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Dr Baltar	Posted - 2006.02.07 08:19:00 - [1] Hi, I recently restarted to play EVE. I used to play lot of WoW before and am a bit puzzled about the combat tactics against NPC pirates. It seems that the only skills atm that i can use is fire missiles (or guns) and use shield booster. In WoW every class has about 30-40 different abilities and the fun of the game is about determining which of those many abilities to use at a given situation. Due to the vast number of abilities this can be actually quite fun and interesting. But in EVE my shipp has only 4 high powered slots which you mostly likely equip with guns, so I cannot see any other way to fight as: 1. Target enemy 2. Shoot 3. Maybe use shield booster 4. Next enemy Or am I missing here something? Any help appreciated! Regards, Doc
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.02.07 08:23:00 - [2] PvE in Eve sucks in general, but it pays well. p - l - u - r My first vid
Grimwalius d'Antan	Posted - 2006.02.07 08:24:00 - [3] It looks simple in comparison to WoW because there are no preset moves like spells and such, all the trickery you do by hand by manually clicking where to maneuver. It is not like you can cast a spell of protection either, you gotta maneuver the ship yourself for protection (go fast enough and the NPCs can't hit you for example).
Darwinia	Posted - 2006.02.07 08:31:00 - [4] Pure NPC hunting in EVE is pretty dumbed down.. in the right ship is more or less akin to mining. Target, activate mining lasers, next roid. If you want any challenge (and fun) out of it, you have to create it yourself by using inferior ships/setups. I would welcome any change that would make PvE less predictable. ------------------------ I don't believe in sigs.
Gallenlicious	Posted - 2006.02.07 08:40:00 - [5] Find a battleship and see if you can take it down witha t1 frigate. --------- Tasty French Treat.
Hubriss	Posted - 2006.02.07 08:53:00 - [6] PVE in EVE is terribly straight forward and boring. The AI is bad and the amount of ways that you can interact with the AI is extremely limited. WOW PVE and just about any MMO is better. That said, the player driven elements of eve are what make it interesting, which is really what makes an MMO an MMO to begin with, and EVE hit that out of the park.
Suhadi	Posted - 2006.02.07 11:09:00 - [7] PvE in EVE, WoW, or just about any other MMORPG is dull, predictable and repetitive. So you have 30-40 abilities in WoW; what do you do with them? You find a sequence of 4-5 that is IWIN, rinse and repeat. Same as any game, nothing new here. -------------------------------------------------- - Suhadi
Gerbil Intaki	Posted - 2006.02.07 12:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Suhadi PvE in EVE, WoW, or just about any other MMORPG is dull, predictable and repetitive. So you have 30-40 abilities in WoW; what do you do with them? You find a sequence of 4-5 that is IWIN, rinse and repeat. Same as any game, nothing new here. QFT EVE = Target Lock + Fire all guns + maybe Armour Repair WOW = Target + Hammer "Sinsterstrike" + maybe Potion
Adoro	Posted - 2006.02.07 13:17:00 - [9] Edited by: Adoro on 07/02/2006 13:17:24 Originally by: Suhadi PvE in EVE, WoW, or just about any other MMORPG is dull, predictable and repetitive. So you have 30-40 abilities in WoW; what do you do with them? You find a sequence of 4-5 that is IWIN, rinse and repeat. Same as any game, nothing new here. Agree @ Gallenlicious Try this: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=241500 ---------
Malachon Draco	Posted - 2006.02.07 13:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan (go fast enough and the NPCs can't hit you for example). Umm, does that mean that me simply stopping and using my Ferox as a stationary missile base is not that smart? I rarely have trouble killing things this way, but does this really help vs NPCs?
