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Partisan Ograe
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Posted - 2006.02.06 14:20:00 -
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Has any group actually established a POS in empire space between .4 - .7 or is this sitll just a unrealistic pipe dream? If it has been done how difficult was it to do so?
** So, I like mining, whats the big deal? ** |
Leila Manu
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Posted - 2006.02.06 16:35:00 -
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the problem is that only single member corps or missionrunner corps can do that because the corp needs an standing of 4.0 up to 7.0 to the faction wh is controlling the system
most corps have members running different agents i.e. galente and caoldari so mission for caldari put standing up and if someone else run galente mission caldari standing is falling down
so you need a corp of mission runner of only one race where you want to build up a pos
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2006.02.06 17:38:00 -
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Why would anyone want to?
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak. |
Karash Amerius
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Posted - 2006.02.06 21:13:00 -
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Yea seriously, why would anyone want to?
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Marcus Tedric
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Posted - 2006.02.07 09:42:00 -
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Well
I'm thinking about it and will do the maths when it becomes a possibility.
One obvious reason is to run one purely to have the Laboratory facility available whenever you want it in a High Sec system.
Just think of all those lucky recent T2 winners who'd like somewhere to get ME research without trying out Low Sec facilities and risking the gate camps with a 10Bil BPO!
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Yang Tze
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Posted - 2006.02.07 11:11:00 -
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So with these empire POS, can you anchor guns at them? If so, do you lose security status if they shoot someone? Again, if so, what's to stop someone suiciding a load of n00b ships until your sec status is -10?
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el commandante
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Posted - 2006.02.07 12:25:00 -
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you can anchor guns, but your pos will only fire at ppl your at war with. read the release notes. so, no need to fear the evil sec rating and no dead noobs at all. ----------------------------------------- if you own something that you cant leave behind in 5 min it owns you. i was owned once too. |
el commandante
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Posted - 2006.02.07 12:27:00 -
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btw: the low sec pos shoots at everyone - if you like - and you dont get sec hits there ether. the pos is owned by a corp alway, never a person. all you get is some hate mails or some whiner asking for replacement of there ship. ----------------------------------------- if you own something that you cant leave behind in 5 min it owns you. i was owned once too. |
Gretchen Dawntreader
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Posted - 2006.02.07 17:12:00 -
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Can these higher sec POS provide any money-making services?
I thought I heard they still take fuel and charters ($$$) to run yet you can't do moon mining with them. That alone makes me think why bother.
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Mike Yagon
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Posted - 2006.02.07 17:41:00 -
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Don't quote me on this but I *think* manufacturing arrays have a 25% material cost reduction.
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Aluka 7th
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Posted - 2006.02.07 18:30:00 -
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It burns one charter per hour. For Amarr it like 2,2mil per day extra.
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Mathias Zealot
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Posted - 2006.02.07 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Mike Yagon Don't quote me on this but I *think* manufacturing arrays have a 25% material cost reduction.
That's material WASTE reduction, it wont take it below the perfect mineral requirements (the ones listed in the item database) for the item. If it did, you could make an unlimited quantity of minerals (and thus, isk) by building and refining any item you want since you would get more minerals from refining it than you did from building it.
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Mike Yagon
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Posted - 2006.02.07 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mathias Zealot
Originally by: Mike Yagon Don't quote me on this but I *think* manufacturing arrays have a 25% material cost reduction.
That's material WASTE reduction, it wont take it below the perfect mineral requirements (the ones listed in the item database) for the item. If it did, you could make an unlimited quantity of minerals (and thus, isk) by building and refining any item you want since you would get more minerals from refining it than you did from building it.
Thanks. :)
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Lurtz
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Posted - 2006.02.13 17:38:00 -
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ah, but it is the only way now to make a mission running dread in safe space
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Coren Draco
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Posted - 2006.02.14 12:44:00 -
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U can build dreads and carriers in all STATIONs in low sec. its not limited to POS. But u can only build motherships and titans at 0.0 POS in systems your alliance got sovereignty.
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Lurtz
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Posted - 2006.02.14 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Coren Draco U can build dreads and carriers in all STATIONs in low sec. its not limited to POS. But u can only build motherships and titans at 0.0 POS in systems your alliance got sovereignty.
