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Chessur
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Posted - 2013.10.29 07:29:00 -
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Here is a nice tier list for you:
God Tier:
Ishtar / Cerb
Cerb does well as pure anti-tackle / anti support as well for those peski ewar cruisers / frigs. Amazing ship Ishtar has more DPS to bring than the cerb, another great pick.
Good Tier:
Diemos
Deimos is good at what it does. Shield rail diemos is still pretty good
Meh Tier:
Vagabond / Munin
Vagabond is bad because it uses auto cannons. Ship is just bad, unless you want a way to scram kiting ships.
**** Tier:
Zealot, Sac, Eagle |

Chessur
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:58:00 -
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Kasutra wrote:Chessur wrote:**** Tier:
Zealot, Sac, Eagle Zealot is ****? Wat
The Nomen makes a better zealot, than the zealot. True fact. |

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Posted - 2013.10.29 20:17:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:Chessur wrote:Kasutra wrote:Chessur wrote:**** Tier:
Zealot, Sac, Eagle Zealot is ****? Wat The Nomen makes a better zealot, than the zealot. True fact. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha TII Resists more buffer and more DPS aren't important I hear.
More Speed, Smaller sig, drone bay, are pretty important in my experience. |

Chessur
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Posted - 2013.10.30 00:38:00 -
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Either way zealots are really bad, and are out performed by Nomens for solo / small gang and fleet. If you want to compare some fits, please start coughing up numbers, because a zealot is not getting 2X EHP. Infact the Nomen and zealot have extreamly simmilar base EHP. So please stop spouting the bullshit.
The zealot is outperformed by the nomen in the AHAC role and most certainly in the small gang / solo role, 100%. Run the numbers. |

Chessur
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Posted - 2013.10.30 12:07:00 -
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The zealot vs ONI numbers are wrong. Counting drones, ONI has more DPS.
Zealot http://i.imgur.com/j92BysN.jpg
81K EHP 87 / 83 / 81 / 90 406 DPS 664 M/S 68.8 Sig
Nomen http://i.imgur.com/86sRJFv.jpg
63.6K EHP 75 / 67.5 / 80 / 79.4 421 DPS 849 M/S 55 Sig
Nomen is still better. That increased speed + Sig will make a huge difference even while webbed and patined, when compared to the zealot. Cap is not an issue if you place a small booster. Having 5 Med drones makes the Nomen a superior choice. |

Chessur
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Posted - 2013.11.01 22:33:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Chessur wrote:The zealot vs ONI numbers are wrong. Counting drones, ONI has more DPS. Zealot http://i.imgur.com/j92BysN.jpg81K EHP 87 / 83 / 81 / 90 406 DPS 664 M/S 68.8 Sig Nomen http://i.imgur.com/86sRJFv.jpg63.6K EHP 75 / 67.5 / 80 / 79.4 421 DPS 849 M/S 55 Sig Nomen is still better. That increased speed + Sig will make a huge difference even while webbed and patined, when compared to the zealot. Cap is not an issue if you place a small booster. Having 5 Med drones makes the Nomen a superior choice. But all of this talk is ponitless, because I feel that OP is probably solo / small gang. And in that arena, the zealot is completely outclassed by the Nomen. As for a cerb fit- the only way to fit the cerb: http://i.imgur.com/kTPNQmd.jpg18.5K EHP 35 / 80 / 70 / 50 489 Unheated DPS 1893 M/S Your cerberus fit is completely wrong... try to check one of OUR cerberuses to see how they are fit properly.
Thanks but, pretty sure that is how to properly fit a cerb. Its the same fit that turn left uses, and the one that I had discussed with TL before the ship was even released. |

Chessur
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:03:00 -
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Well no ****- if you are already dead, than having more speed / ehp / dps is not going to help. Thanks for pointing that elephant in the room out to me. If it wasn't for you, i would have missed it. |

Chessur
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:22:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Is the impression that I am meant to be seeing is that rlml cerb is the best fit? Against other cruisers how does it fare?
RLML is the only way to fit a cerb, and it does very well against cruisers. It rapes them. |

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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:53:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:I was under the impression that ham was viable? My old ham rook scored some good kills before it got ganked.
Well to fit hams, you are throwing away the absurd tank, and the speed. You also need a painter if you are planning to kite. If you are trying to brawl, you basically need to be in web range with web applied to do full damage to other cruisers (And if they are linked, you will stil not do full damage). So really its up to you. |

Chessur
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:05:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:I was under the impression that ham was viable? My old ham rook scored some good kills before it got ganked. Just look at ship stats while linked. If speed is 160% of signature radius or higher, CN HAMs start losing damage. The very high DRF on HAMs means it's very close to a 1:1 ratio, speed at 320% signature is 50% damage, 640% is 25%, etc. Just to demonstrate, a linked Scythe Fleet Issue with a Domi MWD and 2 nanos has a signature of 308m and goes 3444m/sec. It takes about 15% of EFT DPS from CN Scourge HAMs. Even if you web this ship, HAMs are still only doing 35-40% damage. If they overload their MWD, you can apply two webs and RLMs will STILL do more DPS than HAMs. While HAMs can't even hit ABing battleships for full DPS, if you load precisions into your RLMs you can still do 100% of EFT DPS to a Scythe Fleet with links, titan bonus, deadspace MWD, and a full Halo set. Skirmish links completely invalidate all missile systems bigger than RLMs, period. The Sacrilege is actually overpowered if noone has links, but becomes **** if everyone does. That's just what happens when you combine a speed increase with a sig reduction of that magnitude.
SAC is not OP, not even close. It lacks a much needed low slot, and has no ship bonus for missile application. Its stuck using HAM's, and HAM's are so trash- shooting a linked or unlinked ship. |

Chessur
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Posted - 2013.11.03 01:39:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:[Cerberus, Cerberus fit HAM]
Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II
Faint Warp Disruptor I Medium Shield Booster II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Amplifier II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Probably a dirt-crap fit but for fighting other cruisers I've found it "adequate".
Pimping it out results in
[Cerberus, Cerberus fit HAM bling]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Corelum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive Caldari Navy Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy EM Ward Amplifier Shadow Serpentis Warp Disruptor Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
With quite a bit better dps and of course range improvements across the board. WIth implants you break 840 dps, the problem is of course: application.
Why are you fitting medium shield boosters to a cruiser, with out a cap booster and a medium core defense cap safeguard... I dont even... my eyes bleed. Faint warp disruptor? Come on man.... fit dual LSE and be done with it, and throw an anci in the rigs with a T2 EM screen |

Chessur
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Posted - 2013.11.03 12:35:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Haha yes I thought that would be your conclusion. Neither of fits are real I just wanted to know your thoughts on viability of an active tanked cerb.
But even so those fits are nearly cap stable if you fit 3% cap implants. I have about 5 different cerbs and they're all configured differently
Active tank cerbs are amazing, RLML cerbs sport an XLASB. However a HAM cerb, can't hope to fit that type of tank. |
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