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Bakarr	Posted - 2006.02.06 11:12:00 - [1] On the main page there is a news piece that Eve has reached 100.000 subscribers, it says that the dream of making a game for the elite gamers is a reality (or something of the sort). What does this mean? Eve is a ultra-hardcore gamer experience only? No room in it for other player styles?
QuantumX	Posted - 2006.02.06 11:17:00 - [2] EvE is very different to many of the "main" stream games i have played. It requires a very different attitude to any other game i have played. What makes it accessable for people is that you dont have the level grind through playing. You can learn while offline. This for me make the game very accessable. BUT to play EvE well it requires a commitment that many gamers find hard to give, and its not a commitment to play hundreds of hours a month, but to have goals and ideals on how you want to play and where you want to go. Now this not being "lead by the nose" gameplay does make eve a far more player made experience.. For me eve is the untimate sand and water play pit with lots of toys to use in the pit. BUT to play in the pit you gotta have a bit of imagination to make it all worthwhile!!!! ========================== I came i saw i got blown up!
Jebidus Skari	Posted - 2006.02.06 11:27:00 - [3] Players that used to play Elite?
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2006.02.06 11:28:00 - [4] Yes, it's for the hardcore. The carebears repeatedly grinding out lvl4 missions like this was Lineage2 until they 'win' the game and get a faction BS have no clue. If you don't risk anything you don't gain anything, and having a huge wallet just for having a huge wallet's sake is stupid. I've heard people validating their gaming experience by how much ISK they've made. These people are dumbasses. Go. And. Spend. It! ___ The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky...
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.06 11:28:00 - [5] Its a game for players of Elite. Not a game for elite players. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. The Tachikomas won't stop tossing things at me!!!!11!!oneeleventy -Ductoris
Tony Fats	Posted - 2006.02.06 11:29:00 - [6] Elite is an 80's space game on which Eve is based.
Benco97	Posted - 2006.02.06 11:29:00 - [7] Everyone who played/plays Elite please raise you hand and be noted as the true owners of gaming Puts up his hand
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.06 11:31:00 - [8] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 06/02/2006 11:38:49 Originally by: Nero Scuro Yes, it's for the hardcore. The carebears repeatedly grinding out lvl4 missions like this was Lineage2 until they 'win' the game and get a faction BS have no clue. If you don't risk anything you don't gain anything, and having a huge wallet just for having a huge wallet's sake is stupid. I've heard people validating their gaming experience by how much ISK they've made. These people are dumbasses. Go. And. Spend. It! I validate it by how much ISK I make. But I refuse to make ISK by running missions, mining, etc. I make it through trading, and I rate the value of a trade by money divided by time. So if I make 20 million with 10 seconds of work a day, that's 2 million ISK/seconds, a pretty good number. At least that's what's fun about EVE to me. PvP bores me fast, mainly because I'm incredibly unlucky. In gangs, the day I join up to fight is the day that we NEVER find a single target. The next day, when I'm not there, they will kill 25 battleships. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. The Tachikomas won't stop tossing things at me!!!!11!!oneeleventy -Ductoris
babyblue	Posted - 2006.02.06 11:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Nero Scuro Yes, it's for the hardcore. The carebears repeatedly grinding out lvl4 missions like this was Lineage2 until they 'win' the game and get a faction BS have no clue. If you don't risk anything you don't gain anything, and having a huge wallet just for having a huge wallet's sake is stupid. I've heard people validating their gaming experience by how much ISK they've made. These people are dumbasses. Go. And. Spend. It! No it isn't for the "hardcore" at all. Grinding out level 4's is no different to grinding out a gate camp of real players. If people want to judge their success or failure by their ranking on a killboard, or their ISK, or their market dominance or their collection of faction ships or whatever, thats entirely up to them. It isn't for you to decide on other people's mmorpg value systems. Eve caters for a large array of them in any case. Imagine a game environment purely made up of Nero Scuro's. What an unbelievably tedious place that would be.
