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Spartan III	Posted - 2006.02.08 05:02:00 - [1] I made this in quickfit as a "SOLO PvP" setup, and was wondering if its junk or better than the standard solo setups. Its pretty much standard, but a bit different as well. I also am not sure of the prices on some of these modules like the N-type hardener so please tell me if they are really exspensive. 4x Heavy Pulse Laser II 1x Medium Nosferatu II 1x 10mn Afterburner II 1x J5 Prototype War Inhibitor 1x Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor 1x Medium Armor Repairer II 2x Heat Sink II 1x N-Type Thermic Hardener 1x 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates 1x Reactor Control Unit 1x Capacitor Power Relay The DPS is only about 300 but this setup is more of a survival setup thus the 800mm Plate which allows me a total of 4400 armor now. ******************** Join Public Channel "Christian Public Access" for great fellowship and fun OMFWTFYarrBQPwn3d!!!11eleventy-one ~kieron
Spartan III	Posted - 2006.02.08 05:18:00 - [2] If you know a setup BETTER than this please post it, but only if you know that it is better and that you use it yourself for PvP. ******************** Join Public Channel "Christian Public Access" for great fellowship and fun OMFWTFYarrBQPwn3d!!!11eleventy-one ~kieron
Idara	Posted - 2006.02.08 05:28:00 - [3] I'd almost say drop the RCU and drop from HP II's to Focused Med. Pulses so you free up a low slot for something better, like an Energized Adaptive Nano II if you're looking for survivability. Hell, last I checked on my Zealot you can fit 4x FMP II's, Med Nos, AB II, MAR II and a 1600mm Tungsten and still have grid left over. -------------------------------------------------------- Lieutenant BSC Military
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2006.02.08 05:48:00 - [4] Yeah do something about that RCU you got there. You know you don't have to go heavy pulse lasers to get good DPS. As well maybe dropping the hardener for something compact like a nano II. You got skills now that boost it up considerably. Think a good rule of thumb when trying to fit stuff is "If you can fit it all in 1 mod, then do it".
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.02.08 06:18:00 - [5] I highly doubt you got a 800mm Rolled tungsten, and i'd use a Energized thermic membrane II.
Liet Traep	Posted - 2006.02.08 15:42:00 - [6] You pvp in a zealot? Sell that thing and use the isk to buy an apoc, insure it and outfit with isk left over.
Exelsior	Posted - 2006.02.08 16:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Liet Traep You pvp in a zealot? Sell that thing and use the isk to buy an apoc, insure it and outfit with isk left over. No. Just no. If you say that you haven't flown either an apoc or a zealot, and don't realise the advantages and disadvantages of one over the other. Namely, A zealot is for killing small stuff such as AF, Cruisers, BC and Interceptors while not dying. If you're with a partner, two zealots for example eat through an apoc in under 2 minutes without the danger of dying as if you have a 1600mm plater fitted, you can even withstand a gankapoc without trouble while you eat through it in seconds. The cost associated with this is high. The ship is uninsurable, but hell this is one hell of a fun ship to fly, and much more fun that slow battleships that need help with tracking anything smaller than another battleship. The fact that you are in a risk to lose your ship makes the battles even funner. If you can't afford this ship, don't buy it, but don't tell other people not to do it as you have no idea of their wallet size. ------------------------- Thou shalt be dispatched.
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.02.08 16:41:00 - [8] Edited by: Slaveabuser on 08/02/2006 16:41:27 Originally by: Exelsior Originally by: Liet Traep You pvp in a zealot? Sell that thing and use the isk to buy an apoc, insure it and outfit with isk left over. No. Just no. If you say that you haven't flown either an apoc or a zealot, and don't realise the advantages and disadvantages of one over the other. Namely, A zealot is for killing small stuff such as AF, Cruisers, BC and Interceptors while not dying. If you're with a partner, two zealots for example eat through an apoc in under 2 minutes without the danger of dying as if you have a 1600mm plater fitted, you can even withstand a gankapoc without trouble while you eat through it in seconds. The cost associated with this is high. The ship is uninsurable, but hell this is one hell of a fun ship to fly, and much more fun that slow battleships that need help with tracking anything smaller than another battleship. The fact that you are in a risk to lose your ship makes the battles even funner. If you can't afford this ship, don't buy it, but don't tell other people not to do it as you have no idea of their wallet size. Liet Traep has a point. As allways it all boils down to setups. Nos/ destabilizers = no more hac. Besides even 2 cruisers can take down a battleship. All comes down to setup, see? Shhh!I'm busy thinking about complicated things you wont understand.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.02.08 17:15:00 - [9] When you do the maths the heavy pulse II with an RCU and the focused med pulse II with no RCU do about the same dps. The big difference between the two is in range and cap usage. Heavy pulse have better range and use more cap. Pehaps I lack imagination but you can only really tweak this setup by changing the plate / heatsink / hardner combo. It's a pretty non-versatile ship imo. Although if you have perfect cap skills an mwd is fun.
