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destiny2 Perkone Caldari State 233	Posted - 2013.11.05 07:03:00 - [31] - Quote Malphas Vynneve wrote: I have too much morality for scams, but real talk, i could use some help on iskies. And i could use advice on ways to effectively make more money in the game. Like trading. How do people make millions through trading? Seems like all my buy orders just sit there unnoticed. Or maybe another route to riches... buy a prepaid visa card, with about 115.00 on it, and buy 6 plexes redeem them when in jita, walla you just made 3.5 bill isk or be like others and just go mine, use a procuer tho they may take longer, but they can get some nice tanks and gankers ignore you
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 4250	Posted - 2013.11.05 07:09:00 - [32] - Quote Malphas Vynneve wrote: Just because i respectfully declined your offer to be paid a ****** 15isk per unit of cordite doesn't mean anything at all, GÇª. So, can we get back to talking about good ways for noobies to make increasingly good isk? Let me break this down for you. You can choose to mine solo. In that case you will: Warp to belt mine until your ore hold is full Warp to station List your ore for sale and hope someone buys it There are variations of the above, where you can refine your ore, haul your ore/minerals to market elsewhere, etc. Doing this you have to continually move to shuffle ore back to the station, and you are responsible for hauling to market. Another option is: Join up with a mining fleet mine until your hold is full dump the ore in the nearby Orca repeat from step 2 above The main difference is that you have fleet boosts (a "perfect" Orca boosts your yield by 50%) and you are no longer using your time to haul goods back to station, or further afield to a market. If you are mining in a Venture, it is worth paying a penalty of up to 50% to have the fleet boosts and have someone else do the hauling for you. At the very least, that 50% means you have the starting point for a negotiation.
Malphas Vynneve The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.11.05 07:10:00 - [33] - Quote Honestly, i thought about doing the PLEX redeeming, but i really don't want to do that. The only real money i'll ever spend in this game is money for game time. And i bought my first 3 PLEX online to begin with. But regardless, my intentions are to eventually be able to make enough money per month to not have to buy PLEX. that way my account is self-sufficient and i can stop paying real money for it. I just need advice on things like trading, maybe planetary interaction, i don't really know anything about it, though i hear it's a good way to regularly make money. I'm sure there are other routes to making isk that i don't even know about. I thought about manufacturing, i just can't stand how long it takes to mine. the only mining i even almost enjoy is gas cloud mining.
Malphas Vynneve The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.11.05 07:19:00 - [34] - Quote Again, i'm no miner. If i'm a miner, i'll be stuck mining to get my money. which will leave me sitting in a belt for thirty, forty minutes every trip. which just sounds aweful. I would much rather focus on.... well, anything but mining. Combat is what i'm most interested in. I already have some pretty good trading skills. i think daytrading, margin trading, and accounting are the ones i don't have. i have both basic planetary interaction certs. so that's something i'd like to look into. But i want to focus my training on combat related skills. because i'm never going to make a name for myself being a miner. I'm not a pirate, so i'll have browny points for being trustworthy. My leadership is at 4, so that's another thing. But still, no mining. I'll smooth fall asleep if i sit through another thirty minutes of orbiting an asteroid. And i don't want to waste time training mining skills when i could use that precious time training combat or "Core Certificate" skills. I feel like i'm getting off topic... i dunno, it's whatever, haha
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 4250	Posted - 2013.11.05 07:24:00 - [35] - Quote Well, if you want to make a living using your combat skills and shooting stuff, there's always mission running.
Malphas Vynneve The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.11.05 07:31:00 - [36] - Quote Well. i like the idea of some Epic Arc missions, but not much else. If i can run missions to learn a storyline, so be it. But really, the missions just don't give off much money. At least, the ones i've been running don't. I can't really speak for lvl 4 or 5 missions. Actually, i don't think i've even done a lvl 3 mission before. But 1's and 2's don't give much. I'm talking about a career grade pastime. Something i can do to fund my combat. I mean, i understand that i'm gonna be losing a LOT of ships, but i've lost all my money making careless mistakes with ship fittings and getting caught by damn pirates while exploring or just hanging out outside the AHQ. But what i really need now is advice on a way to go from a VERY small amount of money to a decent enough amount to get a ship that i can start doing missions in so i can afford to buy whatever i'm going to need to buy to start my career. Whatever that is. which is the other point of information that i need. What, besides mining, would be good for me to get into that will provide me with enough money to buy a PLEX each month and have extra to buy ships and other equipment. I mean, i need to be making billions per month.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 4250	Posted - 2013.11.05 07:38:00 - [37] - Quote Did you read the Making ISK guide? Why do you dismiss activities that you haven't even tried? Level 4 missions pay tens of millions of ISK each, far better than L1/L2 missions by a very long shot. Yes, they can get boring, but at least they're a decent source of ISK to help fuel your other activities. As for PI, that is discussed in the guide. Please let me know what questions you have which aren't answered in the guide or its references. I'd be more than happy to update the guide.
