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Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:28:00 -
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I like that there's hi-sec where people will get punished. It's just as unforgiving as anywhere else but there is at least a reason for people to not attack me to steal my stuff. They will get podded too.
I like that there's a lo-sec place I can go to and face other players, expect to lose ships, and generally have a more edge of my seat experience than hi-sec.
I like that there's a null-sec place I can go to face giant conglomerates of corporations. That's so cool, carving out your own space with your friends.
I like that there are wormholes where it's hard just to stay alive against rats. Carving out your space but being blind to anyone coming in... harsh.
All these places should exist and are for different kinds of people. Getting rid of or significantly changing any one of them to make them more like the others is the wrong thing. People are in here playing because the game is 4 different games in one. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:37:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Don Aubaris wrote:Deadwood. All DEVs should be forced too watch Deadwood 10 Times. And apparantly some a few times more. Then they they would finally understand how humans act. From the Lawless start (where you can make it ritch) to some kind of civilized situation (where gains are less). This is what people do and want in reallife. And CCP has the bad habit of not respecting this. Their latest decission tries to go into the trend. Which government privatizes its custom services and let companies determine tax-rates in a monopoly situation (since there is only 1 per planet)?? Even if they get their cut, the resulting decreased trade and hence economic dowfall and general unhappiness of the populaiton would make them vulnerable. It's just not realistic. How long would it take for some Nullsec Alliance to realize there is free money there. Just shoot everything up, put your own stuff in place and see the money come. After all, high-seccers are the civilized part of space. They don't fight as good nor do they want too. Cilivized people have the law and the army for that. So the only serious counter-reaction would be from another serious Null-sec Alliance. And so War comes to HighSec. Which idiot government allows that?? Perhaps DEV salaries should be linked to the tax income of planets, then they would think twice about doing stupid stuff  looks like someone in doing their pi in a planet close to a hub system that will have its tax jacked up by some nullsec blobber structure shooters, oh no.
We put our fake money into that to make more fake money, and now you're changing the rules of how to make fake money. We'll have to adapt to survive, but how do you do that in hi-sec?
Hi-sec had one good passive income thing for newbies and now it's gone. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:46:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Oh god the newbies!
Newbies will not even understand what happened, and perhaps not even notice. They'll just set up their PI somewhere wondering why they're paying lower taxes and who this "WOLOLOLOL GOON POCOS" corporation is.
How is it possible to pay lower taxes when the original taxes are still being collected on top of whatever tax rate the POCO owner institutes? |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:47:00 -
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I've only been around less than a month, am I a bittervet already? Isn't it important to know what is going on in the game? Did you know that newbie doesn't equal uninformed? |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:50:00 -
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Anna Karhunen wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:Oh god the newbies!
Newbies will not even understand what happened, and perhaps not even notice. They'll just set up their PI somewhere wondering why they're paying lower taxes and who this "WOLOLOLOL GOON POCOS" corporation is. How is it possible to pay lower taxes when the original taxes are still being collected on top of whatever tax rate the POCO owner institutes? See, the nullsec guys are functionally illiterate. You cannot hope them to understand what has been written about the upcoming changes.
Such unfortunately accurate statements... |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:54:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:"These two changes (new skill and adjusted tax base values) mean that the NPC portion of the tax is going to be less than it is right now."
I'm looking forward to that adjustment and the new skill, but seriously, I expect to just get locked out of dropping anything at all. I believe that was listed as a feature. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:56:00 -
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It'll still be less tax, just the same percent. And this person who doesn't know what is going on doesn't actually track the tax anyway. :P |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:16:00 -
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Well, we'll see. You don't know what's going to happen either. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:37:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:I for one am excited about EVE Online having other games to compete with it - then all these whiny fucktards will finally have some place else to go!
So you're planning to leave us? |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:39:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Well, we'll see. You don't know what's going to happen either. I also don't know if my co-workers will be there when I get to my job in the morning, but based on past behaviour and a general understanding of the various incentives involved I can make a good guess. That said, I'll take your response over "people in npc corp chat said goons have infiltrated CCP and are going to lock out all new players from hisec pocos so the maritanini can buy a Ferrari for his dog".