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.07 13:28:00 - [11] There's one major difference. WoW is a fairy game for kids. EVE is a badass space game for adults. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron
Suhadi	Posted - 2006.02.07 13:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Dark Shikari There's one major difference. WoW is a fairy game for kids. EVE is a badass space game for adults. QFT. Originally by: Malachon Draco Umm, does that mean that me simply stopping and using my Ferox as a stationary missile base is not that smart? I rarely have trouble killing things this way, but does this really help vs NPCs? Doubtful that you would be going fast enough in a Ferox to throw turret tracking off. Sweet explanation of tracking and gunnery in general. -------------------------------------------------- - Suhadi
Missa Symone	Posted - 2006.02.07 14:27:00 - [13] PVE in Eve is exactly the same as WoW. It is boring if you are fighting gimp mobs, and exciting if you are going out of your way to find a challenge. Run level 2 missions in a frigate, like Murderer Brought to Justice (the 3 cruiser escort version) for instance, and the game is a whole lot more exciting. Run a 2/10 pirate complex in a frigate, and you'll be making all sorts of decisions on the fly (pun intended). If that gets boring, start exploring lowsec. Ultimately, this is a PVP, player-run game. PVE is for making ISK and gaining faction. --------- One player, too many games
Ominus Decre	Posted - 2006.02.07 17:05:00 - [14] Originally by: Dr Baltar Hi, I recently restarted to play EVE. I used to play lot of WoW before and am a bit puzzled about the combat tactics against NPC pirates. It seems that the only skills atm that i can use is fire missiles (or guns) and use shield booster. In WoW every class has about 30-40 different abilities and the fun of the game is about determining which of those many abilities to use at a given situation. Due to the vast number of abilities this can be actually quite fun and interesting. But in EVE my shipp has only 4 high powered slots which you mostly likely equip with guns, so I cannot see any other way to fight as: 1. Target enemy 2. Shoot 3. Maybe use shield booster 4. Next enemy Or am I missing here something? Any help appreciated! Regards, Doc First, WoW's PVE is great! I do not enjoy playing WoW but I am able to identify a good feature when it's experianced. WoW's PVE is one of the best out of the handfull of MMORPG's I've played. (I haven't played many) EVE's PvE sytem is really more of a static system to work out tactics and strategy. It's not as great as WoW and I can think of several other MMO's that has a PVE system better then EVE. The ironic thing is I enjoy EVE's PvE more then those other games. Go figure! Well...the OP is asking why he has 30+ skills to use in WoW but only a few selctions in EVE. I have played WoW and clearly know that you do _NOT_ have more then 2-3 skills when you start out and even then, only 1 or 2 are actually usefull. Maybe you have 30+ skills since you are an UBER 1337 shaman or something similar. If that's the case of your reference then you obviously need to ditch the WoW mentality since it's dumbing you down. WoW has an odd affliction of idiotcy. The impact on players abilities to think outside of the box is midboggling due to their involvement with WoW. You have more possiblities in EVE then you could imagine. Just because you do not have access to them does not mean it doesn't exist. If anyone has played "Magic the Gathering" or a similar strategic card game they understand how the oportunities are endless. EVE is the same. You choose what and how you want to do it. Imagine having a deck of cards from one of these "card games" and wandered around with random players challenging you. You will learn diversity while developing your knowledge of how to build a usefull strategy.
DarkBluePanther007	Posted - 2006.02.07 17:13:00 - [15] hmm I don't think it's right to compare Wow and Eve. you'll spend time in EVE choosing what settings, what ships, what ways are better... You can specialise into drones, Electronic warfare, firepower, shielding etc... The deeper you go the more those choices are important
Brastagi	Posted - 2006.02.07 17:54:00 - [16] WoW PvE is just the same as Lineage 2 and other games. (Hey I played it also! My first MMORPG experience was Ragnarok Online!) Dear OP, Eve is gameplay mechanic is bit close to reality where you only need to use a steering wheel to do that turn around the corner of your downtown city. If you have ever played games like Elite or X series you will know that there are no such thing as 30-40 abilities that you can use at certain situation. However the skill training in Eve is pretty much different from other "generic" MMO by a long shot. You don't need to LVL up your character by exp grinding. All you need to train "new/advance" skills is by buying them from the market. These skills are your "life and blood" to develop your character! Some skills are needed for you to use certain weapon and ships. Eve-Online is a different type of gameplay than other "generic" MMO. Learning curve is pretty steep here. But once you get used to it and familiarize yourself, you will get the hang of it Trust me, I'm a living proof! --------- ~Mencari orang Indo~
Riku Suzuki	Posted - 2006.02.07 18:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Dr Baltar Hi, I recently restarted to play EVE. I used to play lot of WoW before and am a bit puzzled about the combat tactics against NPC pirates. It seems that the only skills atm that i can use is fire missiles (or guns) and use shield booster. In WoW every class has about 30-40 different abilities and the fun of the game is about determining which of those many abilities to use at a given situation. Due to the vast number of abilities this can be actually quite fun and interesting. But in EVE my shipp has only 4 high powered slots which you mostly likely equip with guns, so I cannot see any other way to fight as: 1. Target enemy 2. Shoot 3. Maybe use shield booster 4. Next enemy Or am I missing here something? Any help appreciated! Regards, Doc Train different ships. Different ships use different weapons (blasters, railguns, projectile guns, lasers, drones, missiles, energy drain weapons, etc.) effectively. Different kinds of ammo/drones are more effective vs different kinds of enemies. And different kinds of ship set-ups are more effective at "tanking" damage against different kinds of enemies. While I agree that the lowest level spawns are an easy affair, believe me, when you get to the point of fighting against 3xBS spawns in 0.0 with 2x cruisers as wingmen, or dealing with the hostiles you have to deal with in a complex, it's not as simple as target, shoot and shield boost! You need to be fit correctly, use the right ammo and range, watch your transversal velocity, hopefully use drones effectively, manage your capacitor flow effectively and so forth. EVE is like an onion ... it has many layers of complexity, and you only need to understand the most basic layers at the beginning. As you progress and gain skill (both skillpoints and skill at the game), you'll learn more about the complexities of the game, and you'll need this knowledge to succeed at PvP and higher-end PvE as well.
