feedback from the Eve community on this subject please! I would like to direct you to this topic ---- Sneeze and the whole world sneezes with you, fart, and you fart alone.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.02.05 12:05:00 - [7] Originally by: Isami So, let me get this straight. Looting their cans = 15 minute kill right, but Killing someone = pernemant kill right till they kill you back. Whats wrong with that? You KILLED them, chances are, if they have the balls to come back at you you'll win anyway, because you already proved that you can take them. (If not, well, thats what EVE is, open PVP :/ ) so, after a single kill, they have rights to attack you FOREVER until you lose a ship. and btw, you can't fire back if you attacked in highsec by someone with killrights on you. So i think "you'll win anyway" is unlikely sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler
Mace Blackhammer	Posted - 2006.02.05 12:06:00 - [8] Originally by: Isami So, let me get this straight. Looting their cans = 15 minute kill right, but Killing someone = pernemant kill right till they kill you back. Whats wrong with that? You KILLED them, chances are, if they have the balls to come back at you you'll win anyway, because you already proved that you can take them. (If not, well, thats what EVE is, open PVP :/ ) Unless they fixed this if you are attacked by someone who has killright against you in high sec you cannot fight back or you will be attacked by the sentries/concord.
w0rmy	Posted - 2006.02.05 12:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Mace Blackhammer Its compete horse**** if they dont expire especially with char sales happening left and right. OH NOES!! Being held accountable for your actions 6 months later... What a horrible horrible thing As for character sales, an intelligent buyer would ask these kinds of questions first, just like they do with sec status. Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
evil eye	Posted - 2006.02.05 12:16:00 - [10] First off... Nikolai - if you read that thread you put a link to, you will find that it was actually ME who directly asked CCP for the information regarding killright expiration - have a nice day to you on that one.... Coconut Joe - I fail to see what that thread has to do with CCP changing it's mind about killright expiration at all. Maybe I missed something after reading it 3 times to make sure, but I'm fairly confident it doesn't mention killrights having a LIMITED time period, then changing to killrights having an INFINITE time period. What THIS thread is about is complaining to CCP, trying to gather support on a 'feature' that is changed by CCP without prior notice, that affects the ENTIRE game experience for a group of players. I actually think killrights are a WORTHWHILE feature, and definately adds a bit of spice to pirating or whatever you like to do. It is not KILLRIGHTS that is the problem here - the problem being that we were all told that they would expire after a period of time.

Dak Hakin	Posted - 2006.02.05 13:04:00 - [11] Seems like I remember it being said there was a 30 day time limit also... But I dont know if it was Dev or players saying it. tbh I dont know how I feel about it. On one hand it makes you accountable for your actions. People get arrested for murders they committed 15 years ago... On the other hand, some pie rat is gonna have a trail of people lined up one day... _______________________________________________ Proudly serving Electus Matari Mr. Grumpy-sour-pus
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.02.05 13:11:00 - [12] Originally by: evil eye Nikolai - if you read that thread you put a link to, you will find that it was actually ME who directly asked CCP for the information regarding killright expiration - have a nice day to you on that one.... So you're wasting Page 1 space on something that you're already discussing in another thread because...? -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108! Stop whining about my signature - Wrangler
w0rmy	Posted - 2006.02.05 13:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari So you're wasting Page 1 space on something that you're already discussing in another thread because...? His threads far more valuable than the meaningless banter youve added to it. Pot Kettle Glass house?? Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.02.05 13:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Dak Hakin Seems like I remember it being said there was a 30 day time limit also... But I dont know if it was Dev or players saying it. i don't know who said 30 days, but i know who said limited time sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler
evil eye	Posted - 2006.02.05 13:17:00 - [15] Because that thread wasn't about the length of time that the killrights lasted for, the original poster was asking questions regarding the mechanics of killrights. I just happen to ask CCP for a definative answer. This thread is discussing the viable question about the expiration period of killrights - nothing else.
Dak Hakin	Posted - 2006.02.05 13:18:00 - [16] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Dak Hakin Seems like I remember it being said there was a 30 day time limit also... But I dont know if it was Dev or players saying it. i don't know who said 30 days, but i know who said limited time Well hell, there ya go. QFT _______________________________________________ Proudly serving Electus Matari Mr. Grumpy-sour-pus
Judas Jones	Posted - 2006.02.05 13:28:00 - [17] Cry me a river, build a bridge and jump of it! Thanks
Anjerrai Meloanis	Posted - 2006.02.05 13:28:00 - [18] tbh, i see no problem with this, if you kill someone unawares, be expected to be caught unawares yourself later on. retribution? uh.

Mephysto	Posted - 2006.02.05 13:28:00 - [19] Since there seems to be alot of confusion... If you are killed illegally, you have 30 days in which to take revenge with a kill right. Thats an illegal kill, not one where you can legally fight (ie 0 sec, agression flagged for theft etc.)

evil eye	Posted - 2006.02.05 13:45:00 - [20] Edited by: evil eye on 05/02/2006 13:48:41 Edited by: evil eye on 05/02/2006 13:47:11 Quote: Originally by: Kaemonn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally by: evil eye -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Can we have an answer from CCP on how long the kill rights take to expire please? Thank you CCP in advance! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kill rights last forever until revenge has been delt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK, thanks for answering the question Mephysto - glad we have *someone* who knows what they are talking about! :D So to clarify.... killrights last for 30 days... ...and not forever as Kaemonn wrote. As I said before - I have no problem with the killright system, it was just a little unbelieveable to think it would last forever. :D So if we have killrights against us for more than 30 days as you just quoted, can we petition against them?

Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.02.05 13:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Mephysto Since there seems to be alot of confusion... If you are killed illegally, you have 30 days in which to take revenge with a kill right. Thats an illegal kill, not one where you can legally fight (ie 0 sec, agression flagged for theft etc.) Yet i have killrights, and people have killrights against me, from over 30 days. 36 Days and counting so far.
evil eye	Posted - 2006.02.05 13:48:00 - [22] Edited by: evil eye on 05/02/2006 13:49:38 So does this mean then, that as killrights officially last for 30 days, that if we have killrights against us that are over 30 days old - that we can petition them? (sorry I spelt your name wrong *Mephysto*! ;) )
Rumata	Posted - 2006.02.05 13:49:00 - [23] Originally by: Mephysto Since there seems to be alot of confusion... If you are killed illegally, you have 30 days in which to take revenge with a kill right. Thats an illegal kill, not one where you can legally fight (ie 0 sec, agression flagged for theft etc.) 30 days ? I have killed someone 49 days ago and his name till now displayed on page "Can be killed by" is it bug ?
Oi Poloi	Posted - 2006.02.05 13:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Mephysto Since there seems to be alot of confusion... If you are killed illegally, you have 30 days in which to take revenge with a kill right. Thats an illegal kill, not one where you can legally fight (ie 0 sec, agression flagged for theft etc.) What about the fact that you can't shoot back if someone excercises his kill rights on you? ----- DJ 4tw
evil eye	Posted - 2006.02.05 13:55:00 - [25] start another thread for that - we wanna know if we can petition any killrights against us that are over 30 days old. (you'd probably get a better and quicker response about it.
evil eye	Posted - 2006.02.05 14:03:00 - [26] Mephysto - can you tell us if we can petition killrights against us that are over 30 days old please?
Taketa De	Posted - 2006.02.05 14:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Oi Poloi Originally by: Mephysto Since there seems to be alot of confusion... If you are killed illegally, you have 30 days in which to take revenge with a kill right. Thats an illegal kill, not one where you can legally fight (ie 0 sec, agression flagged for theft etc.) What about the fact that you can't shoot back if someone excercises his kill rights on you? Quoted from the thread linked in the second post: Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Zakarentha Hi all , just returning to the game and been trying to work out how kill rights work and wondered if someone could answer a few questions . I know if someone steals from my cans they become " flagged " for 15 minutes allowing me to attack if i choose . Questions are , if i attacked and blew up someones ship who was flagged for stealing , do they get kill rights on me and if so , is there anywhere i can see who has kill rights on me ? Also , if someone with kill rights attacks me , am i allowed to defend myself or do i have to a) run like a little girl , or b) sit there and let my ship be destroyed . Thanks in advance You get kill rights if you are unlawfully killed by someone. If there is any form of criminal flag present before the aggression, it's a lawful kill. You are allowed to defend yourself - except there is this little bug which we have fixed waiting for TQ deployment which prevents it in some cases. --- The Advanced Drone Control Panel.
Isami	Posted - 2006.02.05 14:05:00 - [28] Edited by: Isami on 05/02/2006 14:06:53 Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Isami So, let me get this straight. Looting their cans = 15 minute kill right, but Killing someone = pernemant kill right till they kill you back. Whats wrong with that? You KILLED them, chances are, if they have the balls to come back at you you'll win anyway, because you already proved that you can take them. (If not, well, thats what EVE is, open PVP :/ ) so, after a single kill, they have rights to attack you FOREVER until you lose a ship. and btw, you can't fire back if you attacked in highsec by someone with killrights on you. So i think "you'll win anyway" is unlikely Oh right, I was under the impression that Kill Rights go away after youve killed them once :P Ok, that needs fixing edit Just read the whole thread, including the GM post. Its fine ^^ __________________________________________________ "Dont put all your eggs in one basket" "Why?" "Because someone might be just annoying enough to blow it up"
evil eye	Posted - 2006.02.05 14:08:00 - [29] Originally by: evil eye Mephysto - can you tell us if we can petition killrights against us that are over 30 days old please? Mephysto?
Oi Poloi	Posted - 2006.02.05 14:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Taketa De Quoted from the thread linked in the second post: Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Zakarentha Hi all , just returning to the game and been trying to work out how kill rights work and wondered if someone could answer a few questions . I know if someone steals from my cans they become " flagged " for 15 minutes allowing me to attack if i choose . Questions are , if i attacked and blew up someones ship who was flagged for stealing , do they get kill rights on me and if so , is there anywhere i can see who has kill rights on me ? Also , if someone with kill rights attacks me , am i allowed to defend myself or do i have to a) run like a little girl , or b) sit there and let my ship be destroyed . Thanks in advance You get kill rights if you are unlawfully killed by someone. If there is any form of criminal flag present before the aggression, it's a lawful kill. You are allowed to defend yourself - except there is this little bug which we have fixed waiting for TQ deployment which prevents it in some cases. Thanks ----- DJ 4tw



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