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Vulxanis Viceroy Xiadii Family Holdings Enhanced Iridium Astrometrics Conglomerate 0	Posted - 2013.11.08 01:35:00 - [1] - Quote I want these questions answered. If I can speak for my fellow capsuleers, they are also as outraged and confused as I am, even the ones that participate! My agents have been trying to learn what happened today. CONCORD and the empires made a huge blunder, or so it seems. I wished to participate, but business prohibited my actions to elsewhere. If you can, please answer these questions: 1. What was the purpose of what seems to be a pointless battle? 2. Why did we attack? 3. Who were we attacking? 4. Was the battle a success? 5. If not, why did we even bother? 6. What were the course of the events?
Ava Starfire Stormcrows 1293	Posted - 2013.11.08 01:40:00 - [2] - Quote First! I dont know the answers to any of those very good questions. I just wanted to yell FIRST!
Erys Charantes University of Caille Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:17:00 - [3] - Quote A complete debacle, obviously not backed by the entities that called for it? And left to its own devices from the get go, clearly with no interest in weather the action succeeded or not? I would put two possibilities to that... Either it was organized to be observed, or it was organized as a large scale distraction. Which still begs the question of why and what.
Evi Polevhia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 365	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:27:00 - [4] - Quote You're not going to get answers and you should feel silly for asking. If you were dumb enough to jump into nullsec without the gate being scouted, you deserve whatever fate you got.
Constantin Baracca 200	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:30:00 - [5] - Quote Erys Charantes wrote: A complete debacle, obviously not backed by the entities that called for it? And left to its own devices from the get go, clearly with no interest in weather the action succeeded or not? I would put two possibilities to that... Either it was organized to be observed, or it was organized as a large scale distraction. Which still begs the question of why and what. Or it was simply not organized. I thought that was the most vexing problem.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 598	Posted - 2013.11.08 03:03:00 - [6] - Quote 1. What was the purpose of what seems to be a pointless battle? To defeat enemies of the State 2. Why did we attack? Because Caldari Navy required our help. 3. Who were we attacking? Enemies of the State 4. Was the battle a success? I have no idea, I was stuck in traffic congestion 5. If not, why did we even bother? Because we were ordered to go there. 6. What were the course of the events? Sitting on gates, travelling through heavily congested high security space, sliding through gatecamps, listening to incompetent FCs, facepalming on FC, when they jump fleet through while battleships were still in transit, killing each other in low and null sec, and eventually recieving information that everything is over.
Hulemand Coreli Corporation Ineluctable. 92	Posted - 2013.11.08 03:12:00 - [7] - Quote Vulxanis Viceroy wrote: 2. Why did we attack? That I cannot tell you Vulxanis Viceroy wrote: 3. Who were we attacking? Other's freedom Vulxanis Viceroy wrote: 4. Was the battle a success? Yes, we managed to defend our assets and freedom Vulxanis Viceroy wrote: 5. If not, why did we even bother? You should not bother - the empires/CONCORD never does anything for you, why would you do anything for them? Vulxanis Viceroy wrote: 6. What were the course of the events? You came, you got destoyed, you hopefully learned to stay out of other people's business.
Kel hound Lycosa Syndicate Surely You're Joking 60	Posted - 2013.11.08 03:29:00 - [8] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: 1. What was the purpose of what seems to be a pointless battle? To defeat enemies of the State 2. Why did we attack? Because Caldari Navy required our help. 3. Who were we attacking? Enemies of the State 4. Was the battle a success? I have no idea, I was stuck in traffic congestion 5. If not, why did we even bother? Because we were ordered to go there. 6. What were the course of the events? Sitting on gates, travelling through heavily congested high security space, sliding through gatecamps, listening to incompetent FCs, facepalming on FC, when they jump fleet through while battleships were still in transit, killing each other in low and null sec, and eventually recieving information that everything is over. Is every navy drone just conditioned to stop thinking or is it just a by-product of the constant stream of propaganda they feed you. The mission was clearly not to defeat any "enemies of the state" unless those enemies were us capsulers still loyal to the 4 empires. If the Caldari Navy required the help of a fleet of ADD cats then things are in worse shape than I have been lead to believe. "Enemies of the state" ...do you even know what that means anymore? Do you even care? The pirates certainly accomplished everything they needed too. You were ordered to die like the good little drone you are for the glory of the state. Good to know you still have some humor left in you - pity you waste it on a sarcastic ARR.