There have never been POCOs in high-sec before. There is no past behavior to judge from. But, understand the various incentives is another thing.
Are the people who get POCOs going to be griefers who just want to collect hi-sec tears by shutting us off, or do they have a profit motive to have good ferried through their POCO?
Once someone owns it I'll feel better. |
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:45:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:I've only been around less than a month, am I a bittervet already? Isn't it important to know what is going on in the game? Did you know that newbie doesn't equal uninformed? This is the funniest post today when the subject is about you misunderstanding the POCO issue lol. Welcome to yet another subject where "null sec people" end up schooling :high sec people" on high sec mechanics. like I've said before, High Sec doesn't teach players anything, not like low, null and wormhole space does.
So I should fly out to losec and get pod-killed by a pirate because I won't pay million ISK bounties instead... because I don't have the skills to fight yet, don't know how to fit a ship yet, and even if I did, wouldn't have the money or skills to fit a ship properly for PVP?
I'm just trying to figure out what I'm supposed to do here.
I can't survive in a WH because sleepers would kill me.
I can go to null sec if I become a member of an alliance but I can't do anything alone yet so I don't really have a business plan yet, and any plan I did have would have better skilled pilots doing it better than me and I'd also have to travel a longer way to get to a trade hub.
Also they're just as likely to think I'm a spy as new.
Or maybe I should stick to what I'm good at, non-combative mining, industrial production, moving goods around, and other hi-sec pursuits like PI.
And I guess I just won't 'learn' so much about what null people want because until now, they've been in null. |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:48:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Well, we'll see. You don't know what's going to happen either. As a matter of fact, I actually do, since I've made our plans for them. Provided we are able to take and hold the POCOs we want, we'll set a 5% tax rate for blues and neutrals, and a 50-100% tax rate for reds. And done. You train your skills up and you'll pay a total of 10% in taxes, which if I'm not mistaken is actually less than you do now. Why? While the rage and tears that we'll have the opportunity to hold the POCOs at all is valuable to us, the income stream from collecting the taxes is even more valuable, and we'd hate to drive people away. Of course if someone else is able to take them from us, you can't necessarily count on them being so benevolent. 
I'm planning to take over my own planets' COs. I won't be able to hold them though. And I'm not sure if my corpmates are into it. And even if they are, I'm not sure I have the DPS to do it. But it's floating around in my mind. |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:50:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Jythier Smith wrote: There have never been POCOs in high-sec before. There is no past behavior to judge from. But, understand the various incentives is another thing.
Are the people who get POCOs going to be griefers who just want to collect hi-sec tears by shutting us off, or do they have a profit motive to have good ferried through their POCO?
Once someone owns it I'll feel better.
There may not have been POCOs in highsec before, but they've been in every other area of space for quite a while. We can anticipate what difference they're going to make by looking at what happened when they were introduced to those other areas. The sheer number of available planets in highsec will make it nigh on impossible for any one group to control and hold on to more than a figurative handful of them, and most of those will be close to the main trade hubs and routes. I would say that as long as you're more than 5 or 6 jumps away from the hubs and the chokepoints, it'll be business as usual with 99% of the customs offices still being in NPC hands.
Who wants to be that far away from a trade hub? Back when I started, just before the Rubicon announcement of these things, at least, before I saw it, I thought, hey, I should be close to a trade hub... that will only help me. What could go wrong? |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:02:00 -
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I'm cautious, see.
At first I refused to mine below .9 because there would be rats there.
Now I know my drones can handle .7 rats.
Who knows where I'll be in a week?
Exciting, you know? |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:07:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:I don't have the skills to fight yet, don't know how to fit a ship yet, even if I did, wouldn't have the money or skills Couple of things: 1) What's the magical number of SP to be able to fight? Can you tell me? 2) What's the magical number of ISK to be able to fight? Can you tell me? 3) If you played EVE Online instead of EVE Singleplayer, you could ask other players how to fit your ships. Jythier Smith wrote:Or maybe I should stick to what I'm good at, non-combative mining, industrial production, moving goods around, and other hi-sec pursuits like PI. Everyone everywhere should just stick to the easy things that they're good at instead of stepping out of the comfort zones and getting better at other, different things. Confirming that the solution to the problem of being bored with what you do is to just keep doing it!