Romulus Maximus	Posted - 2006.02.08 17:29:00 - [10] Stick with heavy pulse. Drop the rcu. Fit another HS. Drop the Relay, fit an adaptive nano. Swap the 800 for 400 if u want a plate. 300 dps is very low in a zealot. Id look at workign on ur skills. This is a ship which, if u intend on using it a lot. U must invest time and money into it. Current RKK Ranking: (AMM11) Rear Admiral
Spartan III	Posted - 2006.02.08 18:27:00 - [11] Originally by: Romulus Maximus low in a zealot. Id look at workign on ur skills. This is a ship which, if u intend on using it a lot. U must invest time and money into it. I have quickfit setup with near max skills so the damage per second calculator or the way damage mods are stacked must be off. Anyway thanks for the tips on the setup, i think i'll do just what you said. ******************** Join Public Channel "Christian Public Access" for great fellowship and fun OMFWTFYarrBQPwn3d!!!11eleventy-one ~kieron
Asurix	Posted - 2006.02.08 19:08:00 - [12] Originally by: Romulus Maximus Stick with heavy pulse. Drop the rcu. Fit another HS. Drop the Relay, fit an adaptive nano. Swap the 800 for 400 if u want a plate. 300 dps is very low in a zealot. Id look at workign on ur skills. This is a ship which, if u intend on using it a lot. U must invest time and money into it. ''drop the RCU'' is a kinda weird thing to say since he obviously needs it to fit this setup
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.08 19:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Asurix Originally by: Romulus Maximus Stick with heavy pulse. Drop the rcu. Fit another HS. Drop the Relay, fit an adaptive nano. Swap the 800 for 400 if u want a plate. 300 dps is very low in a zealot. Id look at workign on ur skills. This is a ship which, if u intend on using it a lot. U must invest time and money into it. ''drop the RCU'' is a kinda weird thing to say since he obviously needs it to fit this setup I take it you ignored "Swap the 800 for 400 if u want a plate." then?
Asurix	Posted - 2006.02.08 19:17:00 - [14] power diff of 800-400mm plates is 170pg, while the RCU gives you more like 250 pg
Exelsior	Posted - 2006.02.08 22:48:00 - [15] Edited by: Exelsior on 08/02/2006 22:48:57 Originally by: Slaveabuser Edited by: Slaveabuser on 08/02/2006 16:41:27 Originally by: Exelsior Originally by: Liet Traep You pvp in a zealot? Sell that thing and use the isk to buy an apoc, insure it and outfit with isk left over. No. Just no. If you say that you haven't flown either an apoc or a zealot, and don't realise the advantages and disadvantages of one over the other. Namely, A zealot is for killing small stuff such as AF, Cruisers, BC and Interceptors while not dying. If you're with a partner, two zealots for example eat through an apoc in under 2 minutes without the danger of dying as if you have a 1600mm plater fitted, you can even withstand a gankapoc without trouble while you eat through it in seconds. The cost associated with this is high. The ship is uninsurable, but hell this is one hell of a fun ship to fly, and much more fun that slow battleships that need help with tracking anything smaller than another battleship. The fact that you are in a risk to lose your ship makes the battles even funner. If you can't afford this ship, don't buy it, but don't tell other people not to do it as you have no idea of their wallet size. Liet Traep has a point. As allways it all boils down to setups. Nos/ destabilizers = no more hac. Besides even 2 cruisers can take down a battleship. All comes down to setup, see? Show me where i disagreed with it. I just didn't mention BSes and HACs at all. It's obvious that a HAC dies to a couple of noses or a destabiliser. That's why i mentioned two easily taking on a battleship, because they would take it down before the noses or destabliser takes it's effect properly. However i pointed out that a zealot is very good at taking out ships the size of a BC and smaller, what it's specialised in i guess. Aided even more by the focused med pulse's tracking when in use with a 1600mm plate. Basically i invalidated the guys statement because he just said zealot is bad, use apoc and save money, which was of course a deconstructive and invalid argument. It wasn't even an argument, it was a statement. ------------------------- Thou shalt be dispatched.