Evi Polevhia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 365	Posted - 2013.11.08 03:49:00 - [9] - Quote Hulemand wrote: You came, you got destoyed, you hopefully learned to stay out of other people's business. People are slow to learn that lesson, I've noticed recently.
Erys Charantes University of Caille Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2013.11.08 04:26:00 - [10] - Quote Constantin Baracca wrote: Erys Charantes wrote: A complete debacle, obviously not backed by the entities that called for it? And left to its own devices from the get go, clearly with no interest in weather the action succeeded or not? I would put two possibilities to that... Either it was organized to be observed, or it was organized as a large scale distraction. Which still begs the question of why and what. Or it was simply not organized. I thought that was the most vexing problem. That was so plainly evident and remarked upon already that I felt no need to say it again. But yes, beyond any doubt. To clarify, I was not referring to the obvious lack of in situ command structure, but rather the action being put together to start with.
Constantin Baracca 201	Posted - 2013.11.08 05:25:00 - [11] - Quote Erys Charantes wrote: Constantin Baracca wrote: Erys Charantes wrote: A complete debacle, obviously not backed by the entities that called for it? And left to its own devices from the get go, clearly with no interest in weather the action succeeded or not? I would put two possibilities to that... Either it was organized to be observed, or it was organized as a large scale distraction. Which still begs the question of why and what. Or it was simply not organized. I thought that was the most vexing problem. That was so plainly evident and remarked upon already that I felt no need to say it again. But yes, beyond any doubt. To clarify, I was not referring to the obvious lack of in situ command structure, but rather the action being put together to start with. Actually, I think I might mean that in precisely that manner. The action was put together to start with because CONCORD actually thought that would work, and simply didn't know what they were doing. No one ever said CONCORD and the empires were good at tactical planning. I mean, there is a contractual war going on where resources will go into the combat, but it's been assured that no one can ever win. I'm simply saying, plain old naivete and logistical incompetence are also a very viable reason why this was organized. Someone might simply have not known what they were doing.
Erys Charantes University of Caille Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2013.11.08 05:42:00 - [12] - Quote Constantin Baracca wrote: Erys Charantes wrote: Constantin Baracca wrote: Erys Charantes wrote: A complete debacle, obviously not backed by the entities that called for it? And left to its own devices from the get go, clearly with no interest in weather the action succeeded or not? I would put two possibilities to that... Either it was organized to be observed, or it was organized as a large scale distraction. Which still begs the question of why and what. Or it was simply not organized. I thought that was the most vexing problem. That was so plainly evident and remarked upon already that I felt no need to say it again. But yes, beyond any doubt. To clarify, I was not referring to the obvious lack of in situ command structure, but rather the action being put together to start with. Actually, I think I might mean that in precisely that manner. The action was put together to start with because CONCORD actually thought that would work, and simply didn't know what they were doing. No one ever said CONCORD and the empires were good at tactical planning. I mean, there is a contractual war going on where resources will go into the combat, but it's been assured that no one can ever win. I'm simply saying, plain old naivete and logistical incompetence are also a very viable reason why this was organized. Someone might simply have not known what they were doing. Point conceded. I suppose I was trying to give something, somewhere, the benefit of the doubt. And I definitely agree with the asessment of the 'contractual war' being a never ending cycle with no means of victory for those involved.
