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Reet
Astral Sanctuary - 4th Division
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:23:00 -
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I was shocked coming back to Eve after a short break to find exhumers are now worthless due to changes in high sec Security and suicide ganking.
I guess all the whiners that could not hack 0 space pvp, and are to cowardly to hit a hard target, got their way by talking CCP into allowing mass suicide ganking soft targets in high sec, without meaningful consequence.
I've read tons of old forums and heard all the crying about how how care bear miners were destroying the game. What a joke. And what a total joke CCP listened to them. High sec mining added a huge dimension to the game. It allowed a class of players to fund 0 space activities, and help move the 0 space game.
Just because pvp players did not want to invest their time into this kind of game, it does not give them a right to take that away from other players. Which is exactly what has happened. All the cry babies that could not hack 0 space and talked CCP into having the ability to explode mining ships without consequence. Both the kill rights and bounty system suck, and should not even be warranted as a viable game mechanic, and satisfactory balance.
The hypocrisy of these so called pvp'ers is that they want the ability to kill off all the miners in the game and then ***** that 0 space sucks now? You deserve the suck! Your created it. Enjoy the emptiness.
Calling eve a "sandbox" game is lie. CCP has always seeded the marked with non- player generated minerals, which I always objected to. Which debases minders players quality of time. Now CCP just decided to destroy high sec mining all together.
At the very least, CCP should offer mining characters a full skill reset!
Bye! |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
Solar Assault Fleet
698
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:31:00 -
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Reet wrote:I was shocked coming back to Eve after a short break to find exhumers are now worthless due to changes in high sec Security and suicide ganking.
Erh? What?
Reet wrote:
At the very least, CCP should offer mining characters a full skill reset!
Bye!
And just what part of your mining skills have become less valued? |
Galadriel Vasquez
Corp 54
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
169
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:40:00 -
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Can I haz ur stuffs? 
On a serious note - do not biomass or destroy your assets - sleep on it mate. |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
411
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:50:00 -
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Won't somebody think of the miners! |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
273
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:08:00 -
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hisec mining is fine actually. Fit skiffs, which are still exhumers, and never get ganked. Or pick your lazy ass up and move more than 6 jumps away from a trade hub and you can find plenty of space where gankers won't bother you. And if you pay attention, you can find fairly high value ores as well.
You complained about minerals from non-mining sources. You'll be pleased to hear that CCP has heavily nerfed gun-mining in the last few years. Both by reducing the drops of meta0 modules from level 4 missions, and by replacing drone poop with bounties. |
Reet
Astral Sanctuary - 4th Division
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:26:00 -
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I don't mine for minerals while afk so the skiffs do not benefit me that much ... Id rather mine larger volumes during a shorter game session ...
Judging from some of the comments I've seen, many players do not understand the manufacture side of the game. And that side of the game starts with mining, but there is much more. So if you destroy the miners ability to mine, via suicide ganking, there is no way to build stuff and all the mining and manufacture skills become worthless.
I need large volumes of minerals because I'm a manufacture toon... skiffs are too slow to really progress in the game, with my play style...
If Eve were really a sandbox, when all the pvp players destroy all the miners, there would be no more ships, and the prices would go through the roof. NPC seeding destroys this aspect of the game.
If the pvpers were faced with a real sandbox situation, someone would make sure there was a supply of minerals. No need to worry though, the "CCP bots" will seed the market after all the Mining toons flee the game ...
SO to me EVE is all about catering to the sub-par pvpers, that can't hack low sec space pvp ....
I won't biomass my stuff, but I am CANCELLED. I'll check back in a year or so to see if CCP sees the light.
By then, a better game than eve should be released...
Enjoy!
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
2212
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:50:00 -
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I've personally found that the main problems are:
* Pilots that are AFK.
* Pilots that don't accept responsibility for their choices and actions. [This includes accepting losses.]
* Pilots that want the sandbox to adapt to them, rather than adapt themselves.
So if you are bored or unhappy in EVE, it is your own fault.
I still mine when in the mood. Still using my first Hulk I bought over 4 years ago. I don't mine in high traffic systems (= more people in local than belts), and if I do, I fully expect a gank attempt and accept any loss for making that choice.
Oh and:
Forum Rules wrote:32. "Quitting" posts are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience channel.
