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Dimitri Chandler	Posted - 2006.02.11 05:12:00 - [1] Edited by: Dimitri Chandler on 11/02/2006 05:15:20 I heard a slight clicking noise from my processor fan i think last night when running 2 eve clients after having had my pc on for about 12 hours straight. I looked at my front panel and noticed that the CPU temp was 105 degrees f. Switched the PC off as i thought this looked a tad high. The fan and heatsink and stuff are all relatively new and I have a PC case that is supposed to be designed for cooling efficiency. Havent noticed it go as high as this before - is a temp this high something to be worried about? I heard if you went above 100 it can cause problems. system is : Gigabyte K8 series mobo AMD Sempron 3000+ Geforce 6800gt 1gig Ram 2 ide, 1 sata HD -------------------------------------------------- LOSE CHUCK
Tekka	Posted - 2006.02.11 05:19:00 - [2] Put water in it »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Slink Grinsdikild	Posted - 2006.02.11 05:49:00 - [3] 105 doesn't sound extremely high to me. You won't actually be in danger of wearing anything out until you hit 140-160 f. If you go above 130 I suggest checking your heatsink, cooling paste and make sure its sealed on properly to conduct the heat away from it. Another thing I see a lot is people who buy a PC in a designer case which looks all pretty, only to find it has crap airflow and it blows hot air back into the system.. that can make a big difference in tempature. .___. {-,-} /)__) -"-"- Inactive as of 11-02-06. Still Whorum Foring though.
Saeris Tal'Urduar	Posted - 2006.02.11 05:51:00 - [4] Okay I dont want to tell you anything to ruin your MB or CPU. BUt right now with just EVE-O running on my PC, MB temp 104F CPU temp 95F When I run 2 instances of EVE is about. MB 108F CPU 105F So I'd say your okay. My alarm goes off at 176F for CPU and 165F for mobo..
Dimitri Chandler	Posted - 2006.02.11 05:51:00 - [5] nm just realised the people who go on about it mean centigrade rather than fahrenheit. Apologies for my pc temp nubbishnesh. -------------------------------------------------- LOSE CHUCK
Saeris Tal'Urduar	Posted - 2006.02.11 05:54:00 - [6] Originally by: Dimitri Chandler nm just realised the people who go on about it mean centigrade rather than fahrenheit. Apologies for my pc temp nubbishnesh. That was odd... Here if it makes you feel better, I'll drink this beer to you. Toast Dimitri.
Xelios	Posted - 2006.02.11 06:36:00 - [7] On most machines the temp guage on the front of the case is for the temperature inside the case, not the cpu itself. I doubt that cpu was running on load for 12 hours with only a 105 f degree temp, it was more likely around 125 f. But even 125 f isn't a terribly high temp for an AMD, especially on load. I'd only start to get really worried if the cpu temp hits 150f+. Motherboard Monitor 5 is a good program for keeping tabs on CPU temp, case temp and fan speeds. Signature removed. -Zhuge ([email protected]) Woot.
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2006.02.11 12:46:00 - [8] hehe, mine sits sweetly at about 50-60F, with 2 clients running and a few other things when its idling i get about 20-30F ---- Join Us Corp Websites\|My Gallery - Imaran
MaxPower	Posted - 2006.02.11 14:25:00 - [9] I think its about 80 celsius that your meant to get worried. Finally found a use for the convertor on my phone!! Thats 176 fahrenheit Me like PIE!!!1 -Capsicum Pie ist gut ja? - Imaran
Grimwalius d'Antan	Posted - 2006.02.11 14:49:00 - [10] It is an AMD. It is supposed to be warmer than Intel processors. 105f is nothing (40c), it is actually perfect in my opinion.