Grozen Titan Core 18	Posted - 2013.11.05 07:40:00 - [38] - Quote wormhole exploration is good, next expansion will add the ghost sites which would drop the best bpo for warp speed implant.It could make you very very rich fast and all you need is decent exploring ship.
Malphas Vynneve The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.11.05 08:01:00 - [39] - Quote Ok, you really shouldn't put words in my mouth. Don't assume that i'm dismissing anything unless i say so. I said i like the Epic Arc missions and i said the lvl1 and 2 missions that i've done don't pay much. That's ALL i said. and i pretty damn clearly said i can't speak for the lvl4 or 5 missions. Anyway, if we can move on past presumptions. No, i haven't read the Making ISK guide, but i'll check it out and let you know if i have any questions. but Grozen, i've dabbled in the wormholes a bit and they're pretty interesting. Seems like i was having some issues last time i checked it out, though, i just can't remember what it was, haha. I think it was that i found some gas sites, left to get my venture, and lost the wormhole. or i'd save the gas site and forget to save the wormhole location, haha. But i still don't have enough money to get decent stuff that i can actually do anything in.
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 1631	Posted - 2013.11.05 08:03:00 - [40] - Quote Running missions is probably the simplest way to get on your feet ISK-wise with minimal initial investment. And yes, level 3 and 4 missions pay much much more than level 1 ones. Stick to running missions for one NPC corp to gain standings fastest. If your goal is to PvP a lot, search for a corp/alliance which will reimburse your lost ships. That way you have much less ISK to grind.
Malphas Vynneve The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.11.05 08:22:00 - [41] - Quote Yeah, my main focus in the game is PvP, but i'd rather just train my skills up until i feel like i can jump in it and stand a chance against people who've been training for years. But regardless, i'm still sitting here with all of maybe 2 thousand isk and i won't be buying ** anytime soon. I keep saying i need a way to go from VERY VERY VERY small amounts to at least enough to get a goddamn atron with some motherfucking ** blasters or something. **. I don't do well with patience or frustration. (hell of a game to get into with that kind of tolerance, eh?) but i'm not getting anywhere, so i guess i'm just gonna sit here in the station and talk to people. i'm getting off the forum now. Even though you guys have given some pretty good advice, i'm not getting anywhere but more frustrated. Later guys.
Solstice Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 4314	Posted - 2013.11.05 08:29:00 - [42] - Quote This is a nice meta scam, i give you a 8/10.
Solstice Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 4314	Posted - 2013.11.05 08:31:00 - [43] - Quote And your last post really hits the cake. Nice work, but too obvious for my taste.
Malphas Vynneve The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.11.05 08:50:00 - [44] - Quote Ok, guy.
Malphas Vynneve The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.11.05 08:58:00 - [45] - Quote Define "meta scam"
Malphas Vynneve The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.11.05 09:05:00 - [46] - Quote now that i think about it. that's actually a pretty dickish move. But i don't need to prove i'm not a scammer. Because i'm not scamming anyone. If i was asking for isk, it would have only been enough to get a standard frigate. Which is nothing compared to the millions, even billions most players make. So good job guy, you found someone "meta scamming" for pennies. (sarcasm)
Bal'Ayle Sneaky Bastards. Mildly Intoxicated 5	Posted - 2013.11.05 09:11:00 - [47] - Quote If you really are that desperate go wait in amar in about 11 hours and drop me an ingame message when i log in and il take you out to salvage some of my wrecks - that should give you enough isk to get you going. il even furnish you with a salvage frigate. best way to never run out of ISK? get scanning skills. get a scanning ship. get a cloak and go to an area where there are a lot of mission runners. scan their ships down and warp to them. cloak up and wait for them to finish the rats, then ask them if you can salvage. if there rude, salvage anyway. if they politely say no go to your next site and rinse and repeat. if they say yes go for it. >>assuming they haven't changed the aggression mechs and salvaging now gets you blinky.
Prince Sanguine 66	Posted - 2013.11.05 09:18:00 - [48] - Quote Why not join a pve corp and fly in fleets daily with them? You'll make isk and be able to train skills. Eve isn't a game for people who want instant gratification. It will take you months to get the proper skills and fits. All I do is PvP now but it took a while to amass isk to do it all the time. I would say give me your stuff, but you're space poor.
Abraham Nalelmir V I R I I Ineluctable. 12	Posted - 2013.11.05 09:35:00 - [49] - Quote Spend sometime training industry skills and make good iskies by building stuffs
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 4253	Posted - 2013.11.05 09:47:00 - [50] - Quote Do the Career Advancement missions. They give you millions of ISK and a bunch of ships too!
