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Nevyn Auscent
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Posted - 2013.11.08 23:15:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Carnip wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience. "Misunderstandings we have been noticing"?? Is it the same arrogant CCP that was pre-Incarna? You guys do realize that you can't afford that, with flat userbase for last several years and no big feature coming in Rubicon? You misunderstood my intent. I wanted to make the posters in this thread aware that we are not ignoring what they're saying, we just haven't gotten around to taking it all in yet. From what I have been reading so far, there are a lot of extremely valid criticisms and suggestions for positive turnarounds in the future. There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement.
All I can say is it had better be good.
In addition to my previous complaints I also searched the entire of 8V KM's and found next to none that could have been the NPC Navies, and those were probably FW players in the NPC FW Corp.
Yet supposedly the players were just back up for the NPC's, not the main force.
This thread has grown faster than the TOS thread which had people panicking, so should tell you both how many people are actually interested in live events, and how upset people are. |
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Posted - 2013.11.08 23:49:00 -
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Killerjock wrote:DDymus wrote:i bet you can afford that, no? somebody from the previous comments mentioned how expensive is to live in the claimed nulls, i bet you can afford that, why bother bring top ships against blob, but notformat not coordinated, not supported fleets? throw garbage at the garbage and see us flee before well coordinated fleet? Hey I don't live in null anymore. I'm a carebear just like you (from what you say below). But why do you expect people to play their game differently than the way they use to play it? As someone mentioned, "welcome to our tuesday evening" - there was nothing special about a blob getting into their turf. It's everyday's job, so like everyday they set up and defended their territory. The exceptional thing is that they had hours of advance warning while we were trying to figure out what the heck we were doing. Quote:and in case of situation gettign out of control - you have cynos and bridges and for crist sake you live in that region, you have a backup plan by nature. Big alliances had a chance to show really that null is theyr's but they didn't all they showed that they are able to keep anybody away from it. anyway i would done it differently, esp if you wanted to show something to the carebears. but again who am i to judge, or make any proposals. just ISK farmer. The nullsec alliances weren't there to show anyone anything. They were there to protect their territory, simple as that. You trespass into CFC area, you get a fight. Maybe you die, maybe you get out with your pod/ship/fleet. But you get a fight, that's for sure (well, mostly). The other alliances are just the same. It was CCP who was there to show us something - I assumed. Only they did not. Well, not to us stragglers who never managed to quite reach the event, at least. Why should razor, or PL, or whomever else, be held accountable for this?
The issue is not the null seccers, The issue is that it was not 'stragglers' who failed to reach the event. I don't believe a single high sec fleet made it to the event. Most of them not because of enemy action but because CCP started the Null event an hour before most fleets finally made it through TiDi to the target systems. The fleet I was in made it to 8V intact (Though we lost maybe 1/3rd of our numbers when CCP declared the event over). But the event was declared officially ended by CCP while we were 5 jumps out. And CCP started the event before we had even cleared high sec.
This despite the fact that we were moving as fast as we could without splitting the fleet up. |
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Posted - 2013.11.09 22:18:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote:Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.
That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.
Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3
Since you have utterly failed at reading comprehension let me enlighten you as to the actual thrust of most of the 'high sec' complaints.
CCP told us where to stage, no further information until after the event had started. We were staged 20-40 jumps from the end destination (Sarum Prime people had to move about 40 overall). Then gave only intermediate destinations along the way with limited options of routes.
Fleets moving along those routes were typically in 10% TiDi. Individuals could obviously break out faster but moving in a coherent fleet that wasn't going to get ganked 1 by 1 meant TiDi.
CCP then started the 'event' well before any of the fleets from high sec had a chance of getting to their destinations, had the Empire flee from the field mere minutes after, & declared the event ended entirely before most fleets were even into null sec.
In contrast, the 'pirates' got staged one system from the destination, and local sov holders already had large forces in the doril region due to existing fighting.
Meaning that the 2000+ (I'd say 3000+ initially from what I saw) High sec players who were attempting to attend the event got denied by CCP's decision on starting & finishing the event before they could even get near the target system due to TiDi warps along a massive convoy route.
That is what the rage is about. It's not tears over loosing ships, every fleet I know of was advised they would loose ships, anyone who asked in Live Events before hand was told they would almost certainly be going to Low or Null by older hands at Live Events. But we expected the opportunity to at least participate in the event, not be denied simply because CCP couldn't be bothered to give us the time to get there when they had to know how long it would take us. |
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Posted - 2013.11.09 22:28:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:litle grasshopper wrote: -Usual can't be arsed reading crap-post And you really thing this thread is getting locked? Oh dear, I think you need to think before you type and not just crap-post whatever springs to mind. Go back and read a few of the more intentioned posts and you'll get the theme of this thread.