Adoran Wa'alle	Posted - 2006.02.11 14:56:00 - [11] How do I check my CPU temp? I'm getting BSOD's when my comp has been on for a long time, combined with playing EVE. Think it might be too high (It used to just restart, but I don't have that "emergency shutdown" thingy on anymore) ------------------------------------- Please violate this sig. I feel like an outsider
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.11 15:16:00 - [12] 100F is VERY low. That's hardly 38 degrees Celcius. With AMD, you have a problem if you go over 60 Celcius. 70-80 Celcius is really the danger zone. With Intel, up to 70C is reasonable. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron POKEMON -eris Jacques was 'ere
Dimitri Chandler	Posted - 2006.02.11 19:46:00 - [13] yeah, as I posted, i kinda read the wrong temp / thought it was Centigrade etc etc. In other words I 'kinda goofed' as you Yanks would say. It was very early when I originally posted and I had had no coffee. -------------------------------------------------- LOSE CHUCK
Turia	Posted - 2006.02.11 23:52:00 - [14] I have one of these. It keeps my shiny Opteron at 32C under a full load. Quietly, too, I might add. Combined with one of those new-fangled power supplies with the really huge fans, my computer is pretty much silent as far as computers go. In a previous life, my computer ran an Athlon XP1800+ at ~50C for.. well, ever, with no issues whatsoever. You really don't need to worry unless you start hitting 60+ C. Any decent motherboard will have an option to cut power if the temperature of the processor breaches a certain point.. If you use that, you shouldn't have to worry about damage from a bad/failed cooling system.
F'nog	Posted - 2006.02.12 00:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Lord Aradon hehe, mine sits sweetly at about 50-60F, with 2 clients running and a few other things when its idling i get about 20-30F I think you mean C, as 20-30F is below freezing. The mods don't have the cajones to touch my sig. Oh look, a pretty little sig - Ductoris No, sorry they got lost at the last bullfight - Jacques
Black Reaper	Posted - 2006.02.12 08:09:00 - [16] Depends on how it's being cooled. and the chip will run at those temps. Originally by: Ikvar If CCP increase the power to the linerar flux stabilisers, they may just be able to create a subatomic quantum loopback in the graviton phase drive, causing the server to stablilse!
GlimmerMan	Posted - 2006.02.12 10:17:00 - [17] My FX 55 under full load runs fine near the limit which is 70 degrees C. I don't see it go anywhere near there at this time of year, but at the height of summer it can peak at 65 degrees C with the Northbridge up around 55 degrees C. Your load temperature of 40 degrees C / 105 degrees F is fine! - It's lower than my idle CPU temperature of around 45-50 degrees C. Blowing s**t up since May 2003
MaxPower	Posted - 2006.02.12 14:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Adoran Wa'alle How do I check my CPU temp? I'm getting BSOD's when my comp has been on for a long time, combined with playing EVE. Think it might be too high (It used to just restart, but I don't have that "emergency shutdown" thingy on anymore) Pour water on it. if you get steam its WAY too hot. Im joking by the way...Erm..just incase someone tries it... Me like PIE!!!1 -Capsicum Pie ist gut ja? - Imaran
TekRa	Posted - 2006.02.12 15:29:00 - [19] Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Lord Aradon hehe, mine sits sweetly at about 50-60F, with 2 clients running and a few other things when its idling i get about 20-30F I think you mean C, as 20-30F is below freezing. wow -6 Celsius is really cold. _____________________________________ The zenith of hypocrisy.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.12 15:50:00 - [20] Originally by: TekRa Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Lord Aradon hehe, mine sits sweetly at about 50-60F, with 2 clients running and a few other things when its idling i get about 20-30F I think you mean C, as 20-30F is below freezing. wow -6 Celsius is really cold. No, -150 Celcius is really cold. And you can get there with a multi-stage phase change cooler or, much more easily, liquid nitrogen -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron POKEMON -eris Jacques was 'ere Capsicum still is
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2006.02.12 21:35:00 - [21] Edited by: Lord Aradon on 12/02/2006 21:36:21 Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Lord Aradon hehe, mine sits sweetly at about 50-60F, with 2 clients running and a few other things when its idling i get about 20-30F I think you mean C, as 20-30F is below freezing. No i mean 30F, IDLING, i.e, doing NOTHING. Effecient fans and modified watercooling FTW ---- Join Us Corp Websites\|My Gallery - Imaran
Lady Ariness	Posted - 2006.02.12 22:54:00 - [22] Mine hit 92 C once - I've had to underclock it from 3 Ghz to 1.5Ghz and now it runs at 60 degrees - just about safe
F'nog	Posted - 2006.02.12 23:56:00 - [23] Originally by: Lord Aradon Edited by: Lord Aradon on 12/02/2006 21:36:21 Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Lord Aradon hehe, mine sits sweetly at about 50-60F, with 2 clients running and a few other things when its idling i get about 20-30F I think you mean C, as 20-30F is below freezing. No i mean 30F, IDLING, i.e, doing NOTHING. Effecient fans and modified watercooling FTW I stand corrected. What are you using in the cooling system? The mods don't have the cajones to touch my sig. Oh look, a pretty little sig - Ductoris No, sorry they got lost at the last bullfight - Jacques
