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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.02.13 23:36:00 -
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Sorry but anyone who thinks the manti is way overpowered compared to the other races purely because it has a 3rd launcher slot need to actualy fly one for awhile.
I go out with every race bomber in gangs and manti is in no way overpowered, the amarr one for example can tank, I have seen it tank realy nicely before now, the only one that doesnt seem to have anything good going for it is the nemesis, that one does seem a little lacking.
Yes the manti has 1 extra launcher slot, but damn does it have to pay for it, hard to fit anything else, slowest, slowest locking, HAS to fit a small cap battery II to even consider warping across a system in one go etc etc, if you gave the others 3 missile hard points the manti would suck so hard in comparison.
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Dave Toz
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Posted - 2006.02.14 14:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Dave Toz
caldari has the best stealth bomber because missiles are a caldari speciality
just the same as
Galente have the best Drone ships/Carriers.
I dont see the problem tbh, this game goes down the pan when the races cant be distinguished by ship characteristics.
and low cap use weapons
So where do Amarr get a class where they get the best ship hands down? What about Minmatar?
*****.
Amarr ships have the best tracking and best tanks
Minmatar get the fastest/most agile ships.
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Deros
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Posted - 2006.02.14 14:47:00 -
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while we are doing this, can we change the tempest to have an uber cap, use lasers and no ammo.
exactly, bad idea.
without the diversity that eve has, what is the point.
use the ships to their advantages: simple
aka dont go long range in another bomber vs a manticore, while the reverse is true, i would never take a manticore close to the others, it would die.
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.02.14 16:35:00 -
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I like the purifier. It's faster than the manti and has much better cap. (Yes I fly both) And when you fit it with 2 bcu's it does similar burst damage as the manti. At least with my skills. Problem is I HAVE to fit 2 bcu's to get similar performance. but it's such a good ship. lost of fun to fly. And when you're in a gang it can actually keep up, unlike the manticore.
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Imode
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Posted - 2006.02.14 19:23:00 -
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It's not the win-button, but 3 launchers is a little more handy when insta-popping heavy tanked frigs like punishers and merlins.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.02.14 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dave Toz
Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Dave Toz
caldari has the best stealth bomber because missiles are a caldari speciality
just the same as
Galente have the best Drone ships/Carriers.
I dont see the problem tbh, this game goes down the pan when the races cant be distinguished by ship characteristics.
and low cap use weapons
So where do Amarr get a class where they get the best ship hands down? What about Minmatar?
*****.
Amarr ships have the best tracking and best tanks
Minmatar get the fastest/most agile ships.
Best ships hands down in specific class dunce cap.
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tenp1
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Posted - 2006.02.14 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Dave Toz
Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Dave Toz
caldari has the best stealth bomber because missiles are a caldari speciality
just the same as
Galente have the best Drone ships/Carriers.
I dont see the problem tbh, this game goes down the pan when the races cant be distinguished by ship characteristics.
and low cap use weapons
So where do Amarr get a class where they get the best ship hands down? What about Minmatar?
*****.
Amarr ships have the best tracking and best tanks
Minmatar get the fastest/most agile ships.
Best ships hands down in specific class dunce cap.
Gotta be with you on this one meridus old chap. When you think about it amarr screams assault and minmattar interceptor, though neither have distinctivly the best of either class that they are obviously "the best at".
I agree that the maticore has alot of drawbacks compared o the others, but when it comes to doing what it was designed to do, that extra launcher makes a hell of a differnce.
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.02.14 20:19:00 -
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i really can't understand you folks who mount small turrets on top of cruise launchers think that it makes up.
I was always under the assumption that the bomber was meant to do a long range cruise missile strike hence the lock range. To be using small rails or artillery makes me panic. And considering the fragility of steal bombers and there general inability to move i would feel really uncomfortable to be so close.
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Masu'di
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Posted - 2006.02.14 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Masu''di on 14/02/2006 21:03:04
Originally by: Dave Toz
caldari has the best stealth bomber because missiles are a caldari speciality
just the same as
Galente have the best Drone ships/Carriers.
I dont see the problem tbh, this game goes down the pan when the races cant be distinguished by ship characteristics.
please reduce the amarr and gallente stealth bombers to only 1 cruise missile launcher then please. the Minmatar's have missile superioty over these two races and so should be reflected in their bomber.
on a more constructive note, at the least instead of making them all equal in launcher bays, give the rest some better powergrid so they can all fit long range guns in their other highslots. at the moment you need two MAPCs on the hound to fit two 280mm. |
Weirda
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Posted - 2006.02.14 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Valea Silpha
i really can't understand you folks who mount small turrets on top of cruise launchers think that it makes up.