Like the one right above his for a start, or any of the hundreds of others that explain exactly the same thing. |
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Posted - 2013.11.09 23:01:00 -
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Except most people didn't take part in the lore.
They could have not turned up at all and it would have been exactly the same event.
Because most people only turned up after CCP declared the event over because CCP stuffed up big time. |
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Posted - 2013.11.09 23:23:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Except most people didn't take part in the lore.
They could have not turned up at all and it would have been exactly the same event.
Because most people only turned up after CCP declared the event over because CCP stuffed up big time. To be honest, if you even burned towards the destination trying to avoid the pirates and stop the Serpentis you were there.
No, you weren't there. Not if you were moving a fleet together.
If you ran a fast cloaky into the system you made it sure.
But the fleets with their travelling TiDi coming with them didn't make it. The fleet I was in hadn't even left High Sec when CCP started the event in Null. It was declared over when we were five jumps out.
The alternative was to trickle feed gate camps if everyone travelled at their own best speed rather than at the slowest ships warp with a fleet warp then align to outbound gate after jumping.
Which defeats the point of having a fleet if you trickle in.
CCP quite simply stuffed up big time, and didn't plan worth a dang. |
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Posted - 2013.11.09 23:49:00 -
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Raneru wrote:Well I had a blast during the event, literally. Our lowsec system was on the shortest route to utopia, much camping fun was had  . The entry gate was littered with wrecks. It was estimated that we had over 115 kills. Great event, would participate again :)
Congratulations, you had a gate camp. Still doesn't make it a Live Event.
From the PvP side, sure, PvP happened. From the Live Event side, it was a major screw up since the lore got made to look like a joke by CCP from this event. They should have written a chronicle & just run a massive PvP event. |
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Posted - 2013.11.10 00:01:00 -
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Raneru wrote:Back in 2005 there was a nullsec event to stop serpentis stealing a titan. As a newb I went out there in an incursus with whatever crap was in my hanger thrown onto it to participate. First attempt, I was killed by a torp raven. Second attempt I got to it and fired a few shots off before being blown up and podded.
Bad time? I loved it! I found a nullsec corp to move to a few weeks later.
There will be scores of new players who will get into null as a result of this event. Not because it went successfully and they returned rich but because it was scary and challenging.
No, there won't. You know why there won't?
Because in 2005 you actually got to the event.
This time, the new players didn't get to the event, the event got declared finished before they even made it.
And half of them got killed in gate camps on the way that weren't exciting, were just instant death.
2005 null was entirely different environment to 2013 null sorry to say & the event was dramatically different as well. |
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:30:00 -
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Louise Beethoven wrote:LMAO CCP leads high-sec carebears into a trap like lambs to the slaughter
Just hilarious and you can bet CCP are laughing too
And well done being ANOTHER PERSON MISSING THE POINT.
High sec rage (for the most part) is nothing to do with the fact we died. Heck, the FCORD fleet did a deliberate whelp to take as many as we could out on the way at the end.
High sec rage is about the fact that CCP gathered us for an epic live event, then trailed us around through TiDi, jumped ahead and started the event nearly an hour before most fleets actually made it through the TiDi to the target, and had declared the event over and the pirates won before we even got there.
I mean, WTF!
Just write a chronicle if that's going to be the event, then advertise a Dev run PvP roam whelp fleet instead into null sec.
Because 95% of the High Sec people did not get an event. That's over 2000 people who turned up for EVE Lore who got left hanging in the wind by CCP, while upstairs they were all laughing & partying to a live stream of the gate camps. |
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:50:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Honestly, you can't have something like this both ways. You either invite everyone and get a kitchen sink fleet that won't be effective, or organize up a doctrine, and **** off anyone not able to join. There's honestly not much you can do with a disorganized grabass except say "go here".
And this once again WAS NOT THE ISSUE
Learn to read.
The issue was that CCP's 'Live Event' was anything but an Event.
The mighty four empires that the capsuleers were supposed to assist provided a massive.... 4 HIC's to the entire operation. One of which then bubbled a high sec fleet at a gate camp which killed most of said fleet... wtf ccp!
The rest of the high sec fleets did not get given time to even get to the target systems since CCP jumped ahead, attacked the null sec fleets solo, died vs the Pirate BS Live Event actors who then shot it out with the null sec cartels after shiny killboards from all the isk value of the hulls. Then CCP declared pirates the winners before the high sec fleets could even get there.
