Come on, brosef, you need to sort out a plan before posting that title without a (?) at the end. People are inherently lazy, so the more you do, the more likely people will participate (confirming I'm talking out of my ass, and have no clue if anyone will participate). Also, RCOAT will prolly come along for the fun, assuming we can nail down some rules, logistics, and stuff.

If you want to actually do this, and we can get some people involved, I'm down to help out, bud.

To get people like you are why I made this thread.

Rules? Alliance Tournament rules except +1 capital of your choice.
The only 2 problems are getting people to join AND the act of traveling to Bob's Altar (lets codename the system like that).

So CCP, pretty please, jump clones in wSpace. :|

Why not just find a system with a good static and enough moons that all wh entities can plop a tower down to online as needed for tourney stuff. Any small group of people would be able to hold tournaments there as they see fit and create rules as they like. As long as everyone can agree to leave other towers alone there, there's no issue. Keep them offline unless your corp is using the system. Lets make a permanent WHAT system.

Wormhole Alliance Tournament (WHAT)

Basics: Recommend a Class 3 w/ Static High [D845]

Participants: Limited to Wormhole entities, and entities that are willing to bring one Small Tower, Orca, and ship comps for Tournament style PVP ONLY.

Rules:

1) All entities participating in WHAT agree to a standing Non-Invasion Pact (NIP) limited to the selected tournament system. Also, no fighting, or aggressing is permitted between participants outside of the Tournament Arenas. (If, at any point, this rule is violated, violators will be ejected from the Tournament and removed from system).

2) Each Tournament team will agree to the rules sanctioned by the WHAT organizers prior to entry into the tournament. The rules will be adhered to by all parties involved in the Tournament.

3) Specific Tournament Match rules will be released prior to the entry period, to include Tournament types, Ship types, Numbers allowed per match, Fitting restrictions, etc.

More Overall Tournament Rules will follow, however this is to give a brief idea of the fundamental plan for the WHAT. Prizes, Match Rules, and further Overall Rules to followGǪ

Accepting Sponsors, Committee members, and Stream Hosts/Speakers

So, leaders of renown WH crews, please inform me via evemail if you decide to participate.
I would like to have at least 5 (including Skylian Verge) groups to kick this off.

Once there are 5 or more of us, rules will be discussed and and the quest to find Bob's Altar will begin!

Go C2 with HS static and a lot of moons

Once a few are established just keep the connection info public

Highsec hole and initial anchoring of POS off limits for pvp (ofc don't expect people to abide by this, if your orca lands in a bubble and dies to bad for you)

Organized pvp at the sun/safespot, everywhere else is a free for all

And as always, treat everything you bring into the hole as already lost, because someone will crash the party when it becomes worth while

I would suggest a C3 with a lowsec static. They are easily accessible, mostly empty and unwanted, and allow easy entry even for those with low sec status.

If you need help organizing talk to me I'm sure I can help out

Make it a Black Hole system for leet pvp.

Add Disavowed to your list of participants please.

You guys have been added sometime last night. :)
Join channel 'Altar of Bob' for a complete list in the MOTD.

Count us in mate. I will join the public channel tonight :)

My bad, our internal communication needs work That's why it takes us 30 minutes to form up as well.

I hereby declare the opening of the 'Caius Beriat hearing aid fund'. This new charity will help elderly corp mates to purchase and fit devices that will allow the to better understand things said on teamspeak. At times, this may seem like and impossible task, but we believe with hard work and dedication, we can bring him the standard of life that we all take for granted.

Please send your donations to me and together we can work to give northerners a better life.

I'm sure we can bring something. Could you provide all rules in op? Same pointsystem as last at? And then capital in addition? Imo capital is a bad idea couse everyone will bring blapping dread, loki's and logi. How do you plan to enforce the outer border rule? And you need to get eve-tv along aswell

I'm sure we can bring something. Could you provide all rules in op? Same pointsystem as last at? And then capital in addition? Imo capital is a bad idea couse everyone will bring blapping dread, loki's and logi. How do you plan to enforce the outer border rule? And you need to get eve-tv along aswell

Imo Falcons should be shot at the wormhole entrance directly, no further questions asked. No fun will come out of people drinking coffee instead of locking things <.<

I would suggest differentiating the rules from AT by allowing warping on grid and cloaking. This would make WHAT less suitable for audiences, but I would really want to see a tournament where tackling and cloaked warp targets matter.

I suppose you could set up cans as a perimeter and have a arena of sorts. Man some of the outer cans at key points and make sure nobody exceeds these limits.