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.13 00:43:00 - [24] Originally by: Lord Aradon Edited by: Lord Aradon on 12/02/2006 21:36:21 Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Lord Aradon hehe, mine sits sweetly at about 50-60F, with 2 clients running and a few other things when its idling i get about 20-30F I think you mean C, as 20-30F is below freezing. No i mean 30F, IDLING, i.e, doing NOTHING. Effecient fans and modified watercooling FTW Wait a minute. Water freezes at 30F. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron POKEMON -eris Jacques was 'ere Capsicum still is
Da Death	Posted - 2006.02.13 03:57:00 - [25] Edited by: Da Death on 13/02/2006 04:03:11 I use the P4-3Ghz Verion with 1GB Ram and a Geforce 6800 GT. With cpu-fan and normal case it soared at 55-60C. My problem was also that I use 4 HDD's which produce a lot of heat (on the pic u see only 2) and the Geforce 6800GT which helps to heat the room. I decided to change my PC to that: Pic1 Pic2 Pic3 Pic4 Pic5 Pic6 I use a ZAHLMAN RESERVATOR for about 2 years already without problems. No leak, pump working strong and CPU allways at about 42-45C. Keep in mind that I live in a country where the temperature is about 30-32C. You may get better result in your country Another important factor is the case. You should use an ALUMINIUM case becasue it will adjust its temperature to its enviroment -unlike iron/plastic/etc cases. In my picture you can see that the HDD's are seperated from the mainboard and are cooled separate by a big but slow rotating fan. Also The power supply is separated. The heat of both will never bother the cpu/grfx card. I can run 3 Eve-clients simultanously (how u write that again? :P) and CPU get max 49-52C after an hour or so. If I use 3 client I run 2 clients at 1024x768 and 1 client at 1280x1024. About CPU Thermal Management: Here the official link Last but not least: My system is very quiet and I do not wakeup neightbours when I turn it on Good Luck! DD Absolution+Curse Valentine Pack for 380m! Gank with Love!
F'nog	Posted - 2006.02.13 05:52:00 - [26] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Lord Aradon Edited by: Lord Aradon on 12/02/2006 21:36:21 Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Lord Aradon hehe, mine sits sweetly at about 50-60F, with 2 clients running and a few other things when its idling i get about 20-30F I think you mean C, as 20-30F is below freezing. No i mean 30F, IDLING, i.e, doing NOTHING. Effecient fans and modified watercooling FTW Wait a minute. Water freezes at 30F. Actually, it's 32F, but I'll forgive you since you're European and use a much more logical system. But note the "modified" part of his comment. The mods don't have the cajones to touch my sig. Oh look, a pretty little sig - Ductoris No, sorry they got lost at the last bullfight - Jacques
Arcticblue2	Posted - 2006.02.13 09:21:00 - [27] Well playing a different game (F.E.A.R.) or just the demo of it before it came out, my machines alarm went ballistic hehe and I think it is on default 75 degree celcius so I just had to disable the alarm so I could continue to play !!! LOL Okey my machine I have built myself and in the beginning due to noobishness when it come to build it, I had put the CPU Fan wrong way... it was one of these where not completly flat under it, so there was not good contact between the fan and CPU... often had temperatures over 80 degree Celcius Now when I know better, it is more healthy around 50 when I play games. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2006.02.13 11:13:00 - [28] Yes Dark Shikari i was top of my class for chemistry and i am fully aware of the freezing point of "water". However running through my tubes aint water Its an interesting little concoction i mixed up, its more like oil than anything but it aint water, although it is used in my "water" cooling system, maybe i should re-phrase what it is then, its liquid cooling system jeez, specifics 4TL on these forums ---- Join Us Corp Websites\|My Gallery - Imaran
Krathe	Posted - 2006.02.13 15:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Lord Aradon Edited by: Lord Aradon on 13/02/2006 12:08:33 Yes Dark Shikari i was top of my class for chemistry and i am fully aware of the freezing point of "water". However running through my tubes aint water Its an interesting little concoction i mixed up, its more like oil than anything but it aint water, although it is used in my "water" cooling system, maybe i should re-phrase what it is then, its liquid cooling system jeez, specifics 4TL on these forums , oh and on specifics, its 34F so just above freezing sorry for misleading you all Ok, you claim to have modified w/c with your "concoction". Does you have anything ACTIVELY cooling the water (not in respect to fans)? Sub ambient temperatures (I'm assuming you don't live in Alaska or something silly) are IMPOSSIBLE without some form of active cooling (TECs, water chiller, phase change etc), or ultra cool compounds (liquid nitrogen, dry ice). On straight water, or air, sub ambient is impossible. The pictures Wrangler didn't want you to see!
