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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:27:00 -
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Eh, if you're going for reductionism, why not just boil it down to two things:
GÇó Play. GÇó Not play.
It's about as useful a breakdown. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:36:00 -
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Grendel Sickswitch wrote:Tippia wrote:Eh, if you're going for reductionism, why not just boil it down to two things:
GÇó Play. GÇó Not play.
It's about as useful a breakdown. because playing eve is not about not playing eve. Of course it is. There are tons of stuff to do in EVE that entail not playing the game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:42:00 -
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Grendel Sickswitch wrote:if you're making a beef stroganoff while you mine or mission you are not playing EVE my dear. Actually, you are, but that's besides the point.
The point is that if you're going to skip a huge swath of activities in EVE and/or clump others together in incoherent and arbitrary clusters, you might as well do it properly and just boil it down to playing and not playing. That way, you can make any ridiculous claim and have it seem rather reasonable and compelling compared to the original assertion. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:51:00 -
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Grendel Sickswitch wrote:calm down Huh?
I'm giving you pointers on how to structure your red herrings for best effect and you want me to calm down? That doesn't even make senseGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.11.01 01:00:00 -
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Grendel Sickswitch wrote:you're getting excited. and you're confused. No and no, in roughly that order. I'm just pointing out that if you're going to go for reductionism, reduce it all the way.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.11.01 01:08:00 -
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Grendel Sickswitch wrote:but your reduction is nonsense. Not really. It's actually more encompassing than yours.
So you can either start adding in the pieces you missed, which would defeat the point, or just keep reducing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.11.01 02:11:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Tippia comes across as someone who has been educated and has a large vocabulary, but I think there is something not right which I can't put my finger on. Like there is an agenda of some sort which we aren't privy too. Something like Tippia's range of opinions are each their own agenda. I'm not sure if I'm phrasing this right. Oh, my agenda is hilariously simple.
1. Keep EVE challenging without resorting to fake difficulty. 2. Present a proper argument.
I'll grant you that the combination can be pretty nasty sometimes because even when people have what might be good ideas at the core, those ideas may be presented in such an appalling way that I just can't force myself to support it. Doing the right thing for the wrong reason is still doing it wrong.
Quote:Anways, I think Tippia ignores me now because she knows better. You'd think so, wouldn't you?
Oh, and as for reading people's posts in a particular voice, can I pick Achie Cunningham, please? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.11.01 02:26:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:So I dispute your suggestion that the solution to the OP's absurd reductionism is to add in the pieces missed or to reduce further. At what point do you stop adding in details? WeeellGǪ my suggestion is really that he add the pieces missed and reduce further (since adding the missing pieces and reducing less wouldn't serve his purpose of calling EVE simplistic).
As it is right now, he's mixing and matching and presenting a wholly incomplete and incorrect picture either way . GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:18:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Now, that being said, instead of showing you the flaw in your statement, I will give you my actual feelings on the subject. In order for me to properly explain, let's divide EvE into 4 things...The Game, The Tools, The Meta, and The Concept. By the way, look up Hunicke, LeBlanc, Zubeck (2004) - MDA, A Formal Approach to Game Design and Game Research.
The whole GÇ£mechanics, dynamics, +ªstheticsGÇ¥ perspective is very close to what you're describing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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