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Beckett Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:30:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:
Sorry but I don't believe you. If you had 3 ECCM on you would have a 90ish sensor strength. Even if the Blackbird had every mid filled with Radar jammer's the odds of jamming you are less than 50%. Its likely that he had 1 of each and perhaps a multispec which puts his jamming chance against you at 15%. Unless you died in 2 seconds its very unlikely you were permajammed the whole fight. Its statistically bullcrap.
You are right there was a moment of about 6 seconds where I was not jammed between two cycles.
The fight was not very long.
Not really useful information. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
753
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:36:00 -
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Beckett Firesnake wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
Sorry but I don't believe you. If you had 3 ECCM on you would have a 90ish sensor strength. Even if the Blackbird had every mid filled with Radar jammer's the odds of jamming you are less than 50%. Its likely that he had 1 of each and perhaps a multispec which puts his jamming chance against you at 15%. Unless you died in 2 seconds its very unlikely you were permajammed the whole fight. Its statistically bullcrap.
You are right there was a moment of about 6 seconds where I was not jammed between two cycles. The fight was not very long. Not really useful information.
So basically he got one or two jams on you while you were being ganked and you think it wasn't fair?? Fair enough. Must remember though, jamming is the role of the Blackbird and it doesn't even do it very well anymore so I can't see the problem. |
Beckett Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:48:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Beckett Firesnake wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
Sorry but I don't believe you. If you had 3 ECCM on you would have a 90ish sensor strength. Even if the Blackbird had every mid filled with Radar jammer's the odds of jamming you are less than 50%. Its likely that he had 1 of each and perhaps a multispec which puts his jamming chance against you at 15%. Unless you died in 2 seconds its very unlikely you were permajammed the whole fight. Its statistically bullcrap.
You are right there was a moment of about 6 seconds where I was not jammed between two cycles. The fight was not very long. Not really useful information. So basically he got one or two jams on you while you were being ganked and you think it wasn't fair?? Fair enough. Must remember though, jamming is the role of the Blackbird and it doesn't even do it very well anymore so I can't see the problem.
Of course he had all of his ECM on me during this fight.
After verification the fight began @ 17.08.12
The whole fleet was on me @17.08.38
I had the oportunity to target @ 17.09.39 and failed to finish the targeting.
Then I lost the ship @17.10.45
Not so short fight in fact....
And yes I hoped that 80 of sensor would prevent me to be permajammed |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
452
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Posted - 2013.11.09 13:25:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:Because they give the ILLUSION of a chance. It's entirely psychological. Damps also can't be two-boxed on an alt with two button clicks, then completely ignored. If you're damped and go for the damping ship, they actually have to switch back over and do some piloting on it to avoid losing it, with a Falcon it's totally unnecessary.
As a damp and an ECM pilot I assure you, damp is far more fire and forget and much more dangerous.
People constantly believe it matters because 'you can get closer' as if the damp boat is not moving. Sure, you can chase them, but you just die tired. Frankly I prefer flying damps because they're better: devastating and 100% reliable. Oh, and they can actually fit a tank and still be effective and reliable. |
Aivo Dresden
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
109
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Posted - 2013.11.09 13:49:00 -
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Beckett Firesnake wrote:I hate ECM. It ruins SOLO pvp, it is only about luck or not luck. It is only my opinion. But I would like to show this: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20358161I was perma jammed during il this "fight"... How many ECCM should I put on my ship? Using three slots of your ship to fit Three ECCM modules it means sacrifice tank, damage, and more... For what? Nothing... Seriously there is a problem.
How is there a problem? You have a ship there dedicated to keeping you jammed sacrificing 5 mid slots JUST FOR THAT. You think it's unfair when someone sacrifices 5 mid slots on one specific thing which has a +-30% to work?
You lost a 4v1, not like it would have mattered anyway. You got ganked. Get over it. |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Time and all Eternity
HumAnnoyeD
117
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Posted - 2013.11.09 15:41:00 -
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I'm not going to be going over what all other people have said here but I would rather solo a falcon then do a blob v blob against one of your Goon Celestis fleet where they damp you down to 1m targeting range, because the chances of landing a sensor damp are much higher than an ECM.
Also requesting a lock as you already have started a duplicate thread.
Tisk tisk Mr. Goon . . . I know you want something fixed but breaking the rules is no way to accomplish this. |
Beckett Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.11.09 17:17:00 -
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Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:I'm not going to be going over what all other people have said here but I would rather solo a falcon then do a blob v blob against one of your Goon Celestis fleet where they damp you down to 1m targeting range, because the chances of landing a sensor damp are much higher than an ECM. Also requesting a lock as you already have started a duplicate thread. Tisk tisk Mr. Goon . . . I know you want something fixed but breaking the rules is no way to accomplish this.
If I was not goon my argument would be better?
I don't see waht you mean.
If I was playing only blobs do you think I would bother about ECM? |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
956
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Posted - 2013.11.09 20:49:00 -
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If you were in a small gang even remotely as prepared as you for ECM you would have won. So it seems to me while ECM and ECCM is obnoxious, it is small gang vs solo that is 'broken' here. Even a second ship would have tipped the scales in your favor. |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage
Fidelas Constans
132
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Posted - 2013.11.10 09:27:00 -
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Beckett Firesnake wrote:I hate ECM. It ruins SOLO pvp, it is only about luck or not luck. It is only my opinion. But I would like to show this: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20358161I was perma jammed during il this "fight"... How many ECCM should I put on my ship? Using three slots of your ship to fit Three ECCM modules it means sacrifice tank, damage, and more... For what? Nothing... Seriously there is a problem.
