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Kalim Lytus	Posted - 2006.02.09 19:09:00 - [1] Why do other players feel it is needed to attach other players in low sec security zones for no reason other than destroy the ship and pod people? We all pay real life money to play this game. I find it very bad game dynamics that other players can attack you with out a reason more than that they want to do that. I think implemnting a flag or a setting that says I want to perticipate in PVP would be a great addition to the game. Instead of the current settings, which means half of the space and the game would be limited to me because I do not like to PVP. I can not go to low sec zones and kill high end NPC's becuase a player will attack me even if I am not doing anything to them. What you all think?
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.02.09 19:11:00 - [2] Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 09/02/2006 19:17:48 Originally by: Viceroy No, die. Maybe later, I'll give you a good, full, long explanation. But for now, I like Viceroy's way of putting things. Damn, I feel bad already. So fine, I'll give you the short version. PVP is the central element in EVE. If you absolutely do not want to participate in PVP, you can stay in an NPC corp (no war declarations) and never leave highsec empire. If you want to participate in other parts of the game, you have to submit to the risk of PVP. That's the price you pay for going into lowsec or 0.0. Furthermore, a lot of elements of the game absolutely require non-consensual PVP, which means that allowing a "Don't Shoot Me" button would ruin them. Pirating would be dead. Claiming 0.0 territory and defending it would be dead. Hell, the simple nervousness of flying around lowsec/0.0 alone would be gone, because there's no possibility of being ambushed. In the future, if you have any other n00b questions, please post them in the EVE New Citizens Q&A forum. -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108! Stop whining about my signature - Wrangler \o/ ~kieron [\
George Petsch	Posted - 2006.02.09 19:11:00 - [3] Would a cookie help? Btw, welcome to EVE Online. Enjoy the tension.
Ortu Konsinni	Posted - 2006.02.09 19:11:00 - [4] Been discussed over and over. Forget about it. If you don't want to PVP, stick to systems rated 0.5+ and make money however you want or can. - Ship Gallery - Helpdesk from Hell
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2006.02.09 19:12:00 - [5] Originally by: Kalim Lytus Why do other players feel it is needed to attach other players in low sec security zones for no reason other than destroy the ship and pod people? We all pay real life money to play this game. I find it very bad game dynamics that other players can attack you with out a reason more than that they want to do that. I think implemnting a flag or a setting that says I want to perticipate in PVP would be a great addition to the game. Instead of the current settings, which means half of the space and the game would be limited to me because I do not like to PVP. I can not go to low sec zones and kill high end NPC's becuase a player will attack me even if I am not doing anything to them. What you all think? You think you can kill pirates and not get reprecussions, ZOMG you murderer!!!! I pwnt Wrangler - Tenacha
Sebastien LeReparteur	Posted - 2006.02.09 19:16:00 - [6] Edited by: Sebastien LeReparteur on 09/02/2006 19:18:55 Edited by: Sebastien LeReparteur on 09/02/2006 19:18:35 just do like the rest of us. Use only frigs as they are mostly untouchable by npc BS and cruisers. When a PVPer warps in try to dock or simply wiat. Preventing them form getting the addrenaline by remaning obvious to there attacks is as fun to me as them getting it. And after two or 3 cruiser you have payed out your frig and you clone so you won't even loose a dime! Just find a freind or two so those Ebil NPC die faster. Oh! and when making the jump to try to load a few modules and sell them in those barren station HECK i make money of the AMMO I sell by overloading my frig
Gonada	Posted - 2006.02.09 19:16:00 - [7] Why do other players feel it is needed to attach other players in low sec security zones for no reason other than destroy the ship and pod people? We all pay real life money to play this game. I find it very bad game dynamics that other players can attack you with out a reason more than that they want to do that. I think implemnting a flag or a setting that says I want to perticipate in PVP would be a great addition to the game. Instead of the current settings, which means half of the space and the game would be limited to me because I do not like to PVP. I can not go to low sec zones and kill high end NPC's becuase a player will attack me even if I am not doing anything to them. What you all think? -------------------------------------------- i think you should uninstall EVE right now , why? because this is the game you bought, eve, full of risk, reward, adventure. you want carebear land? go play a carebear game. eve is not a carebear game. do you even know what low sec mean? LOW SECURITY, you need to be able to defend yourself thru wits, knowlede, and might. and evidantally you have little of all these atm. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
Suze'Rain	Posted - 2006.02.09 19:18:00 - [8] welcome to human nature... I could explain more, but it's not needed really. There is no-where in Eve that is safe, even 1.0 security is not a gurantee of your safety, you can be podded there, you can be hunted to death anywhere... However, "low Security Space Systems" are exactly that. The do exactly what they say on the tin. Rens might well be New York, 1880... but Anamake next door is Dodge City. there is no law but that of the gun, or those who enforce their territory. Eve is all about PVP. to change the inherent nature of Eve in such a way is akin to taking Counter-Strike, and removing the guns because people might get gibbed. PS. expect to be nicely toasted by the flames to come.
