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Acix
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Posted - 2003.08.30 03:52:00 -
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I would like to speak to the leadership of the stained alliance about an incident that happned. I cannot seem to get any answers on who this is. Is there any one that is any kind of leader of the stained alliance. If you are truely not pirates I would expect a proper reply so that we can discuss the events that happened.
The way it seems right now there is no leadership of the Stained Alliance. I cannot get an answer out of the corp that the incident happened with nor anyone else that seems to be in SA. Please respond with contact information.
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Greyhound
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Posted - 2003.08.30 05:59:00 -
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Speak with Lotharr, he is our Contact person for people out of the alliance.
The Stan Allaince is very well structured, and we often do not 'jump' channels of communication.
--- Greyhound
CEO: Old Farts
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Majin Buu
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Posted - 2003.08.30 17:47:00 -
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there is a leader, we just dont know who
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.30 17:50:00 -
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Am I the leader?
I have this funny hat........
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Acix
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Posted - 2003.08.30 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Acix on 30/08/2003 17:58:04
geryhound i have tried to contact lotharr, no luck......
 Quote:
there is a leader, we just dont know who
Not really what I wanted to hear........
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Angelsfist
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Posted - 2003.08.30 22:37:00 -
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Perhaps, if you disclosed with which corp you had your incident with, we could better communicate with you.
Your post is quite vague in this regard.
Thanks
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Acix
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Posted - 2003.08.30 23:09:00 -
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That is part of the problem, I am done trying to talk or deal with them. They caused a situation and now they will not own up to it. That is why I need to speak with the leaders of the alliance to findout if this is how they operate or not.
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syraphina
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Posted - 2003.08.31 03:30:00 -
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Edited by: syraphina on 31/08/2003 03:38:50
The incident Acix is talking about happened with The Collective vs. G.O.D. ...We were lied to by generals of destruction about who they needed help with (they said it was a lone red corsair, and it was in fact a large number of The Collective, who we have no issues with) and we got caught in the middle of a battle that we knew nothing about and lost a bs and a thorax to The Collective while trying to extricate ourselves from the situation. It took us a few hours to calm down after the fact and to discover exactly what happened. If anyone from g.o.d. reads this post, Know this: this isnt the first attempt you've made to draw eve marshals into fighting your battles for you through deceit, but it is the LAST TIME that you will ever get a response from us if you ever cry for help again. We are not here to fight other people's wars for them, we are here to defeat pirate corps and to protect INNOCENTS against pirate attacks.
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GFLTorque
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Posted - 2003.08.31 04:23:00 -
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Edited by: GFLTorque on 31/08/2003 04:24:18
Well, if an incident occured inside Stain, then any SA member you meet should be able to direct you up the "chain of command" if you will.
But, as an order of business we do have a protocol to talk with our own corps first. So if you had a problem with a certain group, or individual that group will be apprised of your issues.
No less then 5 SA corps have replied to this thread so that would also give you 5 contacts alone.
4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions
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Angelsfist
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Posted - 2003.08.31 12:09:00 -
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Good Morning Syra,
Thank you for the incident report. From the looks of it, EVE Marshals were tricked into a conflict with the collective by G.O.D corp.
I am not familiar w/ that corp but will look into it when I log in. As for the conflict itself, what does your fellow in EVE Marshals want from the Collective?
I may need to read your post again as I am still on my first cup of coffee but I did not see any mention of how the Collective was at fault.
Thanks for your help in this regard and I will assisst in whatever way I can.
Good day
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Greyhound
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Posted - 2003.08.31 12:28:00 -
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It seems to me your problem, then, is with Either G.O.D. or Red Corsairs. Both of which are Kill on Sight within the Stain Region (ie: Not even allowed within Stain).
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Boundless
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Posted - 2003.08.31 17:04:00 -
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It was just a bad situation out there. I warped to a gate to look for a Red Corsair and saw ALOT of ships...But my game was frealing out and I couldn't see tags. At this point no 1 was shooting. well I saw a mega that I thought was Yarpen(corp mate) and flew towards him so I could rebot. A ctd bet me to my reboot. When I came back online the mega turned out to be Zeek Nilagah blowing my ship to kingdom come. Now don't get me wrong I don't mind dying in a fight, but I like to have an ememy first and also I enjoy shootting at that enmey. But all I got was a 15m bill to replace my ship and mods just for fling to a gate. I did recieve a letter from Zeek sending his sencer appologies alond with a promise to repay my loses. So to me Zeek is a pretty good guy I just hope he's a man of his word as well
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syraphina
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Posted - 2003.08.31 17:17:00 -
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We do have a big time issue with red corsairs, but they had nothing to do with this incident, g.o.d. was just using their name to get us to come help them...and as to what we want from stain alliance/the collective, we just want to make sure our reputation with stain and the collective isn't tarnished because of this incident. We have much respect for stain, and would never knowingly be involved in negative actions against any member of stain alliance. Like i said before, as soon as we realized what was going on around us, we extricated ourselves from the situation, unfortunately not in time to avoid the loss of two ships, but that's besides the point. and gen. of dest. has also been added to our kos list as well
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Acix
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Posted - 2003.08.31 17:18:00 -
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I tried to talk this over with the collective personell. This conversation lead nowhere. I asked the collective to refer me to the SA leadership to settle this before hostilities continued over a misunderstanding. The conversation then went very wrong and the last thing that was said to me about trying to speak to the stained leadership was: "so why da hell u think he will listen to ya bull****t ?"