I was always under the assumption that the bomber was meant to do a long range cruise missile strike hence the lock range. To be using small rails or artillery makes me panic. And considering the fragility of steal bombers and there general inability to move i would feel really uncomfortable to be so close.
you are clearly under the assumption that all of the Stealth Bomber are meant to fulfill their role in exactly the same way. this is not the case, and is why all have different stats (not just number of launcher: ie speed, warp distance, slot placements, etc). 
arguably the manticore is the 'idiot button' version (bear with the RP here, weirda hate caldari) - which is to say least amount of piloting skill necessary to do what you said... the others can all be more or less effective when filling the role in way that suit them best. 
though - have to say, hound w/2x280IIs and tremor ammo can do some interesting thing from 20-40km. that is just one of many way that it can do its thing... solo not terribly effective... but nice in other scenerio. 
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.02.14 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
So where do Amarr get a class where they get the best ship hands down? What about Minmatar?
*****.
owning minmatar and amarr race versions (but not all 4) of recons would have to say that Amarr may wear that crown in the recon dept... both as support vessel and great solo.
as for minmatar - really like all of their class ship tbh... but same go for amarr... just different one for different purpose. 
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Weirda
Assault Ship deserve a 4th Bonus and More!
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Zephyrlin
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Posted - 2006.02.14 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Weirda
Originally by: Valea Silpha
i really can't understand you folks who mount small turrets on top of cruise launchers think that it makes up.
I was always under the assumption that the bomber was meant to do a long range cruise missile strike hence the lock range. To be using small rails or artillery makes me panic. And considering the fragility of steal bombers and there general inability to move i would feel really uncomfortable to be so close.
you are clearly under the assumption that all of the Stealth Bomber are meant to fulfill their role in exactly the same way. this is not the case, and is why all have different stats (not just number of launcher: ie speed, warp distance, slot placements, etc).
arguably the manticore is the 'idiot button' version (bear with the RP here, weirda hate caldari) - which is to say least amount of piloting skill necessary to do what you said... the others can all be more or less effective when filling the role in way that suit them best.
though - have to say, hound w/2x280IIs and tremor ammo can do some interesting thing from 20-40km. that is just one of many way that it can do its thing... solo not terribly effective... but nice in other scenerio.
Omg Weirda hates me. 
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.02.14 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Weirda
owning minmatar and amarr race versions (but not all 4) of recons would have to say that Amarr may wear that crown in the recon dept... both as support vessel and great solo.
Not true, the Curse or Pilgrim could never jam/scramble or web anything as well as the Caldari/Gallente/Minmatar recons.
They all excel in there own individual departments, the Amarr ones just happen to excel in a better field
Stealth bombers on the other hand have one department, own **** with cruise missiles. The Manticore does this better then everything else.
I would agree that it isn't as bad as the Gallente carriers overpowered nature relative to the other races. In this case the Manti is tough to fit and the others can somewhat compenate with the use of ballistic control units. The non-Gallente carriers have no way of catching up in damage, period.
It's still unbalanced imo but then again, i think the whole role stealth bombers currently occupy (killing frig sized targets) is freaking stupid.
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Kyozoku
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Posted - 2006.02.14 22:46:00 -
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The manticore is balanced because that 3rd launcher is the only thing it has going for it. If you look at it's stats they are terrible compared to the other bombers.
If we should nerf the manti because it has an extra launcher then by that logic we should nerf all non minmatar hacs because the muninn has two resist holes and the other hacs have one.
Ship balance isn't that black and white.
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Emeline Cabernet
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Posted - 2006.02.14 23:57:00 -
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the nemesis is the really pants 1 in the bomber class. and the other covert gallente ship also sucks. cpu/slots are ok on helios but the bonus.. jesus ... "..//..and 10% bonus to Scout Drone Thermal damage per level" on a 5m¦ drone bay WEEEEE! most retarded ship bonus ingame.
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tenp1
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Posted - 2006.02.15 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: tenp1 on 15/02/2006 00:29:01
Originally by: Emeline Cabernet
the nemesis is the really pants 1 in the bomber class. and the other covert gallente ship also sucks. cpu/slots are ok on helios but the bonus.. jesus ... "..//..and 10% bonus to Scout Drone Thermal damage per level" on a 5m¦ drone bay WEEEEE! most retarded ship bonus ingame.
All the covert ops weapons bonus' are pointless. they each need a unique skill that fits the covert ops role. These are just off the top of my head so others could no doubt do better. For instance the cheetah could get +5 speed/agility while cloaked. The gally one could get a bonus to use cargo scanners while cloaked but at an extremely short range while cloaked. The caldari one could have maybe a ecm burst effectiveness bonus to escape when locked. The amarr one could have a ships scanner bonus that starts of at extremely short range and gets increased with skill level.
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