Imo there should be no capitals involved at all.

We could have all sorts of fleet doctrines facing off against each other and find out if anybody can come up with a counter to the fabled t3,logi fleet

Small as we are, Jester's Hole will show up to this thing.

Yeah, W-Space and rules, two great tastes that will surely suck together. No thanks.

Yeah, W-Space and rules, two great tastes that will surely suck together. No thanks.

Sign Upholders up, we're in for some cheeky shennanigans.

If I find a system suitable for hosting the tournament I'll let you know. Sounds like fun!

I'd suggest O477 hole. C1 cant carry battleships and is **** to roll.

Sign SUSU up

We wont take part to keep this fair and fun for everyone else, also id like to donate an Etana to be the prize for this comp for the small fee of 90b

You can count us in if were not already on the list, my DO was supposed to take care of this. will have to smack him when I get home

It's really cool that you guys are doing this, I like the reserve idea. My main concern is that the rules might be imbalanced

There seems to be no concern for sentry ships, they are now stronger than they were during ATXI, and they were overused in ATXI because of how powerful sentrys have become. Ishtars now get the same bonuses as the Dominix, and without any options in regards to banning, sentry comps should be very popular, SCL tried to adapt to it by simply making sentry ships take more points, but you can also ban them in SCL, and currently they're banned in every match even though they take more points

My other concern is double logistics, and no limitation on implants, and faction mods, faction mods is cool, and you can't police implants, so might as well not have any rules on it, but those combined with double logistics might make some matches super boring

If you were to fight 15 guys with 15 guys on TQ, and both sides had double logistics, it's less likely that those 2 logis will keep everything alive when compared to a 15 v 15 in a tournament setting

The reason it's different in a tournament format is that negating damage in any way possible is considered, from what you fit on your ship, what type of ewar you have, to how your FC utilize it, if teams in ATXI were sometimes able to win matches without losing a single ship, with just 1 logistic, no pirate implants and no faction modules, imagine what 2 logi + all those could do?

Sorry for that little rant, just wanted to voice my opinion to hopefully better your cool idea

Two logis will help level out sentries. And losing 1 logi won't automatically mean losing the fight.

Everyone derides the nature of armor t3 pvp in wormholes, so why not setup the rules to make this not possible? Most fleets, even not armor t3, don't leave home without logi. For the first incarnation, why not go ahead and ban all T2/Tournament/cruiser logi ships entirely. If people want to bring logi, leave it for the T1 frigates. Yes, they can be good, but they can be very easily countered.

You could even consider banning all forms of remote assistance modules. Logi in small gangs (last I heard you were talking 3v3 here?) is game-breaking. In 3v3, you are already bordering on not being able to break some local tanks, let alone remotely supported tanks.

EDIT: I see a change to 15v15. Boring. We don't need bigger fights, we need smaller fights. Drop to 6v6? 5v5? 15v15 counts too many entities out, due to lower numbers regularly, not counting the ability for the smaller entities to commit 15 bodies to somewhere other than home for the duration of the fights.

WHAT is this.

Love tournaments, love the idea, love your enthusiasm, but think there are maybe some things that you might not have considered.

Just some general feedback, if you would like some more detail give me a poke would love to have a chat. Need to check with the rest of my corp but I will try and put a team together for this.

- I don't think I have ever read a Garmon post with so little troll, so take heed of what he said! I read the rules first and immediately I thought that two logi would be horrible. 15 vs 15 is not a good solution.

- Banning sentry drones might be an interesting idea. I really am for keeping everything that is allowed on TQ in the arena, but this might be a good space to test out the banning of sentries given that w-space teams corps are not usually the best at kiting and prefer in-your-face brawling PVP.

- The logistics of a tournament in a wormhole of 15 vs 15 sounds really rough. Footwork had to join up with Red Circle inc (so two 100 man corps) to ensure we had enough players for SCL 4 and 5 and that was on SISI which has instant access and no logistical problems (apart form CCP re-setting the server and wiping all your fitted ships). To bring into the WH the amount of ships and people we used for SCL5 (i.e. the most up-to-date meta) would probably consist of around 3 freighter runs. This would not fit in a small POS. 15 vs15 means possibly even more battleships. Depending on the format of your tournament there could be at least a dozen games for the victor? This would mean that winning this competition would almost definitely mean being the most logistically awesome team, not necessarily the best at fighting. So if hauling turns you on - great! If explosions, maybe not so. My suggestion would be for the first tournament to make it 5 vs 5, 50 points and 5 min time-limit. This would allow the format to be tested with-out over burdening the competitors and organisers. Other corpmates can come along to provide 'security'. Another thing to consider is the amount of ISK at stake in such large teams.

