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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:23:00 -
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I don't think this one will run out anywhere near as much line as the economics thread did.
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:42:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:
The problem is not the kill, the problem is the risk. Let me explain. I have 2 billion in implants in my head, I'm flying around in Goonsec in a 2 billion isk HAC. Today I had 2.5 billion extra in my hold which I got to high sec. So that's 6.5 billion I'm risking. Today I got a wormhole to high sec to stash the loot in a station. No problems.
However, lets imagine instead I got pinged at a gate by a gank squad of cats. 5 Cats could do it easily in a 0.5
Now I'm risking 6.5 billion and my main and they're risking a couple of disposable alts (and we all know they recycle them) and 2 million isks in ship and fittings. So a crap load of risk for me and literally zero risk for them. Its un-EvE like.
The strong should profit and the weak should not, but the whole thing has turned upside down and the weak scared losers are the ones profiting off the strong. Why? Because we have ****** low skilled ships that cost next to nothing doing HAC damage and no consequences anymore for suiciding.
You own a proteus alt - and the ziona character herself must also be trivially close to flying one, which is largely invulnerable to a small battleship smartbomb trap through ehp, and can covops nullifier itself (ie move to highsec without requiring a wormhole), and it has a covops cloak for transiting highsec, and due to its potential ehp is highly likely to survive an undock gank attempt or even a horribly unlucky highsec decloaking.
IMO this is the very last thing a gallente pilot ought to be moaning about, for Tokyo express missions we have the -best- ship.
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:54:00 -
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Fey Ivory wrote:i wanted to make a thread about this, but i can as well reply to this, i think some should try read and actually understand what OP is saying... Highsec shouldent be idiot safe, thats not what OP is saying, the problem is the corsepondance of what doing crimes in highsec entails, if you do it, you get punished, and the punishment should allways be in such a way that it actually hurts, and not just for those that just have started playing the game, wich points us back to what OP is trying to say... there is no punishment in highsec, if you have the means to cover the looses, for suicide ganks, wich makes the whole idea with, you >should< get punished in highsec if you violate its rules, void  Make a idiot proof system, and someone will invent a better idiot !
The only MMOs that last a player more than a year require item loss (general consumption, not just consumable potions) in order to keep the market functional. The only other way around that is for the developer to start the mudflation themepark treadmill.
ie ships have to die, no matter what sec they are in. We wouldn't have concord if the designers didn't want ganking, we'd have a straitjacket that prevented you firing. it appears the balancing point for the designers is no solo industrial ganking of T2 fitted ships for profit, ie the ganker has to do better than "no research and no cooperation" to profit.
Anyone sitting around for an hour for a failed gank, lost a considerable amount of isk in opportunity cost terms, not counting the shiploss. ie it is considerably more punishing than just losing the ship even when you succeed. |
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Posted - 2013.11.06 06:36:00 -
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[incursus - afk newbie]
[high]
[mid]
[rigs]
[low]
400mm reinforced rolled tungsten plates I
experimental energized adaptive nano membrane I
experimental energized adaptive nano membrane I
experimental energized explosive membrane I
something like 7x the EHP of a velator as supplied to a new character.
Should be beyond a T1 destroyer to kill before the gate guns kill the destroyer (those pilots rarely have perfect application either). That should have enough fitting left over to only need hull 3 to fit, and a newbie could use some lower meta to get it past the wallet (and a true newbie gets given an incursus in missions, and an alt can get given isk for it).
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Posted - 2013.11.13 06:46:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Tilly Delnero wrote:oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:Or just do what the rest of us do.. fit some buffer and ignore them .. since their ganking model isnt sustainable against tanky ships.. costs too much Coming from the person who has, according to their site, already donated a billion to the gankers (therefore making you a ganker by proxy) your vocal claims of opposition to the New Order are laughable at best. To the OP: if you don't use autopilot you likely won't ever get ganked (unless you do something stupid like carry PLEX in a destroyer). Anyone that uses autopilot *deserves* to be ganked and mocked mercilessly; it's a stupid mechanic in a game that allows for nonconsensual PvP. So are timers but they're "necessary". That you can show up in a system to kill a pos but you're not able to until 24hrs later in case they're not online is a lot worse than choosing to autopilot a worthless ship with no cargo.
You either have timers, hitpoint spamming, or object pong.
Unless you have a suggestion that is not one of those hiding under some vague sugar mask, and is better then don't bother derailing your own thread imo.
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Posted - 2013.11.13 09:30:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:
It goes to the heart of the thread. If its okay to be blapping away at someone in high because they're AFK why is not okay in null? No timers is already doable, recruit globally, its a global game. At low pop hours theres low pop so even if you have 30% non peak players they can defend against attacks against the other 30% attacking. Its not like you will have the full force off Goons attacking you in the off hours.
Ziona, your hangers are a structure. If you are happy with me destroying your hanger in jita 4-4 whilst your deadspace loots are on the market and scooping them, then I'm happy that you can headshot a pos whilst I sleep. |
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Posted - 2013.11.16 09:27:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:
People make billions without ever leaving stations. I'm suprise there isn't rage at market traders with people demanding they can force undock them from Jita 4-4.
It might sound odd for you, but if one trader gains billions, it's because somebody else lost those billions. That is, being in a station or in space is irrelevant, actually a trader can lose in a day well beyond the value of a pair of fitted battleships.
The announcement that the LP store would have mining mindlinks probably destroyed someones position. IMO its CCP that is best at burning traders. |
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