Grut	Posted - 2006.02.08 23:03:00 - [16] Edited by: Grut on 08/02/2006 23:03:51 Originally by: Asurix power diff of 800-400mm plates is 170pg, while the RCU gives you more like 250 pg 10% rcu gives 250pg? WTB zealot with 2k of grid.... Kinsy > deadman you there? Kinsy > are either of us in pods, becase we dont know... Mostly harmless [ 2005.12.09 19:22:50 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Dreadnought
Tera Patrick	Posted - 2006.02.09 00:04:00 - [17] High 4 * Heavy Pulse IIs 1 * M Nosfer (Diminishing) Med 1 * AB II 1 * 20Km Scrambler 1 * ECM (Painter, Booster, Webber - etc) Low 3 * Heat Sink IIs 1 * CPR 1 * Thermal Hardener 1 * Energ. Adaptive Nano II 1 * M Armour Rep II For fly-swatting, use Focused and a 1600mm plate. Intergalactic Space Vixen
Liet Traep	Posted - 2006.02.09 00:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Exelsior Edited by: Exelsior on 08/02/2006 22:48:57 Originally by: Slaveabuser Edited by: Slaveabuser on 08/02/2006 16:41:27 Originally by: Exelsior Originally by: Liet Traep You pvp in a zealot? Sell that thing and use the isk to buy an apoc, insure it and outfit with isk left over. No. Just no. If you say that you haven't flown either an apoc or a zealot, and don't realise the advantages and disadvantages of one over the other. Namely, A zealot is for killing small stuff such as AF, Cruisers, BC and Interceptors while not dying. If you're with a partner, two zealots for example eat through an apoc in under 2 minutes without the danger of dying as if you have a 1600mm plater fitted, you can even withstand a gankapoc without trouble while you eat through it in seconds. The cost associated with this is high. The ship is uninsurable, but hell this is one hell of a fun ship to fly, and much more fun that slow battleships that need help with tracking anything smaller than another battleship. The fact that you are in a risk to lose your ship makes the battles even funner. If you can't afford this ship, don't buy it, but don't tell other people not to do it as you have no idea of their wallet size. Liet Traep has a point. As allways it all boils down to setups. Nos/ destabilizers = no more hac. Besides even 2 cruisers can take down a battleship. All comes down to setup, see? Show me where i disagreed with it. I just didn't mention BSes and HACs at all. It's obvious that a HAC dies to a couple of noses or a destabiliser. That's why i mentioned two easily taking on a battleship, because they would take it down before the noses or destabliser takes it's effect properly. However i pointed out that a zealot is very good at taking out ships the size of a BC and smaller, what it's specialised in i guess. Aided even more by the focused med pulse's tracking when in use with a 1600mm plate. Basically i invalidated the guys statement because he just said zealot is bad, use apoc and save money, which was of course a deconstructive and invalid argument. It wasn't even an argument, it was a statement. You misunderstand me. I didn't say Zealot was bad. I said it's overpriced. People are trying to sell them for 200 million isk now. I fly HAC's, BC's and Command Ships. While i love the zealot it's not worth the cost in pvp. I can get similar performance from a prophecy for MUCH, MUCH less isk. Until the HAC market is restored to something sensible I recommend avoiding HAC's unless you know the producer directly and can get yourself a good deal.
Spartan III	Posted - 2006.02.09 04:17:00 - [19] So is this what you guys were talking about? 4x Heavy Pulse Laser II 1x Medium Diminishing Nos 1x 10mn AB II 1x Fleeting Webber 1x Warp Disruptor(20km) 1x Medium Armor Repairer 1x 800mm Plate II 1x Energ. Thermic 1x Energ. Adaptive 3x Heat Sink II 4400 armor, 70+ resists, lots of DPS, and goes 549m/sec ******************** Join Public Channel "Christian Public Access" for great fellowship and fun OMFWTFYarrBQPwn3d!!!11eleventy-one ~kieron
Liet Traep	Posted - 2006.02.09 11:00:00 - [20] Originally by: Spartan III So is this what you guys were talking about? 4x Heavy Pulse Laser II 1x Medium Diminishing Nos 1x 10mn AB II 1x Fleeting Webber 1x Warp Disruptor(20km) 1x Medium Armor Repairer 1x 800mm Plate II 1x Energ. Thermic 1x Energ. Adaptive 3x Heat Sink II 4400 armor, 70+ resists, lots of DPS, and goes 549m/sec Good solid setup. Can you get that all to fit? looks like it might be a little tight on grid and cpu to me.
