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Douglas McCracken
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Posted - 2006.02.10 00:36:00 -
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how about sentry drones? what kind of distance do they give with maxed skills?
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.02.10 00:36:00 -
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The thing is that he's not trying to show drones usefulness in any given situation, just how insane the domi is at the moment.
If you decide to use maybe 6 tech II heavy neutrons, you get some frankly insane damage on top of the ludicrous amount for dones. Anyone who says the domi is currently 'as it should be' is either a liar or a fool. Choosing damage type for any situation is a massive advantage anyway, especially since you don't need to know beforehand, just have a selection to choose from. Then add on to it the potential to dual-rep tank, or shield tank or Ewar and its become a true bastardmobile.
This is especially true when you compare it to the given example of an 800II tempest. Surely it can't be intended for one sides main battleship to have less firepower than an out-dated one from another. Also theres the issue of drones doing their full damage the whole way along their range. Even if they are slow, when they get there, they immediately start doing their whole DPS unlikes missile ships who have to wait for each volly to travel.
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.02.10 00:37:00 -
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Edited by: OrangeAfroMan on 10/02/2006 00:38:56
 Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: Reesah
Originally by: KilROCK
Having a DPS chart isn't anything useful if it doesn't mean a thing when put out in a 'real' situation.
So facing a Nos-Domi with 5x Ogre II isn't a 'real' situation?
Comparing a Railthron, Tachyonapoc/geddon, or 1400 tempest to a nos domi is the stupidest thing to do.
Have to agree with that, thats why i told him to run the numbers on an Autotempest, Blasterthron and Pulsageddon, ive only seen the Autotempest so far :/
Err theres the Blasterthron right there! ^
Slow response FTW!!!
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Mando Nessen
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Posted - 2006.02.10 00:37:00 -
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Or 7 large neutron II's on a mega (didnt' say we could fit RCUII's)
DAM 4.2
*1.25 (Gal BS 5)
*1.25 (Large Hybrid 5)
*1.15 (Surgical Strike 5)
*1.10 (Blaster spec 5)
= 8.30
ROF 7.88
*0.9 (gunnery 5)
*0.8 (rapid fire 5)
= 5.67
DPS = (8.3 * 48 * 7)/5.67 = 491.9
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Leandro Salazar
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Posted - 2006.02.10 00:51:00 -
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Maybe the lack of a drone damage mod is the balancing factor? Drones got high raw DPS, guns got lower raw DPS but can be augmented by mods if need be...
Also I am by no means a professional drone user, but whenever I send them after something, even something big and slow, they seem to do a lot less DPS than they should on paper, while my guns always come close or even exceed (multi-wreckings) the paper value when in suitable range.
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2006.02.10 01:11:00 -
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Omg Gallente got nerfed bad in teh drone nerf.
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Originally by: Oveur
To the nerfmobile!
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.10 01:23:00 -
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one of the more ignorant threds
what was the point again? to show DPS of drones vs guns? how is that any better then plucking numbers out of the sky
and as alreadty pointed out perhaps do a 7x t2 pulse gedden AND its 5 heavy t2 drones vs a domi with nos or guns or what ever
or a blasterthron + its drones
ect ect.
i can get my blasterthron + drones past 1000 DPS. the domi can get just under half that with drones and is pretty gimped after that.
annd yes  at compairing snipers to nos domis
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.02.10 01:33:00 -
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Edited by: Zysco on 10/02/2006 01:34:56
Edited by: Zysco on 10/02/2006 01:34:45
Originally by: Gronsak
i can get my blasterthron + drones past 1000 DPS. the domi can get just under half that with drones and is pretty gimped after that.
annd yes at compairing snipers to nos domis
I get MUCH higher than 1000 DPS on a domi (think around 1200?) in quickfit (dont have the skills for t2 droneses yet  ).
6 Neutron IIs
mwd, web, scrambler, 2 jammers
4 damage mods 2 rcu IIs 1 cap relay
5 ogre IIs
Calc that  Btw it all fits.
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jamesw
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Posted - 2006.02.10 01:38:00 -
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Thats just too evil.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.10 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
Edited by: Zysco on 10/02/2006 01:34:56
Edited by: Zysco on 10/02/2006 01:34:45
Originally by: Gronsak
i can get my blasterthron + drones past 1000 DPS. the domi can get just under half that with drones and is pretty gimped after that.
annd yes at compairing snipers to nos domis
I get MUCH higher than 1000 DPS on a domi (think around 1200?) in quickfit (dont have the skills for t2 droneses yet ).