Golerre Evraun	Posted - 2006.02.06 12:09:00 - [10] oh i definately raise my hand, i started with elite, moved on the the 2 "sequels" and then lived in the wasteland of other games that just don't compare. until last november, when i discovered eve, and i haven't looked back. oh and CONGRATS CCP ON 100K!!!!! ---------------------------------------- If you ain't dyin, You Ain't tryin.

Taihira	Posted - 2006.02.06 12:30:00 - [11] Originally by: babyblue If people want to judge their success or failure by their ranking on a killboard, or their ISK, or their market dominance or their collection of faction ships or whatever, thats entirely up to them. I judge my success on a revolutionary concept... how much fun the game is. if only others thought likewise.
Coconut Joe	Posted - 2006.02.06 12:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Taihira Originally by: babyblue If people want to judge their success or failure by their ranking on a killboard, or their ISK, or their market dominance or their collection of faction ships or whatever, thats entirely up to them. I judge my success on a revolutionary concept... how much fun the game is. if only others thought likewise. hippy ---- Sneeze and the whole world sneezes with you, fart, and you fart alone.
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2006.02.06 12:39:00 - [13] Edited by: Nero Scuro on 06/02/2006 12:40:08 Originally by: babyblue Originally by: Nero Scuro Yes, it's for the hardcore. The carebears repeatedly grinding out lvl4 missions like this was Lineage2 until they 'win' the game and get a faction BS have no clue. If you don't risk anything you don't gain anything, and having a huge wallet just for having a huge wallet's sake is stupid. I've heard people validating their gaming experience by how much ISK they've made. These people are dumbasses. Go. And. Spend. It! No it isn't for the "hardcore" at all. Grinding out level 4's is no different to grinding out a gate camp of real players. If people want to judge their success or failure by their ranking on a killboard, or their ISK, or their market dominance or their collection of faction ships or whatever, thats entirely up to them. It isn't for you to decide on other people's mmorpg value systems. Eve caters for a large array of them in any case. Imagine a game environment purely made up of Nero Scuro's. What an unbelievably tedious place that would be. No, it wouldn't be tedious. Everybody would have guns and things would randomly and for no discernable reason explode, and you could dive in slow-motion while yelling 'noooooooo!'. It would be awesome. EDIT - and yes, validating your game experince by how much ISK you have is lame, full stop. But then again, rating it by your killboard rating is even lamer. Rate it by how much fun you've had. If you find it fun to watch an arbitary number rise, then good for you, but you are a boring, boring person. ___ The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky...
Kuolematon	Posted - 2006.02.06 12:53:00 - [14] Yes, EVE is for elite players because you cannot be any good with only training SP's. No, EVE has very little incommon with Elite and it's players. Unnerf Amarr!! "The Battleships is and should be a solo pwnmobile." - Ov
babyblue	Posted - 2006.02.06 12:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Nero Scuro Rate it by how much fun you've had. If you find it fun to watch an arbitary number rise, then good for you, but you are a boring, boring person. Do you rate a book by how much `fun' it is to read? Or a piece of music by how much `fun' it is to listen to? Do you rate a movie on how much `fun' it is to watch? There is more to life than the immediacy of your sensual experiences as anyone old enough to hold their own child will tell you. I am certain if I tried to engage you in conversation about Sartre or Rousseau, Beethoven or Stockhausen, I would find your insights very, very boring indeed.
Hygelac	Posted - 2006.02.06 12:58:00 - [16] I would have said that they were talking about "Elite", an old BBC/Speccy/Amstrad game of yore. Wireframe graphics and utterly utterly addictive. Here's a Link to the Manual, with some screenies. ... Of course, it doesn't hold a candle to Eve, but when Eve is down or I'm away from the Net, I like to dust off my old Amstrad Emulator and play Elite, I've even got a Docking Computer now, which makes the Lave -> Reidquat run a hell of a lot easier :D
Pistonbroke	Posted - 2006.02.06 13:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Golerre Evraun oh i definately raise my hand, i started with elite, moved on the the 2 "sequels" and then lived in the wasteland of other games that just don't compare. until last november, when i discovered eve, and i haven't looked back. oh and CONGRATS CCP ON 100K!!!!! What he said, except it was September 2004 I think for me........
