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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.07 19:02:00 -
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nos are fine.
make nos effect smaller ships less and u force yet more people into hacs.
and they will indeed be the new i win buttons.
dont change nos, maybe increase it to 150 for best named per 12sec from 120 but make it take some cap to activeate. thus if u nos something with no cap u actually take cap away from yourself
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.07 19:28:00 -
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no.
nos are required. currently nos is a defense vs hacs and smaller ships [ IT IS NOT REALLY OFFENSIVE USED ON THOSE SHIPS]
once u dry a hacs cap via nos u dont gain any cap yourself. so you are useing a mod which is giving no cap to yuorself insted just used to stop the target shooting/tanking.
leave nos and neut alone. atm large nos = 2x med nos. its not bad
AND FYI i dont use nos on any of my ships so it wount effect me. yet it will boost hacs too much so no. neber
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.07 19:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Sky Hunter
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
so? any module that works as anti smaller ship will be widely used so stop whining.
unless you want ship sized warp disruptors and webifiers (yes i think that is fair too, your hac shouldnt be able to warp disrupt a battleship) i suggest you to stop whining becouse if i got no defense against a smaller target a smaller target sure as hell should not have a chance against me either.
Did i say i whine?
Please refrain from any particular engagement descriptions.
1. There are BS sized webbers and scrambler/disruptors. Check officer modules. They arent costing too much, and they give good effect while, you can fit em only on the BS.
2. To someone who said nosf it back. How you suggest outnossin a 2 heavys nosfs with lets say 1 medium one?
HACs slots arent BS slots. Its very tight to fit together and get one good setup that youll be able to use good(all comes at preferences - everyone fits like he feels more comfortable).
3. As for scrambling smaller targets. Well this will eliminate tacklers and everyone will happinly fly BS.
never herd of a cap injecter?
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.07 20:04:00 -
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yep
FFS CCP change heavy nos to 6km or change it so it doesnt efect my hac/frig since i dont like fighting over the nos range. i dont like fitting nos to counter. i dont like useing cap injecters. and i wanna solo pawn thus my hac needs to be nos proof. i dont want to take a gang of 3. or use EW.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.07 20:06:00 -
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a mod to harden cap im all for though. a mid slot 50% less effect of nos and neut.
wonder how mnay people would bother lol. they just want an inbuilt im smaller then u so take less cap.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.08 13:33:00 -
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making nos/neut sig based will completly **** over neut.
so to neut 5 cap from a frig u zap 500 of ur own cap.
make it sig based and u might awwell take neut of of the game and save some DB space.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.08 13:54:00 -
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next thing you know people will ask ecm to effect smaller ships less 
my ships smaller so shouldnt be effected by webbers as much
my ships smaller so should be harder to warp scramble
imo taking this route too far will see different levels of webbers and scrambs. where a frig is no longer able to web/scram a BS which then im cool with. u want my nos not to effect your ship then fine i want ur warp desrupter not to effect my engin or ur webber not to effect my speed
a frig mod slowing down a ship that weights 1000x as much as itself is retarded.
a frig being able to warp scramble a ship with 100x the power is retarded.
u wanna get into nos lets do that **** too while we are at it
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.08 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Indigo Callypso
I am not a HAC pilot so can only speak from the perspective of a battleship/cruiser/frig pilot point of view. I have read of a large number of HACs taking battleships in solo fights.
If two HACs attack a battleship, and the battleship nosses one, cannot the two HACs have a reasonable chance at victory? By reasonable, I mean, is the outcome a foregone conclusion or is it in doubt?
If it is in doubt, then I would say nos is fine. IMHO, I say again, IMHO, I believe a battleship, in general, should be able to take a HAC on down to frig in 1-v-1. A HAC on down should need to team up against a Battleship to win.
When I pvp, I fly frigs and T1 cruisers/battlecruisers. I expect to be nossed. I adapt so that the ultimate objective can be accomplished. Fleet actions, my target gets scrammed; 1-v-1, I either nos back, fight over the range or use missiles/rockets and don't worry about it (generally talking frig duels here).
So, what remains to be answered, again IMHO, is can a HAC duo, one of whom is nossed, take a Battleship. I think most battleship pilots would be very nervous facing a HAC duo even in a nos-capable battleship.
a BS doesnt even need 1 nos to take out dual hacs
7 guns + web = dead hac. if they dont get within web range fly to the gate/station and leave.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.08 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: LORD STEALTH
Good. theyre battleships. they should win a few fights here and there.
OMG HAX HAX WTF JUST BECAAUSE UR IN A BIGGER SHIP DOESNT MEAN U SHOULD WIN
that isnt the case meh dear. MULTIPLE small ships vs 1 big ship should win. 1 ew frig and nos isnt a problem. but as u guys want to solo **** in hacs then yes i can see why u ask for a nerf.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.08 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Agnar Koladrov
Originally by: Gronsak
next thing you know people will ask ecm to effect smaller ships less
Now that would generate challenging gameplay
Hehe... not really. I forsee.
Small WCS +1
Med WCS +2
Large WCS +3
Small warp scramb -1
Med warp scramb -2
Large warp scramb -3
Frigates can only fit small items and so on. I can forsee many whines to come. 
this would not work.
would need to give BS inbuilt +2 warp strength. so it would take 3 frigs. or 1 crusier 1 frig or 1 bs to hold it down. then yes u would require those wcs and those warp desrupters.
but that is getting a bit ****. a frig not ebing able to hold down a BS. in sure in rl it wouldnt happen but WTF. let our small frig size ships web out 1000x bigger bs to 1/10 of the origion speed.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.08 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: smallgreenblur
Originally by: Gronsak
Originally by: LORD STEALTH
Good. theyre battleships. they should win a few fights here and there.
OMG HAX HAX WTF JUST BECAAUSE UR IN A BIGGER SHIP DOESNT MEAN U SHOULD WIN
that isnt the case meh dear. MULTIPLE small ships vs 1 big ship should win. 1 ew frig and nos isnt a problem. but as u guys want to solo **** in hacs then yes i can see why u ask for a nerf.
I think that was sarcasm. If so then yup. Whoever asked if 2 HACs can take a bs my answer is it could go either way, which is about right, given the insurance payout of either ship (i tend to use this as default power indication, as market prices are slightly inflated). Not all fights take place within 10ks of a gate or stn btw.
sgb
u noticed his sarcasm and not mine. let me make it clear.
bold bit was sarcas, rest wasnt
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.08 23:52:00 -
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introduce frig size webber that can only effect frigs. [10% effective vs crusiers]. crusier webbers which are effective vs crusiers and frigs but only 10% effective vs BS
add a +2WCS to BS base. then add another warp desrupter that does -2 and is only able to fit on crusiers [40pg maybe] and then a third that does -3 and only able to fit on Bs. 800PG maybe.
thus it would take a dedicated tackler frig to tackler a BS. or 3 frigs. or 2 crusiers.
THEN and only then would i consider giving a nos frig penalty. but as long as a frigs mid slots are just as effective as a BS mid slots i dont see a prob.
personally the web/scram/nos situation is fine atm. but change nos u need web and scram changed.
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