6 Neutron IIs
mwd, web, scrambler, 2 jammers
4 damage mods 2 rcu IIs 1 cap relay
5 ogre IIs
Calc that Btw it all fits.
only problem is i get 1200DPS with some sort of tank. but it looks like u have none thus would die fast to anything.
but thanks for the tip. ill look into useing a blasterdomi, cant say i ever really liked the domi tbh. reminds me oddly of the raven.
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Leandro Salazar
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Posted - 2006.02.10 01:52:00 -
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4 damage mods eh? Yeah, great idea fitting a 4th that only works at about 10% effectiveness...
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2006.02.10 02:06:00 -
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I've got a domi that does over 1k DpS at 2-30k, has 4 midslots free to use whatever I want, and has a high-HP, high-resist tank.
Under 20k its easily the best battleship in the game atm.
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Helena Zeugir
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Posted - 2006.02.10 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Fear
I've got a domi that does over 1k DpS at 2-30k, has 4 midslots free to use whatever I want, and has a high-HP, high-resist tank.
Under 20k its easily the best battleship in the game atm.
Care to share the setup? (Here, PM, Eve-Mail me, whatever? I¦m a newish Domi drone user)
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.02.10 06:04:00 -
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Why don't we do a dmg check of a domi vs a BS with a smartbomb or 2?
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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jamesw
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Posted - 2006.02.10 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Why don't we do a dmg check of a domi vs a BS with a smartbomb or 2?
Drone hitpoint boost has boosted domis vs smartbombs.
Chances are, you will run out of cap before the domi runs out of drones.
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Agent Kenshin
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Posted - 2006.02.10 06:22:00 -
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Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 10/02/2006 06:23:44
Originally by: jamesw
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Why don't we do a dmg check of a domi vs a BS with a smartbomb or 2?
Drone hitpoint boost has boosted domis vs smartbombs.
Chances are, you will run out of cap before the domi runs out of drones.
Especially since your drones with some nice skills have almost 2k HP(not armor ) each... 
Originally by: MAXSuicide
only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'
ehehehh....
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PAulyous
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Posted - 2006.02.11 02:57:00 -
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I can think of a nice nos setup and it would not be slow i'ver
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.02.11 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Fear
I've got a domi that does over 1k DpS at 2-30k, has 4 midslots free to use whatever I want, and has a high-HP, high-resist tank.
Under 20k its easily the best battleship in the game atm.
dual 250 II armor tanked w/ heavy cap booster i assume?
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2006.02.11 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
Originally by: Blind Fear
I've got a domi that does over 1k DpS at 2-30k, has 4 midslots free to use whatever I want, and has a high-HP, high-resist tank.
Under 20k its easily the best battleship in the game atm.
dual 250 II armor tanked w/ heavy cap booster i assume?
If I say what it is, jamesw will steal it, make a movie, and itll be 'Jamesw's dominix setup' forever.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.02.11 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
Edited by: KilROCK on 09/02/2006 23:09:11
All guns are long range, Which drones are not.
Tell that to my Ishtar. 5 nanofibres in the lows, 5 Ogre II and a 10mn MWD. I launch the drones and within 12 seconds I'm 100km away, still able to lock onto targets and direct my drones due to a sensor booster and some drone link modules. The ship's top speed is over 2km/sec and its acceleration is insane.
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2006.02.11 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: KilROCK
Edited by: KilROCK on 09/02/2006 23:09:11
All guns are long range, Which drones are not.
Tell that to my Ishtar. 5 nanofibres in the lows, 5 Ogre II and a 10mn MWD. I launch the drones and within 12 seconds I'm 100km away, still able to lock onto targets and direct my drones due to a sensor booster and some drone link modules. The ship's top speed is over 2km/sec and its acceleration is insane.
At what point did:
"I'm going to throw away all of my tank and then run out to a range where battleship guns will easily be able to tear me apart!"
Sound like a good idea to you.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.02.11 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Fear
At what point did:
"I'm going to throw away all of my tank and then run out to a range where battleship guns will easily be able to tear me apart!"
Sound like a good idea to you.
The part with sensor dampeners.
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Muthsera
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Posted - 2006.02.11 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: KilROCK
Edited by: KilROCK on 09/02/2006 23:09:11
All guns are long range, Which drones are not.