Philoe Beddoe	Posted - 2006.02.07 19:55:00 - [18] Hunter Weapon!!!!1!one!
TimeKeepr	Posted - 2006.02.07 20:55:00 - [19] here's a pve challenge... try taking a maller (t1 amarr cruiser) out to 0.0 space to fight battleship spawns.
Philoe Beddoe	Posted - 2006.02.07 21:23:00 - [20] Originally by: TimeKeepr here's a pve challenge... try taking a maller (t1 amarr cruiser) out to 0.0 space to fight battleship spawns. I play both currently. WoW and Eve Online are 2 totally different balls of wax. WoW has mass player mass appeal due to it's range of difficulty. Any kid can play well, but it takes skill to play real well most of the time. There is no end game for small groups and grinding 2 60 again isn't all that interesting to me. It only took my 6 weeks my first time. WoW is a beatifully done game and definately has it's place. (If you have hours to spare) Eve isn't simple for anyone starting off, I'm pretty sure. I'm only around 100k SP so far and I'm amazed at the complexity of the game and enjoy how free it is. And the PvP aspect almost as good as UO was before the carebear land took form. That, im my opinion, is what made UO so popular. UO set the bar and really hasn't been touched since, but this comes close. I'm more into Sci Fi then Fantasy, but if you are into MMORPGs, those are your only 2 choices.
Fundine	Posted - 2006.02.07 21:25:00 - [21] One huge difference is that if you get pwned in Eve by an NPC and unable to warp away in time - its bye bye ship and everything on and in it - all your wepons/shields/gizmos/cargo blow up along with it. I find I am spending most of my time outfitting new ships trying to find the right combo to take on some of the tougher L1 and L2 kill missions. Odd though, I never got such tough L1 kill missions til I started getting l2 kill missions, now some of the ones given by L1 agents have multiple missile firing nasties waiting for me when I come out of warp. The real challenge as I see it, is training the right skills so you can use the right equipment to do the job you set out to do (or are sent to do)
Steel Dakota	Posted - 2006.02.07 22:01:00 - [22] Having just started the game I can say that it is very enjoyable, and if you just take your time at the beginning and read and ask questions the learning curve isnÆt that bad. Having played WoW (3 lvl 60Æs û rogue, shammy, wizard) my fastest lvl 60 was in under 3 weeks (and I paid someone to lvl my wizard). That being said I would use almost the same 3 or 4 moves in the BGÆs over and over. I loved my Rogue but endgame got kind of boring, the last really fun thing I did was get the barmans shanker and that was a friggin grind if there ever was one (had to kill the guy like 40 times). EvE seems to be a long term game with both long and short term goals. At first when I saw it I thought to myself ôonline freelancer à this is going to be boring, but might as well try the free partö and I am glad I did! I think if I stick with EvE for a year like I did with WoW and DAoC I might get to a point where I am happy with my character (as opposed to wow where I was happy in about a month). The depth of this game is amazing if I read it right (6000+ systems!!!) and the possibilities are almost endless one ship configuration and character development. I think I will stick with this for a long time to come!
