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TigerXtrm
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Posted - 2013.11.01 12:47:00 -
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Oh for the love of god, when will you people stop complaining?
CCP has set a strict deadline. 10 days and then all incentives and rewards in return for the use of affiliate links are to be gone. That's it. Until then anyone is free to do whatever they like. Taking advantage of the time you have left is not rocket science, any reasonably smart person would do this. See the Amazon mess up, people took massive advantage of that because they knew it could end at any minute.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:05:00 -
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Ace Boogi wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Oh for the love of god, when will you people stop complaining?
CCP has set a strict deadline. 10 days and then all incentives and rewards in return for the use of affiliate links are to be gone. That's it. Until then anyone is free to do whatever they like. Taking advantage of the time you have left is not rocket science, any reasonably smart person would do this. See the Amazon mess up, people took massive advantage of that because they knew it could end at any minute. Somer has 300T isk to burn through. 1 trillion is a thousand billions. So, giving out 1b per $1.75 of GTC, profits would be 300,000 x 1.75 = $525,000. thats over half a million USD if Somer can RMT all his isk at that absurdly tempting conversion rate. a lot of people are taking advantage of these ridiculous isk firesale so they stand to make a ridiculous amount of profit. the first $135k (conservative estimate) clearly wasn't enough. and at the same time, Andrev Nox is playing the starving server admin card and blaming the playerbase for their woes.
Yeah because god forbid someone has a good idea and makes more money than the average Joe  . Whether or not they need the money for server upkeep, I think SOMER had a good thing going and in a troubled economy like today that's something I like to encourage.
Let me spell it out for you; some random dude or dudette found a loophole in the game's rules and stands to make over half a million dollars from it. That's genius. That's real money. You people are acting like this is somehow hurting your real life. Are you being fired from your job because of SOMER? Are you forced to embrace SOMER and buy weekly PLEXes to keep your car running? Or did SOMER sell you a ridiculously high mortgage which you are bending over backwards to pay? Is SOMER spying on all your internet activity and phone calls and selling the information to make the money they are earning? Did SOMER break into your house and steal your first borne child?
Nope, SOMER hasn't done any of that. What this is and has been from the start is one big collective "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" because people can't STAND the idea of someone out-smarting them financially. First it was jealousy because they make tons of ISK. Then it was jealousy because they make tons of real money.
Show me one person who's real life was negatively affected by SOMER because they made some money? Are you going to protest the local grocery store because they are making money?
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:18:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Yeah because god forbid someone has a good idea and makes more money than the average Joe . Whether or not they need the money for server upkeep, I think SOMER had a good thing going and in a troubled economy like today that's something I like to encourage. Let me spell it out for you; some random dude or dudette found a loophole in the game's rules and stands to make over half a million dollars from it. That's genius. That's real money. You people are acting like this is somehow hurting your real life. Are you being fired from your job because of SOMER? Are you forced to embrace SOMER and buy weekly PLEXes to keep your car running? Or did SOMER sell you a ridiculously high mortgage which you are bending over backwards to pay? Is SOMER spying on all your internet activity and phone calls and selling the information to make the money they are earning? Did SOMER break into your house and steal your first borne child? Nope, SOMER hasn't done any of that. What this is and has been from the start is one big collective "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" because people can't STAND the idea of someone out-smarting them financially. First it was jealousy because they make tons of ISK. Then it was jealousy because they make tons of real money. Show me one person who's real life was negatively affected by SOMER because they made some money? Are you going to protest the local grocery store because they are making money? So what you are basically saying is that you are fine with a group making real money by exploiting the rules of the game and performing RMT? Good for you. However luckily for those of us that actually like EVE, RMT is against the rules. Finding a loophole then exploiting it is not a good thing. Furthering that by accelerating the use of that loophole when told to stop is even worse. I really don't give a **** if you think they are smart for making money, it's against the rules and they should be punished. They are a business running a game account to exploit the real players for cash. And nobody here except you is saying anything about real life problems, we are stating that it's bad for THE GAME. You know? EVE Online? It's an MMORPG that many of us actually like and would like to see continue fairly? Moron... Go back to the Somer chatroom and whine there.
