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Agent Kailethre
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS
CODE.
36
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:48:00 -
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People please stop derailing the thread.
I and many others would like some legit answers from CCP about the issues that have been raised. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
567
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:51:00 -
[32] - Quote
Read it again, Erotica1's CSM publicity stunt is the issue.  |
KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
576
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:55:00 -
[33] - Quote
PotatoOverdose wrote:Read it again, Erotica1's CSM publicity stunt is the issue.
Read it again.
While I may be an Ero supporter, my problems are with CCP picking and choosing their favorites.
First SOMER does the one major thing in EvE you are not supposed to do.
Now CCP is freely giving out skillpoints.
Wtf?
Where is the rest of ours?
Even yours? |
Zazz Razzamatazz
New Order Permit Compliance Division
12
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:57:00 -
[34] - Quote
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Read it again, Erotica1's CSM publicity stunt is the issue. Now CCP is freely giving out skillpoints.
Free skillpoints to someone who has admitted to violating the EULA!
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KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
577
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:59:00 -
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Zazz Razzamatazz wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Read it again, Erotica1's CSM publicity stunt is the issue. Now CCP is freely giving out skillpoints. Free skillpoints to someone who has admitted to violating the EULA!
Exactly.
At least some people are not complete nimrods.
+1 good sir. |
Na Und
Galactronics
90
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:59:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:
When you yell at CCP for every little thing, they start to ignore you as any sane man would ignore a raving lunatic on the street. Thus when you yell real loud over sht like this, when the next case of massive favoritism happens, they ignore you for a good long time.
Pretty much this. |
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
73
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:53:00 -
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Rekkr Nordgard wrote:Darius Johnson and Erotica 1 are both enormous douchebags; this isn't about them. This is about the fact that we're getting less and less communication from CCP over longer and longer periods of time as the scandals just keep stacking up. I don't know how Icelandic business culture is, but if the customer service people at the company I work for left such huge issues unaddressed for over a month, like CCP does, then they'd be looking for new jobs.
Also, it's now the weekend, so CCP won't even be reading this thread for another 2 days.
 Even in America and EU, customer service DOES work this way.
CCP isn't a cashier, you aren't just picking milk up from the store. It is a complicated business arrangement with contracts and terms and accounts.
Having been in business for myself at a time, I can tell you that it can take months to iron out wrinkles in business relationships. When those relationships are ever-changing the need to smooth these wrinkles out PROPERLY instead of quickly is even greater.
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Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations
Surely You're Joking
247
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:59:00 -
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Scandal's more of an american thing. The only way change happens if there is a "Scandal".
Else it would be business as usual.
Seems EVE has seeped in that model of "nothing changes", then "Scandal", then "Stuff Changes"....
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
7136
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Posted - 2013.11.09 02:34:00 -
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So many other threads got a response from CCP today.
I see Fozzie and few others piped in on a stupid picture of bourbon in the background of a video.
I see Karkur responded to someone polejocking.
Its strange that not 1 CCP employee will even say "We are looking into this" or " We hear your concerns and are discussing it internally at the moment". All they can do is pull their retired mouthpiece out of goonie drydock to hurl some 'pubbies' and 'plebs' and 'entitlements' at us.
Oh well. I don't ever expect a real response from them anyways. Ignoring problems until they go away seems to be SOP at the moment while bad decision after bad decision is piled on the failheap.
Ill just do my thing and cause hate and discontent with the occasional helpful bit and maybe a little humor once in a while..and maybe Eterne will come a emailin' again with my vacation orders. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
589
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Posted - 2013.11.09 02:35:00 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:Scandal's more of an american thing. The only way change happens if there is a "Scandal".
Else it would be business as usual.
Seems EVE has seeped in that model of "nothing changes", then "Scandal", then "Stuff Changes"....
Only in this case it is:
-Nothing changes
-Scandal
-Scandal
-Scandal
-Scandal
-....
-....
-....