Maderda Kuhal	Posted - 2006.02.09 19:19:00 - [9] Originally by: George Petsch Would a cookie help? Btw, welcome to EVE Online. Enjoy the tension. I like the game just as it is. Can I please have a cookie anyway? Chocolate chip would be nice.
Brutor Shaun	Posted - 2006.02.09 19:20:00 - [10] Originally by: Kalim Lytus I can not go to low sec zones and kill high end NPC's becuase a player will attack me even if I am not doing anything to them. What you all think? I think you're talking ****. I don't PvP unless I'm attacked, and quite happily go ratting in .4 and lower. You've just gotta get to know who's who in the area and keep an eye on local. And get ready to warp out if red or orange appear in your overview. If you're lucky you'll find a quiet system just one or two jumps from empire and not see a soul in local for hours.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.02.09 19:20:00 - [11] flamebait 4tw sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy
Vendrin	Posted - 2006.02.09 19:21:00 - [12] lol Need help in Caldari Space? Join channel CCDF to give or recieve it.
Buxaroo	Posted - 2006.02.09 19:21:00 - [13] One, you need to join a non-nuub corp that plays in 0.0. Two, if everything was consensual this would be nothing more than EQ2 in space......and I loathe EQ2 and that kind of crap. If you don't want to be attacked in 0.0 then you need to get in a corp that plays there and everyone who is +5 to your corp will not attack you (well majority of the time anyways ). This is what we would call a "carebear" argument. This is not SWG where you have to "declare". If ya want that kind of play you are in the wrong game let me tell ya. That's the thing....if you want to enjoy the high payoff and resources of 0.0 then you have to work for it and keep on your toes. That is pretty much why there is 1.0 to 0.0 space.....the higher the security of the system, the less likey you will get podded....and also the the lower the sec of space the higher the payoff of resources/rats etc. You have to work for your high payouts. Sorry for sounding kind of harsh but that's the facts 'mam. This game is too unique to be spoiled by carebear mentality of other games....thats why I play this game and left all the others. . . . "No matter where you go, there you are."
kahle	Posted - 2006.02.09 19:30:00 - [14] Consensual PVP would be the worst thing that could happen to eve. As pointed out stay in high and you will be just fine (well 99.9% fine, no where is completely safe, even if in a noob corp)
Cvuos	Posted - 2006.02.09 19:48:00 - [15] Let's limit all PvP to Singularity. All ships are free. No podding or wrecking shots allowed, must only play with lights on, parental discretion is advised. In other news, strip miner sales are booming!
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2006.02.09 19:55:00 - [16] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 09/02/2006 19:55:58 EVE is all about pvp, competiton, risk vs. reward. You can't get a no pvp flag, because then you would have the stuff for free that's meant as a reward for the winners of the competition or people who bear a high risk. You can't introduce a no-pvp flag without ruining the whole game. And if your not interested in the rewards that people get as pvp / high risk rewards like better mins, better belt rats etc., then there is also no point in wanting access to all system. Otherwise the systems are all the same. One sun, some planets, moons, belts, some stations. Nothing special. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.02.09 19:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Kalim Lytus Why do other players feel it is needed to attach other players in low sec security zones for no reason other than destroy the ship and pod people? We all pay real life money to play this game. I find it very bad game dynamics that other players can attack you with out a reason more than that they want to do that. I think implemnting a flag or a setting that says I want to perticipate in PVP would be a great addition to the game. Instead of the current settings, which means half of the space and the game would be limited to me because I do not like to PVP. I can not go to low sec zones and kill high end NPC's becuase a player will attack me even if I am not doing anything to them. What you all think? I think you should stay in high-sec until you're ready to risk yourself for greater rewards. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Rasitiln	Posted - 2006.02.09 20:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Kalim Lytus Why do other players feel it is needed to attach other players in low sec security zones for no reason other than destroy the ship and pod people? We all pay real life money to play this game. I find it very bad game dynamics that other players can attack you with out a reason more than that they want to do that. I think implemnting a flag or a setting that says I want to perticipate in PVP would be a great addition to the game. Instead of the current settings, which means half of the space and the game would be limited to me because I do not like to PVP. I can not go to low sec zones and kill high end NPC's becuase a player will attack me even if I am not doing anything to them. What you all think? I think you should go play WoW /emote turns on 99% mods cant touch this hardner That 1% was enough - Wrangler
LDMcFear	Posted - 2006.02.09 20:20:00 - [19] Edited by: LDMcFear on 09/02/2006 20:20:05 Better yet go play D&D Online they have absolutely NO PvP whatsovever and the Devs of that game have said they will never introduce it. So that sounds like the game for you, PvE until your heart Explodes.