Correct, but what I said, is POS in safe space with large array is the only way to build a dread in high sec now. Annoying as I am an industrialist that has no interest in flying them, and refuse to go to low sec just to build. This was a needless nerf, that destroyed some players that build.
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.02.15 03:51:00 -
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I still can't really see the point of having a POS to research at. Sure slots aren't always available , but its a MASSIVE expence to go to.
I have some sort of genetic defect that makes my sigs too big :( |
Ashvul
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Posted - 2006.02.15 04:22:00 -
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there are some methods of research that generate great deals of profit, and a reduced research time will only increase those profits.
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Goddance
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Posted - 2006.02.15 08:11:00 -
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Edited by: Goddance on 15/02/2006 08:15:25 Edited by: Goddance on 15/02/2006 08:11:27 I set up a POS today in 0.5 space just to test with.
Same as setting one up in 0.0 I'm assuming.
I'm guessing it will cost 20M ISK per week without mining my own ice. I'm not gonna leave it up, just curiousity is all.
I put up a small caldari tower in 0.5 with a corp hangar.
I then got out my noob alt in a kestrel and started lobbing missiles at it. Apparently CONCORD doesn't care if I lose my POS in "safe" space
I then installed 2 hybrid guns, and set it up for aggression and war.
My alt didn't last long needless to say, I was sitting there, its as if my alt stole ore from me. Flashed red etc...
Guess you still need to defend the POS's in safe space.
I didn't see where I took a security hit. I did get a kill mail from my sentry killing my alt, but nothing else came of it.
Hope this helps
Sorry for shouting, but CCP stopped taking my phone calls.
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Phoebe McCeres
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Posted - 2006.02.15 11:10:00 -
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I would like to know if I can harvest moon minerals in a 0.4 system with a true security below .4. I've surveyed all the moons in the system and found some pretty good moons... I'm planning on trying it myself tomorrow if nobody can tell me for certain that it doesn't work.
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Goddance
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Posted - 2006.02.15 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: Goddance on 15/02/2006 14:04:41
Originally by: Phoebe McCeres I would like to know if I can harvest moon minerals in a 0.4 system with a true security below .4. I've surveyed all the moons in the system and found some pretty good moons... I'm planning on trying it myself tomorrow if nobody can tell me for certain that it doesn't work.
Moon mining is only allowed below .4 space
Linkage
Sorry for shouting, but CCP stopped taking my phone calls.
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Partisan Ograe
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Posted - 2006.02.15 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Goddance Edited by: Goddance on 15/02/2006 09:40:54
I set up a POS today in 0.5 space just to test with.
Same as setting one up in 0.0 I'm assuming.
I'm guessing it will cost 20M ISK per week without mining my own ice. I'm not gonna leave it up, just curiousity is all.
I put up a small caldari tower in 0.5 with a corp hangar.
I then got out my noob alt in a kestrel and started lobbing missiles at it. Apparently CONCORD doesn't care if I lose my POS in "safe" space
I then installed 2 hybrid guns, and set it up for aggression and war.
My alt didn't last long needless to say, I was sitting there, its as if my alt stole ore from me. Flashed red with the 15 minute aggression timer, etc...
Guess you still need to defend the POS's in safe space.
I didn't see where I took a security hit. I did get a kill mail from my sentry killing my alt, but nothing else came of it.
Hope this helps
Edit: I'm gonna leave it up for a day or so, if there is anything someone would want tested, please post it here. I only have the small tower, hanger and guns. If your curious about refining or labs, I'm willing to accept donations.
I'm assuming your corporation has a standing of 5 or higher with the empire its placed in correct? And if so how did you get the needed charters? Do you have to keep doing agent missions to get them or can you buy them from other players or is it a one time payment deal?
** So, I like mining, whats the big deal? ** |
Goddance
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Posted - 2006.02.15 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Goddance on 15/02/2006 23:29:46
Originally by: Partisan Ograe
I'm assuming your corporation has a standing of 5 or higher with the empire its placed in correct? And if so how did you get the needed charters? Do you have to keep doing agent missions to get them or can you buy them from other players or is it a one time payment deal?
My corps Caldari faction is 6.72 (solo corp), i received some of the charters from agent missions, but the rest i bought (cheap) from players off the market. I'm not sure about the rest of the empires but the charters are common in Caldari space. POS burns 1 charter per hour.