CCP recognize that during the course of gameplay a lot of friendships are made between players and that sometimes if a player is taking a break or departing from the EVE universe that they would like to say goodbye on the forums. Posts of this nature are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience forum, and must be civil and well worded. |
Reet
Astral Sanctuary - 4th Division
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:02:00 -
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There is no "sandbox" in EVE. Whoever started that rumor is a liar.
If you mine every now and then, then you are not a manufacture toon and do not have a stake in the game I'm talking about, and not qualified to comment on "mining balance".
I specifically said I don't like to mine afk.
ITs not my fault I'm unhappy with Eve. It used to be a fun game. The game has changed, not me. See Patch notes.
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Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
326
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:07:00 -
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Reet
Judging from some of the comments I've seen, many players do not understand the manufacture side of the game.
do not understand the manufacture side of the game.....
[i wrote:do not understand the manufacture side of the game[/i]
Cap ship manufacturing 5, exhumer 5, gas mining 5(cuz **** it) productivity efficiency 5...... The list goes on
quit being bad. Wont miss ya if you dont come back. till then im going to be making more bank with another "indi guy" gone. |
Reet
Astral Sanctuary - 4th Division
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:23:00 -
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If you want me to reply, your comment has to make sense ...
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Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
326
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:29:00 -
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Reet wrote:If you want me to reply, your comment has to make sense ...
I know industry. I love industry. Your OP, Garbage. No one will miss you. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
276
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:44:00 -
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Reet wrote:I don't mine for minerals while afk so the skiffs do not benefit me that much ... Id rather mine larger volumes during a shorter game session ...
Judging from some of the comments I've seen, many players do not understand the manufacture side of the game. And that side of the game starts with mining, but there is much more. So if you destroy the miners ability to mine, via suicide ganking, there is no way to build stuff and all the mining and manufacture skills become worthless.
I need large volumes of minerals because I'm a manufacture toon... skiffs are too slow to really progress in the game, with my play style...
Skiffs are for resisting ganks, not being afk. Ganking seems to be your big issue. Many people have already told you its possible to mine with hulks in hisec.
If you only want to manufacture using minerals you've mined, then you're the one who doesn't understand manufacturing.
The notion that all mining will cease and the economy will collapse is absurd.
You should probably biomass yourself. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
2214
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:59:00 -
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Reet wrote:If you mine every now and then, then you are not a manufacture toon and do not have a stake in the game I'm talking about, and not qualified to comment on "mining balance".
I own 6 Charon freighters because every week i buy the materials I use for manufacturing, because it would be impossible for me to mine that much myself.
Seriously, don't call me out for not being a manufacturer. You are so far from wrong it is comical. |
Reet
Astral Sanctuary - 4th Division
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Posted - 2013.11.06 00:52:00 -
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Again you don't Mine so your not qualified for meaningful comment on mining ...
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
2809
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Posted - 2013.11.06 01:07:00 -
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The Op's real post:
He got a free 30 day trial after being away from the game since March, 2012 (mining barge rebalance). He tried to earn enough isk to pay for a GTC and was ganked because he didn't buy a mining permit.
The truth is, before the changes it would have been easier to gank him, but that's neither here nor there because the only tank he fit was a small shield booster II.
The truth is, gun mining is diminished. Drone Poo is gone. Mining vessels were generally buffed, and highsec does not mean risk free.
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Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
414
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Posted - 2013.11.06 02:59:00 -
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Reet wrote: The game has changed, not me.
See this is the root of your attitude/problem.
Most simply put, adapt or die. You have chosen the latter.
Don't let the door hit you in the posterior as your posts have shown how much it already hurts.
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Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
414
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Posted - 2013.11.06 03:01:00 -
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Reet wrote:Again you don't Mine so your not qualified for meaningful comment on mining ...
Tau is a true manufacturer, you are not.
He realized a long time ago, mining is for plebs... like you. |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
245
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Posted - 2013.11.06 07:05:00 -
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funny, with the latest changes to exhumers they are better then ever. i havent lost a hulk in.. hmm.. 3 years? or so.. just fit them properly.. a small booster is not properly.. and you are fine.
but hey dont take responsibility for your own mistakes. and if you honestly think that you can mine what you need then you are not a manufacturer.. but of course you will then say.. you are a miner.. well plenty of us mine (and gank miners).. it is a far better time now to be a miner then a few years ago.
dont let the door hit you on the ass. |
Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
120
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Posted - 2013.11.06 07:34:00 -
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You are aware that the yield difference between an Procurer and a Covetor is a mere 15%? Less if you take into account, that a Procurer can easily use Mining Drones as its not bothered by NPCs.