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2006.02.06 13:07:00 - [18] Originally by: babyblue Originally by: Nero Scuro Rate it by how much fun you've had. If you find it fun to watch an arbitary number rise, then good for you, but you are a boring, boring person. Do you rate a book by how much `fun' it is to read? Or a piece of music by how much `fun' it is to listen to? Do you rate a movie on how much `fun' it is to watch? There is more to life than the immediacy of your sensual experiences as anyone old enough to hold their own child will tell you. I am certain if I tried to engage you in conversation about Sartre or Rousseau, Beethoven or Stockhausen, I would find your insights very, very boring indeed. Wow, nice out-of-context examples there. Ok, replace 'fun' with 'enjoyment' (which basically means the exact same thing in my original context) and there you go. Yes, I rate music, films and books by how much enjoyment I get from it (wow! Who would've thought? I'm practically a child!). It's not like you are fufilling some higher need beyond your entertainment when you play a game anyway, so cut the crap. Point still stands - if you derive enjoyment from watching an arbitary and above all pointless number rise, you are boring. Deal. ___ The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky...
Ithoriel	Posted - 2006.02.06 13:13:00 - [19] Originally by: babyblue Do you rate a book by how much `fun' it is to read? Or a piece of music by how much `fun' it is to listen to? Do you rate a movie on how much `fun' it is to watch? err ....... yes Since none of us are going to get out of this life alive all that's left is how much fun the ride was. Originally by: babyblue I am certain if I tried to engage you in conversation about Sartre or Rousseau, Beethoven or Stockhausen, I would find your insights very, very boring indeed. I am certain that if you tried to engage me in conversation about boring books and music by dead people I'd run a mile!
babyblue	Posted - 2006.02.06 13:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Nero Scuro Wow, nice out-of-context examples there. Ok, replace 'fun' with 'enjoyment' (which basically means the exact same thing in my original context) and there you go. Yes, I rate music, films and books by how much enjoyment I get from it (wow! Who would've thought? I'm practically a child!). It's not like you are fufilling some higher need beyond your entertainment when you play a game anyway, so cut the crap. Point still stands - if you derive enjoyment from watching an arbitary and above all pointless number rise, you are boring. Deal. Increasing wealth is a numeric measure of success in an economy and economics is at the heart of Eve. If you think otherwise, then you are just playing the game at the margins. Your limited real-life experiences probably haven't given you the opportunity of yet experiencing enojyment from success gained over a long period of time. That is why your "enjoyment" is entirely based on what's right in front of you, here and now. The most powerful players in Eve are players who play the market - they might get into their ships for some adrenaline thumping `fun', but their success is economic, built over the long term and stimulating to them just the same.

Kefra	Posted - 2006.02.06 13:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Nero Scuro Point still stands - if you derive enjoyment from watching an arbitary and above all pointless number rise, you are boring. Deal. Well, no... you say that they are boring. I could say your condescending attitude towards other playstyles, different from your own, stem from deep-seated insecurities and self-doubt.
Vladimir Ilych	Posted - 2006.02.06 13:27:00 - [22] Played Elite. Would be great to get some of the elements from Elite into EVE. Would love to be able to put bigger/better engines in ships to start with.