Bal'Ayle Sneaky Bastards. Mildly Intoxicated 5	Posted - 2013.11.05 09:49:00 - [51] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: Do the Career Advancement missions. They give you millions of ISK and a bunch of ships too! lol sometimes the obvious answer is the one that escapes us all. +1
Malphas Vynneve The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.11.05 09:50:00 - [52] - Quote Ok. Firstly, i never said anything about wanting instant gratification. The closest to instant gratification i ever requested was someone helping me get out of the hole i put myself in. However; i'm not that concerned about it anymore, because i somehow managed to get help from someone in the alliance. And actually, i didn't want anyone in the corp to know, because, like i said, i'm trying to "be somebody" in the eve world, haha. i didn't really want them to know i ****** up. Since then, i've been reading guides, watching youtube videos, and getting advice from you guys. But Bal'Ayle, i may just come visit you. But i'm still trying to figure out what i can do to make lots of money. How do i work my way up to lvl4 and 5 missions? It'll still take me a while before i can do them anyway, because i'm only up to cruiser on my ship flying capability. But even so, i really shouldn't fly them because i can't even fit tech2 equipment. I have some decent industry skills. I actually, instead of focusing on one thing, spread my skill training throughout stuff like trading, manufacturing and processing, combat related skills, logistics, mining... all kinds of stuff. I only have one character, cus i couldn't stand the idea of stopping my queue on one character to start another, so i just trained my main for everything i'd ever want to do. But what i'm really interested in is doing something that makes a difference in the eve world. Like taking over another system for the alliance, stuff like that. Or buying and/or running major equipment for the alliance. or running defense or security, even like covert ops type stuff. I don't know. I do know i'm typing a damn novel here, haha.
Gallali Egidall Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:46:00 - [53] - Quote Malphas Vynneve wrote: I'm not understanding what you're meaning by your obvious sarcasm. So i bought three months of game time? I like the game. You don't have to be a big fat douche cus i spent my own money on a decent amount of game time. And so what i came to the forums to ask for help? And so what i didn't want to join your little mining op? perhaps i'm into something more exciting? Just because i respectfully declined your offer to be paid a **** 15isk per unit of scordite doesn't mean anything at all, except that maybe i know i could train myself to use a barge once i get on my eve feet and not have to worry about how many trips a take back and forth. I'm asking for information and **. not illogical sarcasm. nor am i looking to start a forum bitching fit. So, can we get back to talking about good ways for noobies to make increasingly good isk? I'm not trying to be a douche. Apologies if I fail and am at all douche-like. I'm not sure how new you are...but here are some options: Short term - Fly from empire to empire doing all the tutorial missions. Someone else mentioned this, and this is NOT A JOKE. It's what I figured out the hard way when I got all my shiny new noob destroyer blown up in the Sisters of Eve arc and went "Well now what?". I think I got about 8-10 million a station and there are 12 stations. Plus, you get a boost to your standings with all the empires. While you're doing this, make sure to skill into your Core Basic or Core Standard certifications. Then work on a T2 weapon and T2 fitting skills. Unlock at least one group of T2 racial frigates. BOOM...you're ready for all sorts of useful and dangerously awesome roles in your corp. Quite a few skills that unlock T2 fittings only need a 4 in a skill which means you can accomplish many of them in about a day. The ones that need a 5 are usually closer to a week or two. Skill into a mining barge and mine hisec. That's what I do for a living and I make enough iskies to buy all the expensive skillbooks I want. I prefer to collect obscure skills rather than explode ships. Even t1 strip miner + barge skills are pretty good isk and I think it takes something like 2 weeks (or less) from start to finish. I admit mining tends not to be too exciting, but it never hurts to have a "fallback" role that you know will earn you money. Do missions that get you LP and standings with "useful" NPC corps. You have to figure out what's useful to you...but I'd start with whoever runs the NPC station your corp uses. If not them (or you already have decent standings with them) any corp that gives R&D agents. It never hurts to have a few of them in your pocket should you ever consider manufacturing. Have a skillplan for flying in Incursions and start training the skills you have now to be good enough for then. As you get isk, buy the needed skills you don't yet have. I'm not ready yet myself, but my impression is that if you have the skills to fly an incursion ship you can be useful in any corp-based PvP action you could imagine. You can get a training plan through the Eve University wikl. They have a minimal skills plan for incursions that should be a good starting point. And while you're feeling frustrated from being blown up and maybe doing a couple "dumb" things...remember to have fun :D. You can always fit out another cheap venture and bootstrap yourself back up to having some isk. I ended up in a position where I was doing Level 4 mining missions in a venture (it paid better at a pure isk/hour rate than mining scordite). It felt like it took forever, but I bought my way back into a fitted Retriever in a couple hours and it was smooth from there.