You should read the Barge changes again. Really you should... |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
68159
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:14:00 -
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It sounds like you'd be happier with any other game. Any other game at all.
Good riddance to you if you are so mal-informed that you actually believe that Hulks got a nerf. Incredible.
Also, Quit Posts are only allowed in OOPE. Most indeed. So, there's that too........ |
Caelestina
Chill Cabal
Northern Associates.
3
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:08:00 -
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Since no one else asked yet...
May I have your stuff?  |
Elmore Jones
The Scope
Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.11.06 16:23:00 -
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You said goodbye... then didn't go? Rubbish troll. Move along. |
Athena Maldoran
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
2460
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Posted - 2013.11.06 18:56:00 -
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Don't worry, i just saw his kb, and he have been ganked.. So move along, nothing to see here ^^ |
Sheri Angela
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 05:06:00 -
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Don't get the comment about CCP seeding the market with minerals. Where is your proof? If you can prove it then you might have a case otherwise most of your concerns don't add up. Hulk and Covetor are fleet miners now as it always should have been and best used in controlled space. The Mackanaw and retriever are utility with a little more tank, space, and bust and application solo or fleet. The skiff and procurers are for easy mode. The changes follow CCPs general formula of risk versus reward which rewards players who work together as teams. It is also inline with their goal to reduce the amount of ISK being earned from 'afk' activities. |
Sanguinius Altarion
Ascon Research
2
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Posted - 2013.11.07 08:26:00 -
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CCP doesn't need to seed minerals for they are already overproduced. That is one of the reasons why mining isn't the most profitable activity in EVE.(At least in High and low sec) |
Czeris
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2013.11.07 10:22:00 -
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You have reached Troll Level 6. Congratulations.
Nice Typhoon fit, 10 year old bearer of wisdom:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15199439 |
Galadriel Vasquez
Corp 54
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
170
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Posted - 2013.11.07 11:43:00 -
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Soooo Active... Passive... erm... hang on my eyes fell out..... ahhh yes... oh my god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Talemecus Valta
Freemasons Corporation
144
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Posted - 2013.11.07 11:51:00 -
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So sorry to hear your leaving.
Have a good time in your next MMORPG.
Buh Bye now!
o/
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1650
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Posted - 2013.11.07 13:31:00 -
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Reet wrote:I don't mine for minerals while afk so the skiffs do not benefit me that much ... Id rather mine larger volumes during a shorter game session ...
Judging from some of the comments I've seen, many players do not understand the manufacture side of the game. And that side of the game starts with mining, but there is much more. So if you destroy the miners ability to mine, via suicide ganking, there is no way to build stuff and all the mining and manufacture skills become worthless.
I need large volumes of minerals because I'm a manufacture toon... skiffs are too slow to really progress in the game, with my play style...
If Eve were really a sandbox, when all the pvp players destroy all the miners, there would be no more ships, and the prices would go through the roof. NPC seeding destroys this aspect of the game.
If the pvpers were faced with a real sandbox situation, someone would make sure there was a supply of minerals. No need to worry though, the "CCP bots" will seed the market after all the Mining toons flee the game ...
SO to me EVE is all about catering to the sub-par pvpers, that can't hack low sec space pvp ....
I won't biomass my stuff, but I am CANCELLED. I'll check back in a year or so to see if CCP sees the light. I mine.
A couple of things:
First, ganking happens. You need to learn to avoid it and/or live with it. Yes this is a shameless blog plug but read here, and you'll see how I deal with ganking: http://indecisivenoob.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/alternative-approach-yield-tank.html
Secondly, if you are a manufacturer, most of your minerals should be coming from purchases. I have an 8 char mining fleet, and if I spent all day mining, I'd barely have an hours worth of manufacturing minerals.
Honestly, I half want you to quit, since being an industrialist you are competition, but I half don't want you to, because that's letting gankers win. Choice is yours at the end of the day though.
P.S.
I'll happily look after your stuff while you are away, so it doesn't go to waste :p |
Hexion Deteis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:31:00 -
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Best to pick up your toys and go home. Mum is calling. Let the bigger boys and girls play now. Its nap time for you. |
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