We were not in stain region, we were in curse. The collective knew exactly where they were headed and what they were going to do. They came in said nothing and attacked part of a group that was trying to lock down a known pirate in a system. They rolled up with about 6 to 8 battleships and started firing on the one they had a problem with while there was many members of different corps around the exact area. Multiple members of the group trying to hold the gates against the pirate started calling for help becuase they were under attack from the collective. Every member of the group tring to hold the area responded (about 12 ships mostly cruisers). I entered with my tempest and was locked by a collective battleship, I activated my defenses while watching the collective attack many members of the pirate hunting group. I noticed I was outmatched in firepower and went to leave my locks dropped and I went to warp (EVE bull**** lag caught me and then I came out of warp on the other side my tempest turned into a pod). The eve-mail states that multiple the members of the Collective were the ones that caused the destruction of my ship.
They way they came in was looking for a fight and very unprofessional. If they were after one person then they should have said somehting on local, because there were many ships in the area very close to thier target (3 ships within 10km). No one in the group holding the system to get the single corsair pirate knew anything about the problem that the GOD member had with SA. I can send anyone needing the information the entire conversation with the collective. We have two converation logs with them (there are some contradictions between the two). The one I was a part of semmed that they were out for a fight, and wanted to fight as many people as possible because they hadn't had any action since RUS left the area.
infinity > man thats bull
infinity > if u guys wanna fight SA then be my guest
Acix > no what you did was, now give me the name of your leader so that i can talk to him
infinity > we sure need the action after rus did run
The actions of the Collective played out like a group of trigger happy fighters that were action hungry. If they would have said one word of the problem they had with the one member of GOD then we would have tried to talk to them about it. If it came down to GOD being in the wrong we would have let the collective seek the revenge they wanted so badly.
We at the EVE Marshals do not look for fights from non pirates. We state our intentions in local over and over so that situations like this do not arise. The collective member that I spoke with said they don't ever say anything in local because:
infinity > who cares about local ?
infinity > its always bugged and no use for us
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Acix > we warn others when we bring battle groups though and we do not have problems like this
infinity > we did NOT GET WARNING (refering to when the GOD member shot his corpmates ship down before)
The cost of our ships needs to be repaid to close this matter. The members of the Collective that were out were out for blood and did not care who they involved in the fight. They need to be a little less hot headed and learn that when you just start firing there are going to be repercusions.
still have yet to recieve anything back from Lotharr. If one of the above groups in SA could forward this information for me to the leadership of SA to take care of this problem it would be appreciated. If any other information is needed then please contact me ingame via EVE-mail.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.31 20:14:00 -
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I don't think this has anything to do with SA since it, in actuality, occured outside of Stain.
That's my take on the matter, anyway.
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Acix
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Posted - 2003.08.31 23:52:00 -
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joshua, sorry not looking for your opinion, Looking for an answer as to who I need to talk to in the leadership of SA. Nothing against you but this post was not meant for you.
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2003.09.01 06:42:00 -
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We lost some ships today also in Curse, we will be calling upon our XETIC allies and talking to our friends in Stain about this. Seems like the Collective has opened hostilities against the entire region.
I too am wondering if Stain is supportive of this illegal actions outside thier claimed domain.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:01:00 -
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Enn | Empress is CEO of collective
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Boundless
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Posted - 2003.09.01 10:01:00 -
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Edited by: Boundless on 02/09/2003 13:39:25
Ok, the issue that happened the other day has been settled between the eve marshals and the collective on a political scale now We're all friends now which is the way we want it. But we have to get something done about the loss of our ships, After all in our new found friendship with the collective we cant have this matter of Acix and my ships being deystroyed and not reimbursed go unresloved... And yes I have modified this post because my blushing bride Syra accidentaly made her post under my name. I would also like to say that the views and opinions voiced by syra do not necesarily convay my beliefs or personal opinions. Thank you and have a nice day
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Saelenie
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Posted - 2003.09.01 16:46:00 -
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Hiya,
I was there and can try to tell you what happend, how i saw it.
One small task force from The.Collective was traveling through curse. Group warping failed once again and one scorpion warped ahead of the rest and came out of warp infront of 3 GOD members. They attacked him and blew up his ship. We came 20 sec later, and GOD had warped out. I saw some small cruisers take the loot (not from GOD) and I told my corp mates. Few seconds later a bunch of ships jumped in. One started firing, and i asked to doublecheck if they are firing upon us and it was so. We blew that ship up. Maybe it was because of lagg or maybe you got CTD but, we confirmed we were fired upon and reacted.
We stayed in curse for "few" hours after that because we lost that ship and wanted revange.
Im sorry if you feel mistreated but what you should have done or shoud do is to talk to Empress. Hes is the CEO of The.Collective.