- The idea of reserve pilots is an interesting one - especially if the pilot can decide on what ship to bring while the battle is already under-way (within the points/rules limits, scorpion with race specific hardeners/jammers anyone? :p)

- What about the idea of something completely different to normal tournament formats - a 'thunderdome' tournament. So you get all of the corps interested to anchor their small POS and get their ships in (WH enterance location is announced say 4 hours before the start). No stront allowed in the towers. X pilots a side. Free for all, last tower standing wins! Spectators police the WH nothing in/out after the start of the match. No podding allowed (so people can re-ship till they run out of ships). 8 Hour time limit, corp with the most tower kill-mails wins. If there are already residents then that creates some additional fun that you have to deal with.

- Alternative idea - make it like the SCL, have it on SISI (but probably without CCP support), but only w-space corp teams allowed? Make T3's cheap in points to give it a w-space flavour?

Good luck!

p.s. I would like to apply to be a commentator if you are having a stream :p

What is the first prize?

Make it a Black Hole system for leet pvp.

What do you guys think about limiting same ships to 2 (instead of 3)?
As in 2 rifters, 2 jaguars and 2 wolves? Instead of 3.

It would mix stuff up a lot IMO.

May do the other thing as well that's been heavily discussed aswell...

Limit sentries

The hole is courtesy of Yan Jung Clique who donated the liberated system to Sky Fighters.

May do the other thing as well that's been heavily discussed aswell...

Limit sentries

Someones trying to sell the tournament hole :<

A hole has been found!
Post your opinions!

Someones trying to sell the tournament hole :<

Kill left alts in there so they can find their own route in..

as if you think we wont just pull up one of your guys' siggy map.... ha

Eh, any time you want to lose another 9 guardians drop on in

<3 you guys

Sith

right, we made a miscalculation and lost a few guards but let's not fool ourselves into thinking hard knocks on it's own couldn't drop a hundred man fleet if it wanted. gg but if we wanted to disrupt your little tournament there is very little you could do to stop us...

right, we made a miscalculation and lost a few guards but let's not fool ourselves into thinking hard knocks on it's own couldn't drop a hundred man fleet if it wanted. gg but if we wanted to disrupt your little tournament there is very little you could do to stop us MUHAHAHAHAHA

All you're missing from the evil genius post is a maniacal laugh

Wormhole tournament is 100% going to be disrupted and a huge fight between Blob Fleet A vs. Wormhole Alliance of Alliances is going to break out.

And it's going to be ******* epic.

Going to talk to the guys in my allaince.

And good fight yesterday ;)

Oh look, a half baked and rigged tournament of bling.

Nope, not interested in crashing this party at all.

May the best team win.

So lets spice this up a bit from the regular AT. Just have two teams fighting it out with no logi? That would be so much more exciting.

As I've told before, either way this tourney turns out, we get PVP.
Be it organized and structured or random and chaotic.
However, I'm surprised by your complete lack of balls to come and engage with people on even grounds.

Clearly, you know very little about Hard Knocks. We have huge balls.

So short in HRDKX, but yet you have "huge *forum balls".. I hope you are an alt, and then if your main is in HRDKX, be sure to post with it next time and shame yourself lol..

So short in HRDKX, but yet you have "huge *forum balls".. I hope you are an alt, and then if your main is in HRDKX, be sure to post with it next time and shame yourself lol..

you do realize he's been in HK longer than you've been in Direwolf right? I mean if we are going to start arguing semantics you might as well make some points in your own favor.

That being said, we do not feel the need to validate ourselves; no need for your even grounds. Also, we are terrible at PvP unless we outnumber someone 2 to 1 and don't want to get rolfstomped by Disavowed. again

Fixed that for you

I don't give a **** about your stupid ass discussion, I'm trying to create content for everyone because I wanted something cool and sexy only us wormholers could do.

You're stopping this from happening.

Amma get a forum moderator to clean every ******** post away.

I don't give a **** about your stupid ass discussion, I'm trying to create content for everyone because I wanted something cool and sexy only us wormholers could do.

You're stopping this from happening.

Amma get a forum moderator to clean every ******** post away.

Being January, a confirmed date would be appropriate.

We're going to have to pull out now.

There's been little to no updates and we've committed to other things within that timeframe now.