I don't know how many times we are going to have to say this before it finally sinks into null sec brains, we aren't complaining about dying, we are complaining about the fact CCP promoted a live event then mismanaged it in about the most spectacular way possible not even giving people who were organised & on time the ability to take part. |
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Posted - 2013.11.13 01:44:00 -
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Waiting to see if the Dev Blog actually says what they will do in the future, or a standard CCP apology 'We are reviewing' with no further comment on it. We are still waiting for a community rewards policy to be published like promised after all. A live Events policy will likely be even further down the line the way they are going, when it should take no more than a day or two to knock out a basic policy. |
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Posted - 2013.11.13 19:33:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Octoven wrote:Did they actually say they would release a dev blog and not just a news article? Hi! Yeah the news is not the statement I promised  That's just something we tend to do post-event as a matter of course. Blog should be coming this afternoon.
Such a pity the news report got it completely wrong. The Capsuleers were not 'unable to defeat the Serpentis' in 8V. You never even gave us a chance to get fleets there, you declared the event over well before the fleets actually made it because of all the TiDi. I can't respond IC to this event because it was such an OOC mess. I literally can't, I can see no way to RP this event through that's not immersion breaking because of your failures.
Yes, the lore will move on, win or loose Ghost sites were going to happen, this isn't actually a massive lore changing event on the scale of things, but it's still a massive OOC mess & now a false news report that is editing history. Is the next blog going to be more of the same, more falsehoods except OOC this time? |
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Posted - 2013.11.13 20:29:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Rekkr Nordgard wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:I think the best part of this thread is that it functions as a nice, compact resource for identifying people who take this game way too seriously. Lots of optimal gank targets, up in here. Tears guaranteed.
A live event went sideways. Big. *******. Deal. Most of you are acting like they touched you in your no-no zone. Some people care about different parts of the game than I do, that makes them stupid. It's not that they care, it's the degree to which they care. Throwing a week long tantrum over a minor event mishap not only makes you stupid, it makes you an infant. It's not ******* Benghazi - some internet spaceships got blown up.
Other than the small part that this was not a 'minor' event mishap. It was major. Thousands of people got left unable to take part simply because CCP couldn't be bothered to wait a bit longer.
It's nothing to do with spaceships getting blown up. Several of the fleets deliberately whelped after the Event was over since people expected to loose their ships and wanted to do something at the end of it all. It's to do with CCP's chronic mishandling of the event planning & terrible representation of the lore.
Further compounded now by CCP retconning history to record that 'capsuleers failed' rather than 'they never had a chance to get there in the first place' |
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:23:00 -
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Verdict from me is outright lies from CCP as to what actually happened on the Event.
CCP, if you are reading the thread, I'm highly disappointed that you couldn't publicly own up to the fact that you didn't allow for most of the high sec players to even get to the target zones before you called the event over.
Instead you are Retconning the event to claim that everyone had a fair go. Simply claiming it was so doesn't make it so. And by doing so you set a terrible stage for future events, where you can just make stuff up however you like after the event to claim it went how you wanted, without a care in the world to the reality.
TLDR. Get your head out of your ass CCP and actually answer the complaints about organisation. |
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Posted - 2013.11.15 02:56:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
If I'd gotten blown up actually fighting in an action under orders from my fleet command actually trying to achieve something then fine, that was (i thought) the point of the event. People accept they will lose ships, but don't expect to be led to throw them away.
I consider my ships to be in a prolonged, extremely-slow-motion state of exploding as soon as I undock with them.
Which still has nothing to do with the complete screw up of the event by CCP. The rage is NOT OVER DYING. We are going to say this again and again. It is over CCP not even giving most of the several thousand high sec players a chance to even get to the event before they called it over so they could go and drink and party with their friends upstairs.
CCP; How on earth were High sec meant to win when you call the event over when most of them are still in low sec even. Your Dev Blog is a blatant white wash, and rewriting history with outright lies. I was annoyed before over the mismanagement of the event. Now I'm actually angry because you are lying about the event. |
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Posted - 2013.11.20 11:23:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote:
Heh, go figure - people get welped into the wall and instead of thinking what they could do to avoid in the future they demand others to do something instead.
Or perhaps....
you actually read what our complaint was.
The main complaint was that CCP never gave high sec fleets time to get to the Event. Not that we ran into null sec fleets.
CCP knew we had hundreds of people stuck in TiDi in fleets working towards the target zone. Then called the event over before we could even get there. |
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Posted - 2013.12.04 09:49:00 -
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Which says nothing as it's an outright lie in points. One of the few Dev blogs I've ever been disgusted in reading. |
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:33:00 -
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Jake Rivers wrote:So did CCP ever figure out that live events fail?
If their Dev blog was any clue, No.
Their Dev blog was a pack of lies, that made it out as if there was an actual epic event and just lots of people died, vs a complete stuff up and no event.
We knew it was a predetermined outcome anyway since it was just an excuse to introduce ghost sites, even more so than any other event this one was utterly unchangeable.
But we didn't even get an event for playing along with CCP, they closed the event, and then white washed it with their Dev blog. |
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