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2006.02.13 16:22:00 - [30] Edited by: Lord Aradon on 13/02/2006 16:28:25 no mate i just have very good fan system in place that keeps the air inside VERY cool, fridge-like. And i told you, theres no H2O in my system The liquid im using is solid at -60C or so, its a mixture of various chemicals that stays cold by default based on the nature of the reaction. ---- Join Us Corp Websites\|My Gallery - Imaran
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.13 16:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Lord Aradon no mate i just have very good fan system in place that keeps the air inside VERY cool, fridge-like. The liquid im using is solid at -60C or so, its a mixture of various chemicals that stays cold by default based on the nature of the reaction. Wait a minute here. How do you cool something below room temperature using only fans? No matter how fast you blow the air you won't cool below the temperature of the room. If you're that cool, you obviously have some sort of TEC or the like. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron POKEMON -eris Jacques was 'ere Capsicum still is \| Jorauk was, but got hungry and left
Krathe	Posted - 2006.02.13 16:28:00 - [32] Originally by: Lord Aradon no mate i just have very good fan system in place that keeps the air inside VERY cool, fridge-like. Fans DO NOT cool ambient air. They simply move cooler air (ambient temperature) over hotter components (be it a radiator, or a heatsink), which disepates (sp?) the heat. There is no way for a fan alone to chill air. The pictures Wrangler didn't want you to see!
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2006.02.13 16:31:00 - [33] Edited by: Lord Aradon on 13/02/2006 16:33:28 Christ how many times, they are chemicals in my tubes, NOT ******* WATER. and when i open my case, which is has aluminium fins all around it btw, another thing which helps to disipate heat, the inside is cool. ---- Join Us Corp Websites\|My Gallery - Imaran
Krathe	Posted - 2006.02.13 16:39:00 - [34] Edited by: Krathe on 13/02/2006 16:39:39 Originally by: Lord Aradon Edited by: Lord Aradon on 13/02/2006 16:33:28 Christ how many times, they are chemicals in my tubes, NOT ******* WATER. and when i open my case, which is has aluminium fins all around it btw, another thing which helps to disipate heat, the inside is cool. I have no question that maybe you can chemicals that cool your liquid below ambient (maybe you should market it?). How do you deal with condensation? That's gotta be a royal pain. But on the aluminium fins side of it, it's simply not possible that they will cool something below ambient. It's just not physically possible. To get back on topic though, I've seen A64s run fine up to 70C (that's my personal threshhold, if I get up to about 65 I stop OCing). Currently running at about 55C load with a 3200+ @ 2.3Ghz. Your temperatures are nothing to worry about, infact they're really quite good. The pictures Wrangler didn't want you to see!