Constantin Baracca 201	Posted - 2013.11.08 05:55:00 - [13] - Quote Erys Charantes wrote: Constantin Baracca wrote: Erys Charantes wrote: Constantin Baracca wrote: Erys Charantes wrote: A complete debacle, obviously not backed by the entities that called for it? And left to its own devices from the get go, clearly with no interest in weather the action succeeded or not? I would put two possibilities to that... Either it was organized to be observed, or it was organized as a large scale distraction. Which still begs the question of why and what. Or it was simply not organized. I thought that was the most vexing problem. That was so plainly evident and remarked upon already that I felt no need to say it again. But yes, beyond any doubt. To clarify, I was not referring to the obvious lack of in situ command structure, but rather the action being put together to start with. Actually, I think I might mean that in precisely that manner. The action was put together to start with because CONCORD actually thought that would work, and simply didn't know what they were doing. No one ever said CONCORD and the empires were good at tactical planning. I mean, there is a contractual war going on where resources will go into the combat, but it's been assured that no one can ever win. I'm simply saying, plain old naivete and logistical incompetence are also a very viable reason why this was organized. Someone might simply have not known what they were doing. Point conceded. I suppose I was trying to give something, somewhere, the benefit of the doubt. And I definitely agree with the asessment of the 'contractual war' being a never ending cycle with no means of victory for those involved. While I'm certainly not saying that something more sinister might be in the works, as you could very well be right, I'm not sure if I'd be happier with that. CONCORD is all that really protects our people from unchecked depredations of pirates, and to hear capsuleers sympathetically, if not condescendingly, patting it on the head and asking if they need help with nullsec operations. And, all told... CONCORD would do well to agree and take the help of those capsuleers who really do know what they're doing. One would think CONCORD would know how to handle an assault on pirates and could lead it effectively. Now, one wonders whether it's really CONCORD that keeps the peace in space or if it's simply because there are so many capsuleers snapping up bounties on pirates in CONCORD space that they have just as much trouble getting a foothold in high security space.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine 2246	Posted - 2013.11.08 05:55:00 - [14] - Quote Only a fool telegraphs their first strike like that. Only the mother of all fools would follow Concord into battle. An organisation that relies so heavily on a huge technological advantage and all their software trickery.
Erys Charantes University of Caille Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2013.11.08 06:06:00 - [15] - Quote All I can say to that, Big Brother, it's that they'd better sharpen up fast. Constantine has a point, they've got too much riding on them to drop the ball this badly.
Scherezad Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security 1279	Posted - 2013.11.08 06:28:00 - [16] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Only a fool telegraphs their first strike like that. Only the mother of all fools would follow Concord into battle. An organisation that relies so heavily on a huge technological advantage and all their software trickery. I didn't go into that fight because CONCORD asked me to. I went into that fight because the CEP asked me to. Kigurosaka, suuolo.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine 2247	Posted - 2013.11.08 06:41:00 - [17] - Quote I gave my crews the day off, suuolo. I couldn't send another couple of hundred on a suicide mission and sleep tonight.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine 2247	Posted - 2013.11.08 06:44:00 - [18] - Quote Erys Charantes wrote: All I can say to that, Big Brother, it's that they'd better sharpen up fast. Constantine has a point, they've got too much riding on them to drop the ball this badly. I stopped putting my faith in Concord a long time ago. Look to your walls, Little Sister, aye and look to your kin who will stand on them with you.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 600	Posted - 2013.11.08 08:04:00 - [19] - Quote Scherezad wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Only a fool telegraphs their first strike like that. Only the mother of all fools would follow Concord into battle. An organisation that relies so heavily on a huge technological advantage and all their software trickery. I didn't go into that fight because CONCORD asked me to. I went into that fight because the CEP asked me to. Kigurosaka, suuolo. I went into that fight not because CONCORD or CEP asked me to, but because Caldari Navy asked us. And I didn't get into that fight, because [censored] [censored] [censored] CONCORD couldn't regulate traffic in high security systems between Sarum Prime and Ihal. And who the [censored] let civilians do the job?! We need proper military organization and military priority for passing systems and stargates. Bah! Civilian amateurs everywhere!!
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1511	Posted - 2013.11.08 09:36:00 - [20] - Quote Had the combined Amarrian/Caldari fleet been led by an Amarrian officer, things might have been different.