Ah yes, but it wasn't actually against any rules until CCP changed those same rules. If you want to believe the skewed rationalizations posted around the forums then feel free to do so. But the fact is that is that up until a few days ago, what SOMER was doing was perfectly legal within the EULA and the reseller agreement. And you can't punish someone for doing something that is legal. Simple as that.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:23:00 -
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Ace Boogi wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:
Ah yes, but it wasn't actually against any rules until CCP changed those same rules. If you want to believe the skewed rationalizations posted around the forums then feel free to do so. But the fact is that is that up until a few days ago, what SOMER was doing was perfectly legal within the EULA and the reseller agreement. And you can't punish someone for doing something that is legal. Simple as that.
you're the kind of dude who would have testified at Nuremberg that what he did was ok because he was just following orders. Godwin's law blah blah
That's an idiotic comparison...
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:35:00 -
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Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Yeah because god forbid someone has a good idea and makes more money than the average Joe . Whether or not they need the money for server upkeep, I think SOMER had a good thing going and in a troubled economy like today that's something I like to encourage. You really are a shill, aren't you? What's the next line you guys are going to spew? Here's a good one! "Andrew and/or Somerset can't get on the Obamacare website so they need this extra income to pay for those awful out-of-pocket healthcare expenses." There you go -- run with it!
Way to miss the point I was making, my man 
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:46:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Way to miss the point I was making, my man You are doing Black Thorne proud, supporting a "Redacted" business that needs to be removed from EvE. You might want to check on their forum posting policy
I'm not posting on behalf of my corp, you tool. I think that's pretty obvious.
And you do realize that your 'Redacted' business is done by CCP themselves and has been an official part of the game for almost 5 years now?
Anyone who is opposing any form of 'redacted' should be raging at CCP just the same as SOMER. Yet somehow that's not happening.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:01:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:
Now we have Somer doing the same, just in a more round about manner.
Hm, you'd think CCP would keep a close eye on stuff like this. Maybe check their website, play a few Blinks? Certainly before writing a spotlight about them and giving them tons of goodies to give away. So yeah I think it's pretty safe to assume CCP had a very clear understanding of the setup Somer uses. I refuse to believe that not a single CCP employee ever visited their website and not noticed the credit for GTC thing.
By extension that also means CCP didn't mind and thus approved their setup. And THAT by extension means that Somer's entire thing was legal or at the very least not illegal. It's really not rocket science.
You can then rage at CCP for showing favoritism and stuff, but don't blame Somer for something CCP did or didn't. They got the OK from CCP and carried on like normal. If you want to rage at someone, rage at CCP.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:55:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:YesYes NoNoNo wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:For all we know CCP is working side by side with SOMER on this 1 billion credits per plex. When was the last time you heard of an ISK seller being given 10 days to stop? Coupled with the complete silence on CCP's side - it's pretty obvious. Somer's said before that he talks to CCP before doing this sort of thing / checked with them before doing the 1b thing. Yet they won't talk to us.... Somer has actually tweeted that he/she has been talking to CCP on skype.
Outrage! Favoritism! This should not be possible! It's all one big conspiracy I tell you!
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:06:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:https://twitter.com/somersetmahm/status/396090063248818176
If it is true, this makes me sick. Genuinely sick.
Seriously? Because they Skyped with someone from CCP? Surely you're joking?
Are you going to wildly vomit when I tell you that the organisers of EVE Vegas probably also had direct contact with some of the devs? Or... OH NO! The Mittani! For his role on the CSM and because he was asked as a speaker on EVE Vegas...
Christ the feeling of entitlement is so big around this place it's blocking out the sun at this point. If you do special things in EVE (good or bad in your own opinion) you get special treatment. Bloggers get FREE (yes free, as in no money involved, SHOCKING!) media accounts. Are you going to vomit over that as well because not everyone has that privilege?
All in all it's very similar to this thing you might know, called life. Life is not fair and neither is EVE, both in and outside of the game. Don't like it? Do something about it.