GOD and RedCorsairs are sworn enemies of StainAlliance and TheCollective.
It was just an unlucky incident that could have been avoided.
Hope that explains something.
Regards,
Saelenie.
The.Collective
SA
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Acix
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Posted - 2003.09.02 02:00:00 -
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Well bound it may be settled with you but them replacing my tempest has not happened so it is not settled completely. I am actually being very tackfull, compaired to the way I was treated when I tried to have a coversation with the collective the first time.
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2003.09.02 05:26:00 -
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Seems like the Red Corsairs and Spacepill where the pirates in the Curse region. Looks like one complex mess. I thank the leadership of The Collective for clearing up the issue.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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syraphina
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Posted - 2003.09.02 11:36:00 -
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Saelenie, i just wanted to replie to the post you made as to what happened that day...As far as the eve marshals were concerned and the battle went...The marshals that came as backup were told to go to a specific stargate, and I was the first person to arrive there, there was no one else there, and there were also no containers floating about, just one lone berzerker drone. A few seconds after i arrived, One of my corp mates showed up, then then an unknown person (may have been you sal),then two more of my corpmates warped in then some of the guys from GOD popped in then right on their tail were several ppl from the collective. the collective started firing on GOD, and the two marshals that were in bs's started firing on the collective, thinking that it was an unprovoked attack on GOD (they haden't yet realized GOD had lied about who they needed help fighting). myself and boundless had no clue as to what was going on, and who we were even supposed to be "helping" so we were getting ready to warp out when boundless CTD'd and i noticed that he was being fired on by a Zeek,member of the collective, so i locked onto said collective member, hoping to draw fire away from boundless, but i was too late; he had been podded and fire was being turned onto me before i even had a chance to turn my guns on, so i warped out. As i sit right next to boundless as we play the game, i can verify to the fact that he DID NOT lock onto OR fire upon ANYONE prior to crashing, due to his game glitching and him not being able to see ship's tags, and therefore could not tell who's ships were from our corp. This is exactly the way it happened, from the moment i warped into the system, to the time i left the gate. No exaggerations, no additions to the story, nothing left out, and no lies.
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Narcotic
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:13:00 -
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This is all too weird for me... Expecially with the fact that a number of The Collective most often play together at a Net-Cafe I attend every so often... Weird I say....
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Boundless
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Posted - 2003.10.19 22:19:00 -
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I would like to thank Zeek Nilagah and SA for the way the situation was handle. Zeek made good on his promise to make things right with me I don't know alot of peps that would have done that.  You da man Zeek
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Leyla
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Posted - 2003.10.19 23:21:00 -
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Isn't Oberon Corp part of the NVA? If they are does the NVA support Oberon corp doing raids into Stain and Curse looking for CA to kill? Last i thought NVA and CA were neutral with one another. Any thoughts on this Jade?
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Kirin
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Posted - 2003.10.20 00:08:00 -
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Acix, As far as I'm concerned, your loss is of your own creation. We have made it quite clear to all people throughout these forums that Curse Alliance and Stain Alliance are at war with one another. We have also advise all people to make every effort to stay clear of the Catch/Curse regions as engagements occur there many times daily between combative groups. If we are conducting patrols in the Curse/Catch area and you are not part of our list of allies or non target personel then you will be automatically considered a target.
You must understand, we are not out looking to blow up innocent people and thus have made every effort to make it public of the occurances in the area, but with the dynamics of the game and the considerable amount of lag that we run into during large force combat situations, we don't always have time to check corporate tags of those people that are unknown to us.
As far as I'm concerned you have become a casualty of war. Next time stay out of a hostile region and if for some reason you happen to find yourself again in a hostile region, dock or warp to a moon or something to ensure your safe and either try to make contact with one of our forces advising of your reason for being there and your sole want to leave, or...just wait there until the conflict is over and you can resume your business. As far as being a 'pirate hunter' that is fine, but in the case of war we do not spend time to determine the intentions of someone that is not our ally when we are engaged in combat.
We appologize for your loss but again, we have made every possible attempt to advise others of the volatility of the region and the dangers involved in transgressing upon such.
CEO - Everlasting Vendetta
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Remember the toes you step on today are still connected to the arse you may have to kiss tomorrow.
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syraphina
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Posted - 2003.10.22 10:42:00 -
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ok, as far as i can remember, this incident occured before the war was declaired, or at least before it was common knowledge and neither did it really have anything to do with Curse Alliance or the war between curse and stain., and Leyla, you might want to keep in mind that Boundless and myself were in Eve Marshals, LONG before we joined Oberon, and even longer before Oberon joined NVA, when this matter occured, so it really had absolutely nothing to do with Oberon OR NVA
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Thumbar
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Posted - 2003.10.22 11:59:00 -
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I'm glad this got bumped, because it shows that SA was attacking innocents in curse before the war started. Of course according to Joshua, members of SA are not really members of SA once they leave Stain.
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.10.22 14:23:00 -
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Thumbar, you seem to be too dense to understand the difference between an occasional incident/accident/misunderstanding and notorious pirate corporations within the CA whose sole purpose has been to commit piracy. God help you if we were pirates...
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