Kel hound Lycosa Syndicate Surely You're Joking 60	Posted - 2013.11.08 09:52:00 - [21] - Quote Rodj Blake wrote: Had the combined Amarrian/Caldari fleet been led by an Amarrian officer, things might have been different. No, it was setup to fail. Either intentionally or unintentionally and I'm honestly not sure which I would prefer to believe at this point. It doesnt matter which shepherd herds when the flock is being sent to the wolves.
Lyn Farel Kitzless 634	Posted - 2013.11.08 10:18:00 - [22] - Quote Despite some of the obvious failures of CONCORD in the matter - unless they had something else in mind - the fleets were not lead by CONCORD, only capsuleers, with capsuleer issue tools.
Ayallah Silver's Privateers Test Alliance Please Ignore 31	Posted - 2013.11.08 13:54:00 - [23] - Quote This is just what I heard at the Cartel site and after, null sec rumors are generally true but keep in mind this is tertiary information at best: 1. The Battle was initially to destroy a pair of research facilities. One operated by the Serpentis and the other by their benefactor's the Cartel. Due to the poor discipline of the empire pilots and unfamiliarity with fluid router TiDi this battle never really took place and the forces were instead massacred on the gates into null sec. From where I was perched over the cartel facility, I saw only a few dozen small ships that had made it through the camp at Doril simply by merit of not being valuable enough to kill. These were quickly killed as well. 2. CONCORD 3. The Cartel and the Serpentis 4. Absolutely not. Both objectives were secured almost completely uncontested an nearly thirty or more minutes before the main blob even hit the gate camps on the way to null sec. 5. CONCORD saw the research as illegal and dangerous and attempted to impose its will. 6.Two staging systems were given, one for the Matari and Gallentean forces headed to strike toward Serpentis space and one for Caldari and Amarrian forces headed toward Curse and the Cartel. Both forces were logistically strained from the beginning being unfamiliar with fleet actions, lacking a unified doctrine, and being completely new to the concept of fluid router TiDi. The Sarum Prime groups convoyed at a freeborn toward their secondary staging system in Ihal many slaughtered by a small camp in Rahaladon by some HAC's and Recons. Because of the TiDi the forces moved out to the new destination RMOC-W while being spread out over 15+ star systems. It was then that they reached the impromptu camp in Doril and were slaughtered. Stragglers in low sec were killed by a small TEST flotilla to my knowledge but likely also by local low sec opportunists. Those who jumped to Doril ran into Razor's AHAC gang, A Goon Domi fleet and fast locker trigger. PL, NC. Darkeness, TEST, and many others in smaller and smaller increments joined in on the slaughter in Doril or the scraps that managed to make it through to RMO. << A secondary source from Razor in Doril >> In my opinion, those research facilities contained implants the Cartel has been using lately for rapid deployment as well as blueprints for some of their mobile structures they have created that allow them to set up rapid attack bases nearly anywhere. This is of course just my own speculation, no one seemed interested in what was in them, just concerned with the killing and the tears. It was not until afterwards meeting some of my Cartel friends in G-0 that I even thought to ask. Many Cartel members also did not know for certain what was being researched. All null blocs operate in the same way in the end, information stays at the top. But maybe this can help someone else connect the dots. I do not know. To me it seems silly to attack a target such as that so it is very likely something else entirely was taking place. I can say that what CONCORD intended as a show of force, a unification and all the other fancy things it was called before yesterday, it accomplished the exact opposite. Approximately two thousand capsuleers were slaughtered off hand by barely two hundred who then in proper null sec fashion had a nice brawl after. It showed the fact that the Empries did not even trust each other enough to supplement the strike forces with their own navies and capital support. It showed just how abruptly CONCORD's reach ends and just how much their hubris will sacrifice. It showed every null sec pilot just how much we had in common. Just how similarly we all think and operate. I enjoyed the company of Goonswarm, PL, Cartel and Darkness pilots and baseliners in G-0 after the fact and it was nothing short of a party or even a armistice day in nullsec. (Meaning that we shot each other, but were all laughing and drinking and joking rather than full of general toxicity that the groups have for each other.) I have been as objective as I can in answering your points but of course the second half is my opinion as the perspective of a TEST alliance pilot participating in November Massacre.