Bl4zer	Posted - 2006.02.06 13:30:00 - [23] Originally by: babyblue Increasing wealth is a numeric measure of success in an economy and economics is at the heart of Eve. If you think otherwise, then you are just playing the game at the margins. To get the most out of the game you have to be good at both the economic and the combat aspects of the game. Only those that are successful economically can buy and equip the best ships. And only those who gain combat experience with using those ships will be able to fully utilize them. Eve is great because it is not one dimensional, and those that only play one aspect of the game, be it the economic aspect or the combat aspect, miss out on so much. Save the Ubar asteroids
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2006.02.06 13:59:00 - [24] Originally by: babyblue Originally by: Nero Scuro Wow, nice out-of-context examples there. Ok, replace 'fun' with 'enjoyment' (which basically means the exact same thing in my original context) and there you go. Yes, I rate music, films and books by how much enjoyment I get from it (wow! Who would've thought? I'm practically a child!). It's not like you are fufilling some higher need beyond your entertainment when you play a game anyway, so cut the crap. Point still stands - if you derive enjoyment from watching an arbitary and above all pointless number rise, you are boring. Deal. Increasing wealth is a numeric measure of success in an economy and economics is at the heart of Eve. If you think otherwise, then you are just playing the game at the margins. Your limited real-life experiences probably haven't given you the opportunity of yet experiencing enojyment from success gained over a long period of time. That is why your "enjoyment" is entirely based on what's right in front of you, here and now. The most powerful players in Eve are players who play the market - they might get into their ships for some adrenaline thumping `fun', but their success is economic, built over the long term and stimulating to them just the same. No, I specifically play EVE because it's long-term. And I never said having lots of ISK is sad, because having lots of ISK opens up new avenues of entertainment within the game. But collecting ISK for nothing but ISK's sake is sad. End of story. ___ The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky...
Griefer Troll	Posted - 2006.02.06 14:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Nero Scuro Point still stands - if you derive enjoyment from watching an arbitary and above all pointless number rise, you are boring. Deal. Well some might say sitting on a gate in a dead-end system for hours on end waiting for a totally pointless and arbitrary kill to arrive is equally boring. Or, warping all round a system hunting someone who is most likely docked, and certainly wants nothing to do with you, and who you probably won't catch anyway - yeah that can be pretty boring. Some might say that those who are always pointing elsewhere and labelling, do so for the lack of interesting content when they look inwards. You will have to accept that people are going to get enjoyment in different ways. You can be childish about it and call them 'boring people' because they dont conform to your personal conception of fun or enjoyment, or you can just keep your mouth shut and not sound like an idiot. The choice is yours. For my own personal amusement i actually prefer the first option.
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2006.02.06 14:01:00 - [26] Originally by: Kefra Originally by: Nero Scuro Point still stands - if you derive enjoyment from watching an arbitary and above all pointless number rise, you are boring. Deal. Well, no... you say that they are boring. I could say your condescending attitude towards other playstyles, different from your own, stem from deep-seated insecurities and self-doubt. Wow, doctor moron, you're right! That's a perfect evaluation of my psyche you've just pulled out of your ass based on a couple of sentences I wrote on an online forum! How do you do it? Oh yes, you don't, shut up. And everything I say is right. Ever. So nyah. ___ The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky...
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.02.06 14:05:00 - [27] Originally by: Dark Shikari Its a game for players of Elite. Not a game for elite players. BAH HUMBUG. I still say Eve draws a lot more from Tradewars than Elite Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command
J nx	Posted - 2006.02.06 14:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Benco97 Everyone who played/plays Elite please raise you hand and be noted as the true owners of gaming Puts up his hand waves around love it when those fighters jumped up behind you when in flying thru space...
Stradivarious	Posted - 2006.02.06 14:19:00 - [29] Edited by: Stradivarious on 06/02/2006 14:21:13 Originally by: Maya Rkell I still say Eve draws a lot more from Tradewars than Elite Tradewars 4tw! I used to get ***ed off at only having 1 turn a day For the uninformed, TradeWars* I like to think of myself as the chlorine in the gene pool. VC Public View Killboard
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2006.02.06 14:30:00 - [30] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 06/02/2006 14:32:02 My isk plan: 1) grind isk 2) use these isk to get more isk 3) be able to loose e.g. t2 fitted bs without having much to worry how to get the next one 4) get dreadnought, carrier etc. Isks and economical success have no other purpose for me. Accumulate isks now to finance destruction later. At the moment I can only destroy aka loose elite frigs how I like, only pain is to go to empire and get new ones. Once I don't have to be afraid of any kind of ship loss, I have won EVE. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'



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