Tell that to my Ishtar. 5 nanofibres in the lows, 5 Ogre II and a 10mn MWD. I launch the drones and within 12 seconds I'm 100km away, still able to lock onto targets and direct my drones due to a sensor booster and some drone link modules. The ship's top speed is over 2km/sec and its acceleration is insane.
And ppl wonder why ISS lose so many ships.
Man. You totally contradict what drone warefare is about. Close combat. I personally hate domies. I litrally hate to fight em. Whit their drones as indirect fire and nos/jam/web/scrambler they can do it all themself. And still tank very well. For close combat they are hell to fight against. 1vs1's you really got to know what your doing to beat one.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.02.11 07:08:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 11/02/2006 07:10:19
Originally by: Muthsera
And ppl wonder why ISS lose so many ships.
Never fought for them. And from what I hear the navy does pretty damn well. The ships we lose are mostly ganked haulers and shuttles from inexperienced pilots.
And I may contradict what drone warfare is about to you but when you can bring the full firepower of multiple ishtars down on sensor damped and scrambled pilots without putting the ishtars in harms way, I wouldn't dismiss it so fervently. There used to be a tactic where people would get thoraxes to dump 8 heavy drones on someone and fly out of harm's way with a 100mn mwd shoehorned into the ship or dual 10mn mwd when those worked. The idea was that they only risked their drones, not their ship (even though it was just a thorax). With an ishtar, you can not only do that but you can control your drones up to 150km away if needed.
It's no solo setup like a good vampadom but for support fire as part of a gang, it makes an interesting tactic, doesn't it?
I use it for NPCing at the moment but it does have a place in pvp. As long as you stay on the grid, your drones will keep attacking. You only need to fly to within drone control range (up to 150km) to change targets. You could sit 300km out doing as much damage as a close range domi and there's not a ship that can even lock you if you have the appropriate dampening support.
The basic idea is that an ishtar is 100mil+ to replace but 5-10 T2 ogres are dirt cheap in comparison. Close-range, a domi can make use of neuts or nosferatus but an ishtar can't do much of anything. Medium nos aren't that hot and three turret slots and a tiny powergrid makes for very litte additional damage. Why risk your ship for an extra 100DPS or such when you can keep it out of the way in a gang encounter and still deal your main drone damage?
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Rafein
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Posted - 2006.02.11 16:36:00 -
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Personally, I don;t mind that drones do more damage than guns.
Drones, especially the Heavy drones, are very easily popped, so they should do better damage than guns. Guns are not destroyed unless the ship dies, while drones, he opponent can negate the DPS by simply killing 2-3 of them
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.02.11 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Rafein
Personally, I don;t mind that drones do more damage than guns.
Drones, especially the Heavy drones, are very easily popped, so they should do better damage than guns. Guns are not destroyed unless the ship dies, while drones, he opponent can negate the DPS by simply killing 2-3 of them
Too bad that heavies have ****loads of HP. While you are wasting your ammo/cap on killing his drones, he himself has lost no HP, while you are probably already in hull.
Drones = overpowered.
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smallgreenblur
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Posted - 2006.02.11 16:58:00 -
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Omg the domi is actually useful! Nerf drones! 
sgb
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.02.11 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rafein
Personally, I don;t mind that drones do more damage than guns.
Drones, especially the Heavy drones, are very easily popped, so they should do better damage than guns. Guns are not destroyed unless the ship dies, while drones, he opponent can negate the DPS by simply killing 2-3 of them
That's exactly it. They're balanced by the fact they can be destroyed. They're not the same as guns or missiles and comparing them on raw DPS doesn't do anyone any good.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.02.11 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Fear
Originally by: Zysco
Originally by: Blind Fear
I've got a domi that does over 1k DpS at 2-30k, has 4 midslots free to use whatever I want, and has a high-HP, high-resist tank.
Under 20k its easily the best battleship in the game atm.
dual 250 II armor tanked w/ heavy cap booster i assume?
If I say what it is, jamesw will steal it, make a movie, and itll be 'Jamesw's dominix setup' forever.
Fine I will spread the gospel of the dual 250 shield tanked dominix as "rollindutchmasters setup."
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Manira
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Posted - 2006.02.11 17:13:00 -
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reminds me, can anyone calculate dps of wasps II on ishtar?
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