Kazender	Posted - 2006.02.09 13:00:00 - [21] 4 x Focused Medium Pulse II 1 x Medium Nosferatu 1 x 10mn Afterburner II 1 x Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor 1 x J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor (the 20km one whichever that is) 1 x Medium Armour Repairer II 1 x N-Type Thermic Hardener 3 x Heatsink II 1 x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten plate 1 x Capacitor Power Relay All fits with Engineering, Electronics, Weapon Upgrades 5 and Advanced Weapon Upgrades 4 ... which tbh you should have if your flying a HAC :P
Exelsior	Posted - 2006.02.09 15:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Spartan III So is this what you guys were talking about? 4x Heavy Pulse Laser II 1x Medium Diminishing Nos 1x 10mn AB II 1x Fleeting Webber 1x Warp Disruptor(20km) 1x Medium Armor Repairer 1x 800mm Plate II 1x Energ. Thermic 1x Energ. Adaptive 3x Heat Sink II 4400 armor, 70+ resists, lots of DPS, and goes 549m/sec Sorry that doesn't fit ------------------------- Thou shalt be dispatched.
Spartan III	Posted - 2006.02.12 20:49:00 - [23] Originally by: Exelsior Originally by: Spartan III So is this what you guys were talking about? 4x Heavy Pulse Laser II 1x Medium Diminishing Nos 1x 10mn AB II 1x Fleeting Webber 1x Warp Disruptor(20km) 1x Medium Armor Repairer 1x 800mm Plate II 1x Energ. Thermic 1x Energ. Adaptive 3x Heat Sink II 4400 armor, 70+ resists, lots of DPS, and goes 549m/sec Sorry that doesn't fit if uber fitting skills it does ******************** Join Public Channel "Christian Public Access" for great fellowship and fun OMFWTFYarrBQPwn3d!!!11eleventy-one ~kieron
fmercury	Posted - 2006.02.12 20:52:00 - [24] Originally by: Spartan III 1x 800mm Plate II why use tech 2 when rolled tungsten has the exact same stats and is easier to fit?
Asurix	Posted - 2006.02.12 20:53:00 - [25] Originally by: Spartan III Originally by: Exelsior Originally by: Spartan III So is this what you guys were talking about? 4x Heavy Pulse Laser II 1x Medium Diminishing Nos 1x 10mn AB II 1x Fleeting Webber 1x Warp Disruptor(20km) 1x Medium Armor Repairer 1x 800mm Plate II 1x Energ. Thermic 1x Energ. Adaptive 3x Heat Sink II 4400 armor, 70+ resists, lots of DPS, and goes 549m/sec Sorry that doesn't fit if uber fitting skills it does adv weapon upgrades 4, it doesn't fit not close, good luck with the last 2% reduction man
Toaster Oven	Posted - 2006.02.12 20:58:00 - [26] Originally by: Spartan III Originally by: Exelsior Originally by: Spartan III So is this what you guys were talking about? 4x Heavy Pulse Laser II 1x Medium Diminishing Nos 1x 10mn AB II 1x Fleeting Webber 1x Warp Disruptor(20km) 1x Medium Armor Repairer 1x 800mm Plate II 1x Energ. Thermic 1x Energ. Adaptive 3x Heat Sink II 4400 armor, 70+ resists, lots of DPS, and goes 549m/sec Sorry that doesn't fit if uber fitting skills it does No it doesn't
Muthsera	Posted - 2006.02.13 04:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Exelsior Originally by: Spartan III So is this what you guys were talking about? 4x Heavy Pulse Laser II 1x Medium Diminishing Nos 1x 10mn AB II 1x Fleeting Webber 1x Warp Disruptor(20km) 1x Medium Armor Repairer 1x 800mm Plate II 1x Energ. Thermic 1x Energ. Adaptive 3x Heat Sink II 4400 armor, 70+ resists, lots of DPS, and goes 549m/sec Sorry that doesn't fit dropp the plate. fit a nano. plate slows you down, and it's not entirely sure you get that much of a hp/time vs res/time ratio. 1vs1 and 1vs3 what ever way tends to prolong. So higher res will make your medium rep function better. Do not ever ever use hacs in fleet as it's now. it's daft and won't hold for long anyway that will lead you to lose a 150 mill asset clean whitout fitting. (unless your the lucky bastard building em) As long as it's this expensive. If they dropped down to around 80 mill again I whould consider it. My thoughs