P.S. Whining on a forum does not constitute 'doing something'.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:51:00 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:in fact they dont even seem interested in forums.
Gee, I wonder why?
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TigerXtrm
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:29:00 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Baali Tekitsu wrote:in fact they dont even seem interested in forums. Gee, I wonder why? Because all that matters is the $$$ not the community.
Maybe they would take the forums a little more serious if people weren't acting so entitled and butt hurt about absolutely everything. Raising issues is one thing. Acting like a spoiled know-it-all brat about it is just insulting.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:36:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Maybe they would take the forums a little more serious if people weren't acting so entitled and butt hurt about absolutely everything. Raising issues is one thing. Acting like a spoiled know-it-all brat about it is just insulting. I know you are but what am I?
Y... yes? 
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:43:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Somer is breaking the rules, while they were thought of as a community site that is one thing, they have now shown they are a business and must GO!!!
Yeah? Guess what? CCP made the rules. CCP gets to decide to whom they apply. Not you, not the CSM and certainly not the army of forum trolls who somehow think they got a seat on the CCP board of directors.
CCP could be pulling a T20 scandal times 1000 and you'd still just have to sit here and take it because at the end of the day it's their game and they decide how to manage it. Don't like it? Biomass.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.01 23:31:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:
Yeah? Guess what? CCP made the rules. CCP gets to decide to whom they apply. Not you, not the CSM and certainly not the army of forum trolls who somehow think they got a seat on the CCP board of directors.
So? Guess what? The players fund CCP. The players decide to whom they give their money. Not you, not the CSM and certainly not the CCP board of directors. TigerXtrm wrote:
CCP could be pulling a T20 scandal times 1000 and you'd still just have to sit here and take it because at the end of the day it's their game and they decide how to manage it. Don't like it? Biomass.
That's where you qualify to join my corp - I don't have to sit there and take it, because in the end of the day, it's their game and if I don't like it, they can keep it. If they don't like it, they can get back to sell rotten shark (and tbh I'd be more tempted to invest in rotten shark rather than CCP given their recent conduct).
Pretty sure.... Yup, pretty sure that EVE Online would still happily exist if everyone who ever whined about this entire SOMER thing quit all their accounts right now. So please go ahead and quit, with this amount of whining I'm sure the community will be better for it.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.02 01:18:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Pretty sure.... Yup, pretty sure that EVE Online would still happily exist if everyone who ever whined about this entire SOMER thing quit all their accounts right now. So please go ahead and quit, with this amount of whining I'm sure the community will be better for it. Actually EvE would exist better without the likes of you, You want "redacted" fine. You want a game where the EULA means nothing, fine. You want a game that will die as other players don't want that fine. Go and find that game, not one that players have spent years of their lives in, and "redacted" and rampant EULA violations mean that all that time was for nothing at all.
*sigh*
I don't want any of that, but I'm a realist. There's no point in wishing for something when realistically it's never going to happen.
Once again, RMT is already legally incorporated into the game by CCP in the form of PLEX. It doesn't matter one bit where the money for said currency goes. A player gets a financial boost in-game and whether that currency comes from China, Somer or CCP makes no difference what-so-ever. The only difference is where the real money ends up. CCP accepted that RMT is part of their game but apparently the players didn't. And yes the RMT works both ways since it's just as easy to cash out your EVE assets as it is to cash in. The latter not being legal, obviously. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen on a large scale.
The EULA, strictly speaking, is a set of ruled set up for the end user. Since CCP is the entity who created those rules they are also the entity who are able to change them whenever they want. You can demand CCP follow their own rules all you want, but if they really want to push something they'll just end up changing the rules to suit their needs.
CCP has the power to create exceptions to the whatever rule they please. They looked at Somer and all the others sites and corps offering incentive for buying GTC and, as a company, decided that was an acceptable situation. Or maybe their interpretation of their own rules is different from the interpretation of the community. And between the two, I think the former knows best how the EULA is meant to be interpreted. Whatever the reason, CCP choose to accept the GTC situation as acceptable. And personally I believe that, since they are the game's creators, they have the right to make those kind of decisions. You may think it's unfair. But CCP is a company, not a government. And the EULA is a one way set of rules, not a democracy. The fact that CCP listened to the public outcry around Somer means they care. So be glad. They could just as easily have ignored the situation and be well within their right to do so.