Oh, you think I'm bored with those things? Tragic to have such a misunderstanding of what was being said.
I'm assuming that everyone wants me to leave hisec and go do something else for my own good, and commenting on why I shouldn't do that.
Basically, the rats will kill me. And if they don't, the players will.
I prefer economic competition to combat. Combat sort of... bores me. The hi-sec stuff is very enjoyable.
Then I read a post or two about how excited someone else is to fight and loot and win and all that and I get itchy to get out there and shoot something.
So I know I'll try it someday, and hopefully it'll be a nice break from brainburning economics. |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:21:00 -
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I only run missions to get my standings up. And for the challenge. But that's more because I'm terrible at fighting.
I believe I may end up skilling up to get a Blockade Runner or whatever it is. That sounds like fun. Well, not the skill part, the running blockades part.
I actually AM new, my plan is to train a money-maker and then get a second character to do all the combat stuff without ruining my original character's money making abilities. You know, 'cuz some days, you do feel like blowing stuff up. 6 high-sec PI planets is enough to pay for a plex per character if you do it right.
I'm not limiting myself so much as simply running with a particular corp right now, and doing the sort of money-making type things to get good at that before extending into the next branch of operations. EVE is a big game. |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:25:00 -
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I'm enjoying this back and forth by the way, hope I learn something out of it.
The magic SP level, by the way, is when I have the SP to fly a ship that I can kill sleepers in. Then I can go to the WH. :D
Or when I can cloak.
But that will be a while because there are other things I'm prioritizing at the moment. IE, I can set it up to do it in a week, but I can't do it now and I don't care to quite yet.
I'm still working on lvl 2 rats. |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:32:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:I actually AM new, my plan is to train a money-maker and then get a second character to do all the combat stuff without ruining my original character's money making abilities. You know, 'cuz some days, you do feel like blowing stuff up. 6 high-sec PI planets is enough to pay for a plex per character if you do it right.. Ahhhh, so this is all about being able to play without paying as a two month old character. Well there goes what little sympathy i could muster.
No, this about being able to continue playing even though I have no more real life money to throw at a game. So we can appreciate the content that an additional player can bring or we can be all high and mighty about paying for subscriptions that don't need to be paid for. I suppose that choice is yours. |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:33:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:I only run missions to get my standings up. And for the challenge. But that's more because I'm terrible at fighting.
I believe I may end up skilling up to get a Blockade Runner or whatever it is. That sounds like fun. Well, not the skill part, the running blockades part.
I actually AM new, my plan is to train a money-maker and then get a second character to do all the combat stuff without ruining my original character's money making abilities. You know, 'cuz some days, you do feel like blowing stuff up. 6 high-sec PI planets is enough to pay for a plex per character if you do it right.
I'm not limiting myself so much as simply running with a particular corp right now, and doing the sort of money-making type things to get good at that before extending into the next branch of operations. EVE is a big game. There is no rush of course. Just beware of the the preconceived notions of life outside of high sec. I spent my 1st year in a mission running corp and was told all kinds of BS about life outside high sec. I might have left high sec earlier if not for all the fear mongering and prejudiced but seemingly well meaning "advice". i still also play in high sec btw.
What's it really like out there? |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:45:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:No, this about being able to continue playing even though I have no more real life money to throw at a game. So we can appreciate the content that an additional player can bring or we can be all high and mighty about paying for subscriptions that don't need to be paid for. I suppose that choice is yours. No, the point is suggesting that the game should be catered toward being able to be played for free by brand new players. If you can manage it, more power to you, but designing content with that as a metric is an awful idea and a painfully selfish suggestion.
I had to do serious research to find the product that I needed to make, and further, every planet I set up actually drives down the price of the product.
Is it a sandbox or not?
I also didn't skill up PVP skills or incursion skills or any number of other skills in order to skill up the planet management and command center skills, don't I get to have a benefit from that?
I skilled up accounting to get more of an edge on transaction tax, don't I get to have a benefit from that?
Don't you agree that skill at business should matter, and shouldn't it matter more than the age of your character?
I mean, what kind of a sandbox says, "No, you can't get there from here until you're older." |
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Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:49:00 -
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As for the dropping prices by .01 ISK I absolutely hate that.