Tas Devil	Posted - 2006.02.13 05:53:00 - [28] Originally by: fmercury Originally by: Spartan III 1x 800mm Plate II why use tech 2 when rolled tungsten has the exact same stats and is easier to fit? Try and find a 800 rolled tungsten :) there's about 4-5 of them in game The best Laught ever ... Credit goes to TheKiller8 for this :)
DarkStar251	Posted - 2006.02.13 08:02:00 - [29] Edited by: DarkStar251 on 13/02/2006 08:02:53 Agreed, HACs are not for fleet. The solo Zealot PvP setup I use is:- 4Heavy BEAM II (I like range, and carry Radio, IR, UV, and Multi crystals) 1Small t2 Smartbomb for anti-drone 110mn AB II 1J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I 1Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 2Medium Armor Repairer II (I dont like plates at all) 1Power Diagnostic Unit II 2 or 3Cap Power Relay I (I sometimes Drop the 3rd for a Heat Sink 2 or an Energised Adaptive Nano 2) 1*Armor Thermic Hardener II You can run the Guns, Web/Warp, Hardener, and 1 Rep and AB forever, you have to pulse the 2nd rep as you need it, or shut off the Ab or Guns to survive a little longer while your buddy (if you have one :P) finishes them off. With Guns+AB shut down both reps run forever. Ship stats are: ==[ ZEALOT ]== Powergrid : 1424.0 / 1430.625 MW CPU : 340.1 / 393.75 tf Capacitor (regen) : 1575.0 Energy (94.16sec) Max Cap Regen : 40.98 per sec (approx.) Max Cap Needed : 56.997 per sec Velocity : 654.038 m/sec Signature : 125.0 m Target Range : 63250.0 m Scan Resolution : 306.0 mm ECCM Radar : 13.0 points Shield HP (regen) : 1102.5 (686.25sec) Max Shield Regen : 4.02 per sec (approx.) Shield EM : 0.0 % Shield Explo : 90.0 % Shield Kinetic : 70.0 % Shield Thermal : 20.0 % Armor HP : 2500.0 Armor EM : 60.0 % Armor Explo : 80.0 % Armor Kinetic : 62.5 % Armor Thermal : 70.75 % Structure HP : 1875.0 Drone Capacity : 0.0 m3 Capacity : 240.0 For NPCing I drop the webber/scrambler and pur in Cap Recharger 2s, and then put 2 dmg mods in the lows in the place of 2 cap rels. (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
Spartan III	Posted - 2006.02.13 14:41:00 - [30] Originally by: Toaster Oven Originally by: Spartan III Originally by: Exelsior Originally by: Spartan III So is this what you guys were talking about? 4x Heavy Pulse Laser II 1x Medium Diminishing Nos 1x 10mn AB II 1x Fleeting Webber 1x Warp Disruptor(20km) 1x Medium Armor Repairer 1x 800mm Plate II 1x Energ. Thermic 1x Energ. Adaptive 3x Heat Sink II 4400 armor, 70+ resists, lots of DPS, and goes 549m/sec Sorry that doesn't fit if uber fitting skills it does No it doesn't Very sorry, i accidently posted the wrong setup. The correct setup is 4x Heavy Pulse 1x 10mn AB II 1x Fleeting propulsion inhibitor 1x J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor 1x Medium Armor Rep II 3x Heat Sink II 1x Energ. Thermic hardener 1x Energ. Adapt. Hardener 1x 800mm Rolled Tungsten Plate Is that ok? or does it need a Nos for going solo? ******************** Join Public Channel "Christian Public Access" for great fellowship and fun OMFWTFYarrBQPwn3d!!!11eleventy-one ~kieron

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