Tavi Baldocchi Blue Sun Industry The Explicit Alliance 1	Posted - 2013.11.05 16:30:00 - [54] - Quote Dude its called Google every stupid question you have asked you could find on Google. How do you do lvl 4s? Google it. Where are the rookie missions? Google it. You say you aren't looking for a hand out but to me that's bulls hit. There is enough guides and videos about every for you to learn everything you need to know. Defiantly stop spreading out your skills though, pick something to specialize in and train for that.
Dudley Schwartz Magic Hamsters 109	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:25:00 - [55] - Quote It's all about the grind, the majority of us had to do it at some point in our eve careers. Most common ways to grind: GÇó Missions; set a goal so you can attain access to level 4's. Fine tune your mission boat setup for optimal efficiency. Most importantly, salvage/loot your missions; Noctis is best for this. GÇó Mining; either in a group (preferably with orca boosts) or solo. Aim for Hulk/Mack, or if you can't afford that, Retriever/Covetor are still capable of munching away on asteroids. Get stacking that ore ready to be refined into lovely minerals. GÇó Incursions; join an incursion community; shield or armor (your choice). Incursions are the an easy way to rake in ISK and can be a lot of fun, if you're with the right group. The list of things to do to grind ISK goes on.... Most importantly, have fun in the process, whatever you decide to do. It's not all about the ISK after all.
Jarod Garamonde Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 597	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:32:00 - [56] - Quote Malphas Vynneve wrote: Yeah, my main focus in the game is PvP, but i'd rather just train my skills up until i feel like i can jump in it and stand a chance against people who've been training for years. But regardless, i'm still sitting here with all of maybe 2 thousand isk and i won't be buying ** anytime soon. I keep saying i need a way to go from VERY VERY VERY small amounts to at least enough to get a goddamn atron with some motherfucking ** blasters or something. **. I don't do well with patience or frustration. (hell of a game to get into with that kind of tolerance, eh?) but i'm not getting anywhere, so i guess i'm just gonna sit here in the station and talk to people. i'm getting off the forum now. Even though you guys have given some pretty good advice, i'm not getting anywhere but more frustrated. Later guys. Contract me your stuff? Oh, wait......
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 3171	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:34:00 - [57] - Quote A few options: from least attractive to most lucrative. Grind Buy SP Buy ISK Scam That's really what it boils down to. Mr Epeen
Jarod Garamonde Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 597	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:35:00 - [58] - Quote Bal'Ayle wrote: Mara Rinn wrote: Do the Career Advancement missions. They give you millions of ISK and a bunch of ships too! lol sometimes the obvious answer is the one that escapes us all. +1 I suggested it on page 1. Mara suggested it on page 2. You brought it back up on page 3. OP is still raging and acting like his predicament is somehow OUR fault. Not sure if complete idiot, or just former US Army officer..... either way, he should biomass and get an Aion account.
Malphas Vynneve The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:41:00 - [59] - Quote So i had a big post that somehow didn't post. I'll summarize. Gallali, i shouldn't have called you a douche, your advice is awesome. I've started working on other empire's career missions, and looking into LP i didn't realize i had. and i've had issues with doing incursions, as every time i try to join an incursion fleet, they only want my help if i have a BS or BC. Tave, stfu. I don't want to google. I want to talk to people in the forums. In the thread that i made specifically for talking to people so that i don't have to use the robot that is google. now gtfo or something. Dudley, great advice, haha. and what a grind it is. But yeah, my main goal isn't isk, like some players, but i realize that i need it to do the things i want to do. I guess you could say my main goal is helping my corporation/alliance become something big and have larger scale operations. Possibly with the addition of some kind of real security and combat force to go along with our industry. Mr. Epeen, i actually learned most of what i know about who's scamming and who's not by watching your posts, haha. But like i said earlier, i don't want to spend any more money on the game unless i'm forced to buy PLEX for gametime. and i don't like to scam, so that leaves grind.... damn, haha. And Jarod, can you please refrain from being a ******* moron. Just because i'm not acknowledging your ignorant ass with your repetitious, condescending posts doesn't mean i "somehow think it's your fault". I, in no way, indicated that it was anyone's fault, but my own, you presumptuous ass. Now gtfo with your idiocy. Anyway. I've gotten some really good advice here. and like i said, ive been doing the career missions. But unless the answer is that you guys make your isk for plex by doing lots of manufacturing, mining, or trading, or by doing lvl4 and 5 missions, i still am a bit hazy on how you guys make the near 600mil for PLEX each month to extend your game time. which is all i really want. To be able to play the game for free. Otherwise, i might not have the money each month to keep playing. which just sounds dreadful...
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 522	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:45:00 - [60] - Quote Malphas Vynneve wrote: So i had a big post.... No, you still *have* a big post. It's also a bad post. And it's a wall of text with no paragraphs that makes my eyes bleed. So 2 things: 1) Formatting, paragraphs man. 2) Brevity is the soul of wit.

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