And no-one wants EVE to die, but there are a lot of individuals playing this game who believe they are entitled to boss CCP around on matters like this. They believe that just because they pay a monthly fee they should be part of this pretend democracy and get an equal vote in everything. That their opinion is just as valid and important as the developers. That simply isn't true. As a gaming community we are blessed to have a developer who is willing to listen to us and consult us on so many different issues. I can honestly not think of any game developer who is as engaged with their customers as CCP. But somewhere along the line people started taking that engagement for granted. People take it for granted so much that when CCP goes "thanks for thinking along, but this is non of your business" people go on a complete rampage and demand to be listened to.
I can appreciate that people have a serious connection to a game some spent over 10 years of their life playing. But let's not lose focus and keep in mind that EVE Online is still a game. It's a piece of software, not real life. CCP is not a democratically elected government, they are a company with a bottom line to manage. You don't get to vote on a different company to take over EVE development next year (thank god). But if anyone insists on comparing CCP to our government body, I suggest comparing them with a dictatorship that is open to suggestions but reserves the right to throw them straight into the paper shredder.
That's my realistic view on things. Doesn't mean I agree with all of it. But if you want even the smallest remote possibility of any of this changing then try approaching the game developer, your 'dictator', with a little bit of respect. Paying $17,50 a month doesn't entitle anyone on the planet to treat a person the way some people around this place treat/talk to CCP developers. It's sickening, really.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.02 21:38:00 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:Careby wrote:
If Somer can actually sell 300,000 GTC's in a week (which they would have to do to make that estimated $800,000), just imagine the millions CCP will rake in.
Wrong attribution. Somer doesn't sell 300K GTCs in a week ... the right term to use is captured. Put it this way, the demand for GTC is one whole pie ... they stole a significant portion of the pie. If Somer didn't exists, that portion would otherwise gone to other vendors/CCPdirectly. Made wonder me if some fools at CCP thought the same way too, thinking Somer sold them a lot GTCs. 
That makes no sense... at all. Please elaborate on the point you're trying to make?
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.03 00:48:00 -
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Iudicium Vastus wrote:Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Peopel will always buy GTCs, there is a certain total demand for GTC.
By giving people an incentive to buy through SOMER they take away from other sites like dotlan who have an affiliate link but no incentive.
I would say that for the cost of a 30day GTC vs paying sub as normal there should be something for that extra $5/mo. Using GTCs for 3 months I could have paid sub for 4 months. So I may be part of a small group that blatantly express that for my extra $5/mo I expect some sort of bonus or incentive. And even for those times I want to pay for longer periods of subs at once, paying it directly is still cheaper than any bulk pack of GTCs could offer.
For those of us forced to pay the direct game time in local currency (Euro or Pound), it's often cheaper to buy a GTC with dollars. Buying directly on the EVE website only becomes cheaper with 6 month plans or more and not everyone is willing to buy that much gametime in one go all the time.
If I buy on a month to month basis directly from CCP I pay Gé¼15,- ($20,-) for one month. If I buy a 60 day GTC I pay $35,- (Gé¼25,-). So that comes down to Gé¼12,50 a month instead of Gé¼15,-. Even CCP's 3 month plan is slightly more expensive than that at Gé¼12,95 a month.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2013.11.03 20:47:00 -
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Quote:Blink is getting bigger and bigger and the ISK ticker moves faster and faster! We just finished a celebration, and it would be time for 1.3Q. To spread out the celebrations a little more, we are moving to every 100T. So the next celebration will be at 1.4Q. This will let us make them more special.
Interesting timing to say the least.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:12:00 -
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Interesting how they are still tracking purchases for 'future promotions'.
Kind of like saying "Keep buying your stuff through us and maybe we'll find a way to give you stuff in the future."
Gotta give Somer points for creativity when it comes to walking the fine line of the rules. |
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