I don't produce anything unless I can sell it to a buy order at a profit.
That doesn't mean I sell it to a buy order, but I always make sure I have an out just in case, because I despise the station trading games like that. Set a price and stick with it and we'll all be richer, but no, you're going to duck my price. I like to drop the price farther than a cent though because it discourages them from going below my price. At some point it's more profitable to wait for my small order to be gone and get the price back up. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:10:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:No content should ever be designed around empowering players to be able to play for free, regardless of age.
There.
Then don't sell PLEX in game for ISK. Solved.
Since they do, I'm going to get me one. :D |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Comments like this, by anyone else but a CSM member, would get the poster banned. No it really wouldn't. Humour isn't against the TOS or ROC.
Sounds like he's expressing a wish to kill more than half (some estimate) of the player base of EVE. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:15:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:No content should ever be designed around empowering players to be able to play for free, regardless of age.
There. Then don't sell PLEX in game for ISK. Solved. Since they do, I'm going to get me one. :D Nonresponsive.
Responsive to what?
Of course they shouldn't. But they have designed it exactly that way, haven't they? Should I ignore their game design, or refuse to set 600 mil as my goal per month? If I find a way to make that much money, should I ignore the obvious expenditure? Is 600 million ISK worth more than $15 to me? |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:16:00 -
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Dang, I'm such a greedy bastard.
I could do it through a number of ways but I'm doing it by providing a product that people want to buy for ISK.
I could do it by pirating, or begging, or ripping people off in any number of legal game ways.
Why is it so bad to you? |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:27:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Dang, I'm such a greedy bastard.
I could do it through a number of ways but I'm doing it by providing a product that people want to buy for ISK.
I could do it by pirating, or begging, or ripping people off in any number of legal game ways.
Why is it so bad to you? You sure are welcome to do whatever you want in the game. But what you do does not necessarily entitle you to that 600 million a month for a PLEX.
I thought I was earning the 600 million a month for a PLEX.
Is putting a business plan together, feeding raw materials into a production chain, and picking up and managing the selling of the finished product not earning it?
Can I be concerned over someone having power over that chain to A) block it or b) tax it into unprofitability?
Honestly, I'll find some other way to get there if I can't get there that way. There are plenty of ways, after all. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:27:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Tippia wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Comments like this, by anyone else but a CSM member, would get the poster banned. No it really wouldn't. Humour isn't against the TOS or ROC. Sounds like he's expressing a wish to kill more than half (some estimate) of the player base of EVE. Read the link I posted if you want to know what I actually "wish".
I read the link. A lot of those changes have happened, haven't they? |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:32:00 -
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Keep up the good work! |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:35:00 -
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Mal, did you ever come up with any ideas for limited PVP that don't involved deadspace in the hi-sec areas? |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:37:00 -
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Also, I'm really glad I hopped into this conversation, it's been very interesting and enlightening on several fronts. |
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Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:30:00 -
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Warning: Change approaching.
You will be okay. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:45:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Tippia wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:At the heart of your perceptions is the false belief that most people will respond to stimuli like you would, when in fact you and your kind are a tiny (and self marginalizing) minority way outside the norms of behavior. By the way, isn't there a term for this kind of behaviour? It's the tip of my tongueGǪ some word that appears often when Dinsdale is around. Hmm. Socialite? No, that's Paris Hilton. Socioeconomic? sociogram? Damn, it's on the tip of my tongue too, it'll come to me later I'm sure. 
Megalomaniac. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:34:00 -
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Is extraction at all worth it in hisec? So far I've just been buying T1 and T2 and manufacturing T4... |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:58:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:mynnna wrote: So, while I'm not a forum mod, I bet it's in the clear. AH, so yet another Goon/Null cartel trap designed to get the innocent Dinsdale banned from the forums, therefore silencing the one true voice of truth against evil! The above is best read while playing the X-files theme song in the background.
One should program a macro to have that song play whenever 'goonswarm' appears on a webpage. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.12 19:01:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Karaburan wrote:masternerdguy wrote:With the upcoming mobile structures and POCOs in hi sec, CCP has shown the first signs of breaking the hi seccer's dependence on NPCs for content and services.