I am hoping the upcoming "advanced research" (a.k.a. nerf) will create some opportunity for safe space research, but not gonna hold my breath.
Sorry for shouting, but CCP stopped taking my phone calls.
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Dalekplunger Slick
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Posted - 2006.02.16 04:34:00 -
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If attacking a POS in Empire makes you flag criminal to the owner of the POS, he can choose not to attack you and be protected by Concord, right? I mean he can orbit you at 1000 meters while you blast his POS and be safe from you attacking his ship, (unless there is a wardec of course).
If this is true, what would stop a person defending an Empire POS from simply refilling it with strontium so that it never shuts down? His hauler would be protected by Concord while he refueled the POS, wouldn't it?
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Goddance
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Posted - 2006.02.16 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dalekplunger Slick If attacking a POS in Empire makes you flag criminal to the owner of the POS, he can choose not to attack you and be protected by Concord, right? I mean he can orbit you at 1000 meters while you blast his POS and be safe from you attacking his ship, (unless there is a wardec of course).
If this is true, what would stop a person defending an Empire POS from simply refilling it with strontium so that it never shuts down? His hauler would be protected by Concord while he refueled the POS, wouldn't it?
If this works the same as can flagging (and it seemed to) then YES.
Sorry for shouting, but CCP stopped taking my phone calls.
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Lev Arris
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Posted - 2006.02.16 12:08:00 -
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Were you able to deploy the POS in a tech 1 indy or did you need something bigger (i.e. tech 2 indy or freighter)?
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Phoebe McCeres
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Posted - 2006.02.16 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Goddance
Originally by: Phoebe McCeres ...
Moon mining is only allowed below .4 space
Linkage
Well, are they ever going to allow it? Since the moons in 0.4 have minerals. And has anyone actually tried it? Since my system has a true sec below 0.4.
(sorry, i just keep hoping)
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Dalekplunger Slick
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Posted - 2006.02.16 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Phoebe McCeres
Originally by: Goddance
Originally by: Phoebe McCeres ...
Moon mining is only allowed below .4 space
Linkage
Well, are they ever going to allow it? Since the moons in 0.4 have minerals. And has anyone actually tried it? Since my system has a true sec below 0.4.
(sorry, i just keep hoping)
My understanding is that the moon minerals market is already flooded. Unless the number of T2 producers is greatly expanded, or there is something else to build that uses moon minerals, I donĘt see any reason CCP would expand moon mining to higher sec.
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Lily Savage
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Posted - 2006.02.16 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Lily Savage on 16/02/2006 20:58:52
Originally by: Dalekplunger Slick
My understanding is that the moon minerals market is already flooded. Unless the number of T2 producers is greatly expanded, or there is something else to build that uses moon minerals, I donĘt see any reason CCP would expand moon mining to higher sec.[/quote
Well there are a whole load of new T2 BPOs out there (RMR ships and ammo & missiles).
Can you have a reactor at an empire POS? I think there's room in the market for some more producers of T2 advanced materials, and those can only be made at a POS reactor.
Edit: Found the answer in the other POS thread
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Somatic Neuron
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Posted - 2006.02.17 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mathias Zealot
Originally by: Mike Yagon Don't quote me on this but I *think* manufacturing arrays have a 25% material cost reduction.
That's material WASTE reduction, it wont take it below the perfect mineral requirements (the ones listed in the item database) for the item. If it did, you could make an unlimited quantity of minerals (and thus, isk) by building and refining any item you want since you would get more minerals from refining it than you did from building it.
Then, seriously, what is the point of those assembly arrays, if they don't further reduce the cost to build? That was supposed to be the whole point, right? To reduce build costs further than with NPC owned facilities, so that you could compete better with those that couldn't build in POS? I mean, it would have to have a significant benefit, to begin with, to offset using the POS build method anyway, as there is a lot more cost involved in operating a POS than by using NPC facilities...plus, given the fact you cannot even mine moon materials to help offset the costs of running the POS, and you've just eliminated about every reason to even attempt to try and put one up in 0.4-0.7....not to mention the fact that they have made it so hard to even attempt to put one up, with the insane standings requirements, that anyone other than a 1-player corp cannot do it.... ---------- |
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