Exellion	Posted - 2006.02.07 22:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Dark Shikari There's one major difference. WoW is a fairy game for kids. EVE is a badass space game for adults. One of the most immature statements I¦ve ever heard. No argument, no reason no...nothing
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.07 22:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Exellion Originally by: Dark Shikari There's one major difference. WoW is a fairy game for kids. EVE is a badass space game for adults. One of the most immature statements I¦ve ever heard. No argument, no reason no...nothing Do you really need a reason? Have you not played World of Warcraft? Its a game where when you die you lose NOTHING. There is no penalty for stupidity. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron
Exellion	Posted - 2006.02.07 22:22:00 - [25] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Exellion Originally by: Dark Shikari There's one major difference. WoW is a fairy game for kids. EVE is a badass space game for adults. One of the most immature statements I¦ve ever heard. No argument, no reason no...nothing Do you really need a reason? Have you not played World of Warcraft? Its a game where when you die you lose NOTHING. There is no penalty for stupidity. if you need a "game" where u have to lose a lot when beeing stupid or making big mistakes....try Real life that might fit. We¦re talking about games......and this "die and lose millions of credits is just another way to keep you on the money grind for sure"
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.07 22:25:00 - [26] Originally by: Exellion Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Exellion Originally by: Dark Shikari There's one major difference. WoW is a fairy game for kids. EVE is a badass space game for adults. One of the most immature statements I¦ve ever heard. No argument, no reason no...nothing Do you really need a reason? Have you not played World of Warcraft? Its a game where when you die you lose NOTHING. There is no penalty for stupidity. if you need a "game" where u have to lose a lot when beeing stupid or making big mistakes....try Real life that might fit. We¦re talking about games......and this "die and lose millions of credits is just another way to keep you on the money grind for sure" No, its stopping the game from becoming like counterstrike. If items are permanent: 1) THERE IS NO ECONOMY. There is NO DEMAND for items other than new players. 2) It is impossible to win a war as it is impossible to win a game of UT2004 with no time or frag limit. If you don't lose anything when you die, there's no reason to earn money in the first place. P.S. If you have to grind to replace a ship you shouldn't have been flying that ship in the first place. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron
Exellion	Posted - 2006.02.07 22:30:00 - [27] Edited by: Exellion on 07/02/2006 22:30:14 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Exellion Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Exellion Originally by: Dark Shikari There's one major difference. WoW is a fairy game for kids. EVE is a badass space game for adults. One of the most immature statements I¦ve ever heard. No argument, no reason no...nothing Do you really need a reason? Have you not played World of Warcraft? Its a game where when you die you lose NOTHING. There is no penalty for stupidity. if you need a "game" where u have to lose a lot when beeing stupid or making big mistakes....try Real life that might fit. We¦re talking about games......and this "die and lose millions of credits is just another way to keep you on the money grind for sure" No, its stopping the game from becoming like counterstrike. If items are permanent: 1) THERE IS NO ECONOMY. There is NO DEMAND for items other than new players. 2) It is impossible to win a war as it is impossible to win a game of UT2004 with no time or frag limit. If you don't lose anything when you die, there's no reason to earn money in the first place. P.S. If you have to grind to replace a ship you shouldn't have been flying that ship in the first place. This is not correct. There is a great demand for better items since there are more and more new Raid-Instance(Dungeons for 40man Playergroups) wich require the Players to gear up to have achance. These Items can only be aquired by succesfully masterig a lower stage Elite Dungeon. The aquiered Items are very useful to be good in either PvE or PvP. The Demand and Run for new and better items is always there. About the "war" thing. There will be soon contested areas wich can be occupied by an faction to get and advantage. These areas will be always in conflict and all Players of each Faction need to team up to hold those stronpoints.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.07 22:41:00 - [28] Originally by: Exellion This is not correct. There is a great demand for better items since there are more and more new Raid-Instance(Dungeons for 40man Playergroups) wich require the Players to gear up to have achance. These Items can only be aquired by succesfully masterig a lower stage Elite Dungeon. The aquiered Items are very useful to be good in either PvE or PvP. The Demand and Run for new and better items is always there. About the "war" thing. There will be soon contested areas wich can be occupied by an faction to get and advantage. These areas will be always in conflict and all Players of each Faction need to team up to hold those stronpoints. And does it make a difference? World of Warcraft is a theme park where the only things you can do are what Blizzard says you can do. You can't create your own ideas, because the game locks them out. In EVE, CCP doesn't even tell you what to do. You can do whatever you goddamn well please. You can quite seriously create your own professions. I haven't grinded in over 3 months, yet I've earned billions of ISK. And only a small portion of that is from my T2 BPOs, which have generally until now (when I bought some new good ones) sucked. If you like WoW so much, why don't you go back and play it? EVE isn't for you. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.02.07 23:51:00 - [29] My 1M ISKs. PvE + EvE = Crap PvP + EvE = Nice PvP + EvE + Courage - Cowardice = Best PvP + EvE + Cowardice = Crap ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! RAWRRRRRRR!!1 - Imaran Wrangler, stealing Eris pink since a few days ago. We always new you had a thing for pink - Vanamonde
Billious	Posted - 2006.02.08 00:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Exellion 3rd You are always guided and in a linear system wich never makes u feel lost. Right there is one of the most damning indictments of WoW there is (and I'm amazed no one else has picked up on it yet) Bleri McThrust -

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