Wotar	Posted - 2006.02.09 20:27:00 - [20] Originally by: HippoKing flamebait 4tw
Uther Doull	Posted - 2006.02.09 20:54:00 - [21] because we like it?
Wild Rho	Posted - 2006.02.09 20:57:00 - [22] I'm half convinced that the player is posting this just to annoying people or start some flames.
Montague Zooma	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:19:00 - [23] Ah yes, a perfect example of why Gamespot rates Eve at a 6.6. ------------------------------------------------------------------- One noob. One corp. One complete waste of 1.6 million isk.
Delanai	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Kalim Lytus Why do other players feel it is needed to attach other players in low sec security zones for no reason other than destroy the ship and pod people? We all pay real life money to play this game. I find it very bad game dynamics that other players can attack you with out a reason more than that they want to do that. I think implemnting a flag or a setting that says I want to perticipate in PVP would be a great addition to the game. Instead of the current settings, which means half of the space and the game would be limited to me because I do not like to PVP. I can not go to low sec zones and kill high end NPC's becuase a player will attack me even if I am not doing anything to them. What you all think? Because we can, if i see you in game, ill make sure to kill you Murder ;) so fun.
Nirvy	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:41:00 - [25] Originally by: Kalim Lytus Why do other players feel it is needed to attach other players in low sec security zones for no reason other than destroy the ship and pod people? We all pay real life money to play this game. I find it very bad game dynamics that other players can attack you with out a reason more than that they want to do that. I think implemnting a flag or a setting that says I want to perticipate in PVP would be a great addition to the game. Instead of the current settings, which means half of the space and the game would be limited to me because I do not like to PVP. I can not go to low sec zones and kill high end NPC's becuase a player will attack me even if I am not doing anything to them. What you all think? Killing people is fun. If you dont want PvP you best go elsewhere you picked the wrong game, everything about Eve revolves around PvP and has done for 3 years.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:42:00 - [26] Originally by: Montague Zooma Ah yes, a perfect example of why Gamespot rates Eve at a 6.6. Why not just rate EVE 10, and rate morons 0? -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108! Stop whining about my signature - Wrangler \o/ ~kieron [\"] -Capsicum
Kurren	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Gonada i think you should uninstall EVE right now , why? because this is the game you bought, eve, full of risk, reward, adventure. you want carebear land? go play a carebear game. eve is not a carebear game. do you even know what low sec mean? LOW SECURITY, you need to be able to defend yourself thru wits, knowlede, and might. and evidantally you have little of all these atm. Wait, before you do that.... can I have your stuff? SobaKai.com -Devs, please don't destroy my ENTIRE signature next time!-
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Montague Zooma Ah yes, a perfect example of why Gamespot rates Eve at a 6.6. who cares abaut fu.cked gamespot? i will say lest rate eve at 2.0 or even 0.0 so we dont get any new stupid carebears who will post junk like this and make even biger lag BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!11 SIG ATTACK!111 - Imaran me>mods cos i have sexy sig
Kurren	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:50:00 - [29] Originally by: Montague Zooma Ah yes, a perfect example of why Gamespot rates Eve at a 6.6. SobaKai.com -Devs, please don't destroy my ENTIRE signature next time!-
trust trd	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:28:00 - [30] Originally by: Nirvy Killing Ypeople is fun. If you dont want PvP you best go elsewhere you picked the wrong game, everything about Eve revolves around PvP and has done for 3 years. As a manufacturer I would say everything revolves around building. You fight so ships are lost so I can build and sell more. I mine and trade for more minerals to build more ships. People trade to get isk to get more ships so they can blow it up so I can build more. I disagree that this game revolves around PvP for everyone. If you are into PvP then I could see how it seems to revolve around you, but to a manufacturer it is just one of many needed components. If no one ever PvP'ed and just lost ships to Missions, Complexes, and Belt rats I would be just as happy as long as people kept losing ships. As for pirates, they help keep low sec valuable, without them low sec would be slightly better then high sec. They help keep people on their toes (and not just in low sec, but high sec also).

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