ECCM is some of the most overpowered **** in the game. To make it balanced relative to other ECM/ECCM types it should only provide a 60% boost to sensor strength but no it grants + 100% which makes a jammers job 3x harder... 300% net benefit. |
Beckett Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:05:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Beckett Firesnake wrote:I hate ECM. It ruins SOLO pvp, it is only about luck or not luck. It is only my opinion. But I would like to show this: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20358161I was perma jammed during il this "fight"... How many ECCM should I put on my ship? Using three slots of your ship to fit Three ECCM modules it means sacrifice tank, damage, and more... For what? Nothing... Seriously there is a problem. ECCM is some of the most overpowered **** in the game. To make it balanced relative to other ECM/ECCM types it should only provide a 60% boost to sensor strength but no it grants + 100% which makes a jammers job 3x harder... 300% net benefit.
Not enough to not be jam though. And if it does'nt work, it have only no effect at all.... |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
341
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:43:00 -
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People seem to be forgetting the fact that the Mechanic, whether OP or not, is not enjoyable and does not fit into the way Eve works.
Its horrible, and it needs to be reworked completely as a mechanic, not nerfed. |
Mickline
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:16:00 -
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The guy is devoting 3 slots to counter 1 ewar, got into a fight where odds are already against him, doesn't ***** about the 4vs1 but points the fact that 80 sensor strenght got him almost perma jammed and people still say there's no problem with ECM ?
For real ? So glad i don't play anymore.
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Beckett Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:10:00 -
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Mickline
In fact I was not there to fight this gang but I land on the gate at the same time than them. I jumped and they chased me. Before I had the time to make a Safe in the system the Omen tackeld me and them I was forced to engage.
That is not the point though. Stop raging for nothing. |
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:32:00 -
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Best counter to ecm ships, like most ships, is the best ship ever: friendship
Eccm works fine in my experience. I find most people just give up when ECM goes on them, have missed entire cycles on people and they didn't even try to target anyone... I'm thinking that is what happened here.
Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu? |
Mickline
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.14 14:40:00 -
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Beckett Firesnake wrote:Mickline
In fact I was not there to fight this gang but I land on the gate at the same time than them. I jumped and they chased me. Before I had the time to make a Safe in the system the Omen tackeld me and them I was forced to engage.
That is not the point though. Stop raging for nothing.
Raging ? "ok"
You do realise i agree with you right ? Read again my post please : i say that 80 sensor strenght should be enough to counter efficiently a blackbird, and i don't understand how people can argue against that. Now, of course, to each their own, if people think a single BB MUST shut down a ship with 80 sensor ... |
Janna Sway
GeoCorp.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
64
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Posted - 2013.11.17 00:41:00 -
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Beckett Firesnake wrote:I hate ECM. It ruins SOLO pvp, it is only about luck or not luck. It is only my opinion. But I would like to show this: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20358161I was perma jammed during il this "fight"... How many ECCM should I put on my ship? Using three slots of your ship to fit Three ECCM modules it means sacrifice tank, damage, and more... For what? Nothing... Seriously there is a problem.
Fly yourself with ECM support. Countering ECM with ECM might work. Plainly, any usage of EWAR might help?
All-in-one-invincibility is thank God not really an option in EVE, and such events show and remind us that EVE is an "MMO" overall.
The only option that come even close to solo-PvP-"arena's" I am aware of are FW-complexes. In general, most pilots fly in fleets, or have allies nearby.
I have never seen EVE as a "solo"-game, so, that you got "destroyed" as a solo-pilot in a 4v1 without any chance of even shooting back is just what you deserved I guess, and that was their strategy, to shut you down and punish you for being isolated, without any gang. :)
Accept your punishment in honor and uprightness, and group up with your goon buddies. :) |
Drake Doe
Flatulaction
298
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Posted - 2013.11.17 17:50:00 -
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Janna Sway wrote:Beckett Firesnake wrote:I hate ECM. It ruins SOLO pvp, it is only about luck or not luck. It is only my opinion. But I would like to show this: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20358161I was perma jammed during il this "fight"... How many ECCM should I put on my ship? Using three slots of your ship to fit Three ECCM modules it means sacrifice tank, damage, and more... For what? Nothing... Seriously there is a problem. Fly yourself with ECM support. Countering ECM with ECM might work. Plainly, any usage of EWAR might help? All-in-one-invincibility is thank God not really an option in EVE, and such events show and remind us that EVE is an "MMO" overall. The only option that come even close to solo-PvP-"arena's" I am aware of are FW-complexes. In general, most pilots fly in fleets, or have allies nearby. I have never seen EVE as a "solo"-game, so, that you got "destroyed" as a solo-pilot in a 4v1 without any chance of even shooting back is just what you deserved I guess, and that was their strategy, to shut you down and punish you for being isolated, without any gang. :) Accept your punishment in honor and uprightness, and group up with your goon buddies. :)
You're missing the point, he fit his ship specifically to resist ecm yet it was still perma jammed throughout the fight.
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Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
463
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Posted - 2013.11.17 23:10:00 -
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Permajammed doesnt compute with being unjammed for about 6 seconds.
Equally 6 seconds sounds extremely suspect given jammer cycle time if we assume that the pilot fired all jammers at once (and against a single target...why not?)
And whilst we're on the topic of perma-this, perma-that...where are the perma-damp threads? The amount of people I've seen popped with a damper orbiting outside of lock range and in a faster boat.....or the perma-TD threads? |
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