Hulemand Coreli Corporation Ineluctable. 95	Posted - 2013.11.09 10:47:00 - [24] - Quote Evi Polevhia wrote: Hulemand wrote: You came, you got destoyed, you hopefully learned to stay out of other people's business. People are slow to learn that lesson, I've noticed recently. Are you claiming that Shadow Cartel is loyal to you?
Sofia Roseburn True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 83	Posted - 2013.11.09 10:59:00 - [25] - Quote Hulemand wrote: Are you claiming that Shadow Cartel is loyal to you? The fact that you are even suggesting that goes to show just how naive you are.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 603	Posted - 2013.11.09 11:31:00 - [26] - Quote Rodj Blake wrote: Had the combined Amarrian/Caldari fleet been led by an Amarrian officer, things might have been different. In fact, he was. He ordered us to travel to Ihal, when we were staging in Sarum Prime. So far, this was the only order we heard, before wasting hours in traffic bottlenecks in high security systems on the way to Ihal.
Darian en Chasteaux EVE University Ivy League 4	Posted - 2013.11.10 20:42:00 - [27] - Quote Rodj Blake wrote: Had the combined Amarrian/Caldari fleet been led by an Amarrian officer, things might have been different. I could not heartily agree more and I was not even invited let alone be there....I was called to duty elsewhere otherwise I would have been there to assist even tho my liking towards the Caldari Navy are in question. Darian
Fredfredbug4 Eve Defence Force Cult of War 1604	Posted - 2013.11.10 20:53:00 - [28] - Quote Vulxanis Viceroy wrote: 1. What was the purpose of what seems to be a pointless battle? Doesn't matter, CONCORD told you to and you obeyed like sheep. 2. Why did we attack? Doesn't matter, CONCORD told you to. You are sheep, stop asking questions. 3. Who were we attacking? Doesn't matter, CONCORD told you to. You are sheep, stop asking questions. 4. Was the battle a success? Doesn't matter, CONCORD told you to. You are sheep, stop asking questions. 5. If not, why did we even bother? Because you are sheep and obey without question. No better than Sansha cyber-slaves 6. What were the course of the events? CONCORD: GUISE WE NEED YOUR HELP GET OVER HERE Capsuleers: Baaaa okay!
Jandice Ymladris Aurora Arcology 284	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:11:00 - [29] - Quote Rodj Blake wrote: Had the combined Amarrian/Caldari fleet been led by an Amarrian officer, things might have been different. I'm afraid to dissappoint in this. The Fleet heading to the Curse objective was led by two commanders, one for the Amarr delegation, and one for the Caldari delegation. They proved both to be incompetent. If it's any comfort, the Gallente and Minmatar Commanders assigned to the Syndicate objective matched them in incompetence. I have made a full report about the failed operation at ANN: Capsuleers answer Call to arms en masse, Navies fail to support them This report has been composed after dozens of communications and interviews with those involved. In short, the capsuleers did what was asked, but got incompetent commanders of all 4 navies to lead them, quite the achievement I'd say.
Scherezad Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security 1302	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:14:00 - [30] - Quote Fredfredbug4 wrote: 1. What was the purpose of what seems to be a pointless battle? Doesn't matter, CONCORD told you to and you obeyed like sheep. 2. Why did we attack? Doesn't matter, CONCORD told you to. You are sheep, stop asking questions. 3. Who were we attacking? Doesn't matter, CONCORD told you to. You are sheep, stop asking questions. 4. Was the battle a success? Doesn't matter, CONCORD told you to. You are sheep, stop asking questions. 5. If not, why did we even bother? Because you are sheep and obey without question. No better than Sansha cyber-slaves 6. What were the course of the events? CONCORD: GUISE WE NEED YOUR HELP GET OVER HERE Capsuleers: Baaaa okay! This is a loathesome statement, meant to do nothing more than fatten your swollen pride on the carrion of other peoples' troubles. I thought you better than this.

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