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2006.02.13 16:41:00 - [35] Edited by: Lord Aradon on 13/02/2006 16:43:43 Oh god, i didnt say the fans keep the air below ambient, i merely said the air inside my case was damn cold and no what i use shouldnt be market coz its hard to get a stable batch, as are most chemicals when mixed, put it this way i used to tell the lab technicians how to do things in school But i know what your saying about the ambience, but think of it like this, put your hand in front of an air-con unit when its on, even at 15c its bloody cold, open my case and the air is similar ---- Join Us Corp Websites\|My Gallery - Imaran
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.13 16:45:00 - [36] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/02/2006 16:45:16 Originally by: Lord Aradon Edited by: Lord Aradon on 13/02/2006 16:33:28 Christ how many times, they are chemicals in my tubes, NOT ******* WATER. and when i open my case, which is has aluminium fins all around it btw, another thing which helps to disipate heat, the inside is cool. No "chemical" can keep itself cooler than the ambient air without an input of energy. This is simple entropy: if you place a hot coffee mug next to a cold cup of milk, they'll both end up being room temperature. You're describing your computer becoming colder than the outside air: the is as impossible as the milk cooling down and the coffee warming up. Aluminum fins would actually make your computer warm up to room temperature faster, as they would dissipate the heat of the room into the computer. Either you're lying, or you have a TEC or an A/C unit/refrigerator. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron POKEMON -eris Jacques was 'ere Capsicum still is \| Jorauk was, but got hungry and left
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2006.02.13 16:47:00 - [37] Fool, liquid nitrogen needs no input of energy to stay at the tempurature it does. ---- Join Us Corp Websites\|My Gallery - Imaran
Krathe	Posted - 2006.02.13 16:48:00 - [38] Originally by: Lord Aradon Edited by: Lord Aradon on 13/02/2006 16:43:43 But i know what your saying about the ambience, but think of it like this, put your hand in front of an air-con unit when its on, even at 15c its bloody cold, open my case and the air is similar That'll be because an AC unit uses energy to chill the air. The pictures Wrangler didn't want you to see!
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2006.02.13 16:53:00 - [39] Edited by: Lord Aradon on 13/02/2006 16:58:09 Originally by: Krathe Originally by: Lord Aradon Edited by: Lord Aradon on 13/02/2006 16:43:43 But i know what your saying about the ambience, but think of it like this, put your hand in front of an air-con unit when its on, even at 15c its bloody cold, open my case and the air is similar That'll be because an AC unit uses energy to chill the air. I know but fans can make something feel cool, the air moving around the case feels cool, end of story, it isnt cool tho, if i turn the fans off the air in the case is normal. Jesus, just stick some antifreeze into a bottle of water and put it in your freezer, it wont freeze, and youve got the same principal as what i have now back off or get someone with a PHD to prove me wrong FFS ---- Join Us Corp Websites\|My Gallery - Imaran
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.13 17:06:00 - [40] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/02/2006 17:06:37 Originally by: Lord Aradon Fool, liquid nitrogen needs no input of energy to stay at the tempurature it does. Not true. When you use liquid nitrogen, it STARTS cool, and warms up over time. Its not any different than any other liquid. Originally by: Lord Aradon and in a later post i said my cpu reports temps of 34F IDLE. Now then the liquid in my pipes stays at sub zero temperatures because of the nature of the reaction, it is a perpetual reaction which enables it to stay cold. Welcome to the real world. The real world doesn't have perpetual reactions that "allow things to stay cold". I've never met anyone who uses any sort of exotic cooling and yet doesn't understand how it works. Its most likely that you don't actually have any of this and are simply making it up, because nobody intelligent enough to set up such a system would be dumb enough to not understand middle school science. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron POKEMON -eris Jacques was 'ere Capsicum still is \| Jorauk was, but got hungry and left
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2006.02.13 17:08:00 - [41] Originally by: Dark Shikari Welcome to the real world. The real world doesn't have perpetual reactions that "allow things to stay cold". if you say so. i also use a catalyst BTW, sits in the reservoir that i need to replace periodically. Like i said, get a PHD to prove me wrong and ill shut up. In the mean-time, leave me alone. ---- Join Us Corp Websites\|My Gallery - Imaran