While this is a step in the right direction, it doesn't go far enough. The more things we can hand control of to the players, the deeper and more complex this game becomes.
How would you alter hi sec to decrease dependency on NPC services and hand more content creation power to the players? The thing that makes high sec what it is, is CONCORD. That doesn't have to change. It can still be that and have a great many things that are shaped by players. All types of game-play can and should be PVP. The things that high seccers do should change things in their systems. Mining should deplete resources, Mission running should change relationships with factions, changing standings with factions should change options available. Etc... Perhaps the corporation with the highest standings at a station would have special access to certain station amenities. They get the cream of the crop missions, locations of the newest belts etc... There should be reasons to compete for resources. and being high sec, and eve there should be options of competing for who can rat/mine/mission run the best, or, just wardec them and have at it. The main point is that everything you do should change New Eden, whether small or large doesn't matter as much as that it does. Everything in eve should be cooperation or competition. Or better yet, both. In short: PvP doesn't have to mean shooting someone.
In short: I want things to be impossible for the new guy. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.13 13:32:00 -
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Everyone's a high sec player. Just some people have null sec alts. Isn't that what you're actually saying?
So since 99% of players are high-sec players, do we really want to mess around with it? I can imagine a world where null-sec is the place to be, but it really isn't for the casual player or the new player who can't really survive the rats yet. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.13 13:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:So since 99% of players are high-sec players, do we really want to mess around with it? All the more reason to do so. And no, 99% of players are not highsec players in the sense that the GÇ£highsec is a majorityGÇ¥-whingers perceive the term. Quote:I can imagine a world where null-sec is the place to be, but it really isn't for the casual player or the new player who can't really survive the rats yet. Sure it is. The myth that you can't be a newbie or a casual player in null has been and continues to be disproved every day ever since the game went live.
Just read your newbie skill plan and there's something I'm missing. I miss a lot - there's always something to learn in EVE.
If I join the goons, go to null, and become a tackler for them, where's the ISK? |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.13 16:10:00 -
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So the cry is, "Get out of hisec and live, but make sure you keep someone back there. It's stupid not to." |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.13 16:38:00 -
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As a resident new guy, I guess I approach EVE differently than some do - I refused to sign up until I had been thoroughly indoctrinated into the game by reading everything I could possibly get my hands on about it. If this is a harsh world, I don't want to be caught unaware of anything that will get me killed. Not that I mind being killed, necessarily, but it's an annoyance that I can do without at the moment. Someday I will move on to killing and being killed, I'm sure. Right now I'm working on money, because with money, I can do all that stuff. All I need to go to lo-sec is a nice frigate, but I'd rather not lose my pod, or I would have gone already.
Note, of course, when I say 'lose my pod' I mean the VALUE of my pod, which means paying a ransom for it as well as actually losing it. The pod isn't the thing, it's the paying to replace the implants and clones that will set me back. |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:34:00 -
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Well, I was enjoying the conversation. |
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Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:38:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:All I need to go to lo-sec is a nice frigate, but I'd rather not lose my pod, or I would have gone already.. Jump clones could help since you can jump into a pvp clone and keep all your implants safe. Also spamming warp to something before you pop in a fight will make your pod instawarp out. Once you learn that you will lose your pod a lot less 
So I should read up on jump clones?
I hope it isn't too long to skill up to that. Because I am itching for some PVP after reading the pirate thread in C&P. :D |

Jythier Smith
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:50:00 -
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Sweet info, thanks.
I'd heard about them. Something to think about taking on, but right now I'm getting a huge training boost from a booster that's going to disappear soon anyway. After that, I'll train this and get started on safe PVP and then... I'm coming for you. Watch out! :) |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:52:00 -
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Jythier Smith wrote:Sweet info, thanks.
I'd heard about them. Something to think about taking on, but right now I'm getting a huge training boost from a booster that's going to disappear soon anyway. After that, I'll train this and get started on safe PVP and then... I'm coming for you. Watch out! :)
This to say, "Thanks," I figure the best way to thank people for info is to give them another target to fight. :) |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
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Posted - 2013.11.13 19:18:00 -
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One. |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
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Posted - 2013.11.14 19:49:00 -
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Why do goons keep saying that? |
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