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.13 17:10:00 - [42] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/02/2006 17:11:40 Originally by: Lord Aradon Originally by: Dark Shikari Welcome to the real world. The real world doesn't have perpetual reactions that "allow things to stay cold". if you say so. i also use a catalyst BTW, sits in the reservoir that i need to replace periodically. Like i said, get a PHD to prove me wrong and ill shut up. In the mean-time, leave me alone. You cannot cool a system without the input of energy. Second law of thermodynamics. There, you've been disproved. If your system is so great, why don't you tell us exactly how it works, rather than making it a "secret"? -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron POKEMON -eris Jacques was 'ere Capsicum still is \| Jorauk was, but got hungry and left
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2006.02.13 17:24:00 - [43] the catalyst provides your "energy" and no i wont tell you, as youve been so mean to me pulls out tongue ---- Join Us Corp Websites\|My Gallery - Imaran
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.13 17:29:00 - [44] Originally by: Lord Aradon the catalyst provides your "energy" and no i wont tell you, as youve been so mean to me pulls out tongue By definition, a catalyst cannot provide energy, because a catalyst is what is not used up in a reaction. Unless you change the catalyst every few minutes, its not providing any energy. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron POKEMON -eris Jacques was 'ere Capsicum still is \| Jorauk was, but got hungry and left
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2006.02.13 17:30:00 - [45] wrong Quote: A chemical substance that increases the rate of a reaction without being consumed; after the reaction it can potentially be recovered from the reaction mixture chemically unchanged now drop it ---- Join Us Corp Websites\|My Gallery - Imaran
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.13 17:31:00 - [46] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/02/2006 17:31:55 Originally by: Lord Aradon wrong Quote: A chemical substance that increases the rate of a reaction without being consumed; after the reaction it can potentially be recovered from the reaction mixture chemically unchanged now drop it Wrong. Catalysts enable reactions to occur much faster or at lower temperatures because of changes that they induce in the reactants. Catalysts provide an alternative pathway of lower activation energy, for a reaction to proceed whilst remaining chemically unchanged themselves. This can be observed on a Boltzmann distribution and energy profile diagram. This means that catalysts reduce the amount of energy needed to start a chemical reaction. Molecules that would not have had the energy to react or that have such low energies that they probably would have taken a long time to react are able to react in the presence of a catalyst. Thus, more molecules that need to gain less energy to react will go through the chemical reaction. Catalysts cannot make energetically unfavorable reactions possible ù they have no effect on the chemical equilibrium of a reaction because the rate of both the forward and the reverse reaction are equally affected. Catalysts lower the activation energy of a reaction--they do not in and of themselves provide any energy. Come on, I'm majoring in physics here. Don't expect to be able to fool me with stuff you pulled out of your arse. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron POKEMON -eris Jacques was 'ere Capsicum still is \| Jorauk was, but got hungry and left
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2006.02.13 17:33:00 - [47] Edited by: Lord Aradon on 13/02/2006 17:34:17 FFS, i told you to drop it so why dont we? ohhhh majoring in physics, your chufty badge is in the post, i did chemistry big deal, get over the fact you will never prove me wrong and get back with the programme already. ---- Join Us Corp Websites\|My Gallery - Imaran
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.13 17:34:00 - [48] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/02/2006 17:34:27 Originally by: Lord Aradon FFS, i told you to drop it so why dont we? I'll drop it when you explain exactly how your mystery setup works, so we can resolve the confusion . You can link to it if you want. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron POKEMON -eris Jacques was 'ere Capsicum still is \| Jorauk was, but got hungry and left
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2006.02.13 17:37:00 - [49] no. discussion over. ---- Join Us Corp Websites\|My Gallery - Imaran
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.13 17:38:00 - [50] Originally by: Lord Aradon no. discussion over. I see you've made a stealthy retreat -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron POKEMON -eris Jacques was 'ere Capsicum still is \| Jorauk was, but got hungry and left
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2006.02.13 17:46:00 - [51] Edited by: Lord Aradon on 13/02/2006 17:58:49 i see your like my grandad, always has to have the last word and, always has to be right cantankerous i believe is the word im looking for PS, i mailed them too ---- Join Us Corp Websites\|My Gallery - Imaran
Daigon	Posted - 2006.02.13 18:04:00 - [52] This thread has run its course. Please keep discussion respectful in the future. I'm glad to see the OP has had his problem resolved it seems. clickety-click forum rules \| [email protected]

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