-Something might change? |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
632
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Posted - 2013.11.09 04:30:00 -
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The problem with Erotica 1 is that she'll run into the same problem James ran into when running for the CSM. As in you have to give your real life info and actually sign an NDA and pay lip service to the people who bribe you with a free trip to Iceland. |
Mekkimaru
Abraxsys
Get Off My Lawn
28
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Posted - 2013.11.09 05:29:00 -
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who the hell is erotica1?
and why are people making such a fuss over one random guy getting back some sp, after losing said sp
is there proof of more people randomly getting sp?
how do i go about getting said free sp?
ccp could probably give a player 1 isk, and you people would whine about it  |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
7142
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Posted - 2013.11.09 05:41:00 -
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Mekkimaru wrote:who the hell is erotica1? and why are people making such a fuss over one random guy getting back some sp, after losing said sp is there proof of more people randomly getting sp? how do i go about getting said free sp? ccp could probably give a player 1 isk, and you people would whine about it
Its not about the SP. Its about the fact that the person in question committed a bannable act, admitted tot hat bannable act, and not only WASNT banned, but was reimbursed something that stemmed from that bannable act. CCP is unwilling to stick to their guns on their own rules lately, and its coming to a head.
As for Erotica1, She is just some person, like me, who points at the giant pink elephant in the room that everyone else is ignoring and shouts THERE IS A GIANT ******* PINK ELEPHANT RIGHT THERE, NOW ******* LOOK AT IT! it also just so happens that she runs a business within the confines of the rules of EVE (something that CCP themselves now DONT do) that makes her money, and people don't like that. |
wagashi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.11.09 06:01:00 -
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The real issue is of accountability CCP asks, no demands your unequivocal trust and that players adhere to the spirit of the rules when there is technical grey area. While doing so they waffle back and forth on what is okay and what isn't to the point where absolute zero wiggle room rules ( account sharing) become new test cases for what is permissable. I seem to remember some supers stolen by NC. under a cloud of accoumt sharing was also given a green light as it were. We as players regardless of who runs the game itself require rules and enforcement that even and logical, this is not an extreme demand. |
Aesynil
The Unit...
Valhalla Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.11.09 08:00:00 -
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Yeah,
CCP
needs
to
communicate
more.
Honestly? I'd rather have them keep up to date on updates, interesting new content, and telling me how the game is changing in general, than stamp down on every new forum drama that pops up. |
Dream Kim
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2013.11.09 08:14:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Tollen Gallen wrote:I like Cake. Given how often you say that No cake for you, you must be diabetic by now  Too true, lol. But seriously, guys. On topic here. I want to know if CCP is even aware that EvE exists anymore. All I ever see is Guard, Fozzie, and Rise......sometimes Falcon. I guess now they are outsourcing EvE to former employees.
Please don't forget CCP Seagul. She is ******* awesome. |
adarma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2013.11.09 08:26:00 -
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Aesynil wrote:
Honestly? I'd rather have them tell us about updates and new content, than stamp down on every new forum drama that pops up.
Right and in addition to these, some of us perhaps want them to fix the dramas that they create. |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
577
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Posted - 2013.11.09 08:56:00 -
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Silence from CCP? Or is it just that CCPGÇÖs representatives like any other sane person only opens GD as entertainment, similar to the Sunday comics section, you donGÇÖt take it seriously because the trolls, backseat drivers, Monday morning politicos, and general lack of anything intelligent deserves exactly that, Nothing.
Want a stake in the company buy some stock in Novator or General Catalyst, about $600mil in either will give you some executive power, and then you can drive the company into the ground with your grassroots ideas and high school diploma
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Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations
Surely You're Joking
1906
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Posted - 2013.11.09 09:01:00 -
[49] - Quote
Goldiiee wrote:Silence from CCP? Or is it just that CCPGÇÖs representatives like any other sane person only opens GD as entertainment, similar to the Sunday comics section, you donGÇÖt take it seriously because the trolls, backseat drivers, Monday morning politicos, and general lack of anything intelligent deserves exactly that, Nothing.
Want a stake in the company buy some stock in Novator or General Catalyst, about $600mil in either will give you some executive power, and then you can drive the company into the ground with your grassroots ideas and high school diploma
It's more likely they just aren't out of bed yet. |
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
74
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Posted - 2013.11.09 09:15:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Its not about the SP. Its about the fact that the person in question committed a bannable act, admitted tot hat bannable act, and not only WASNT banned, but was reimbursed something that stemmed from that bannable act. CCP is unwilling to stick to their guns on their own rules lately, and its coming to a head.
As for Erotica1, She is just some person, like me, who points at the giant pink elephant in the room that everyone else is ignoring and shouts THERE IS A GIANT ******* PINK ELEPHANT RIGHT THERE, NOW ******* LOOK AT IT! it also just so happens that she runs a business within the confines of the rules of EVE (something that CCP themselves now DONT do) that makes her money, and people don't like that.
More like...
Player 1 lies every day. Has the filthiest of reputations for inciting random drama for publicity, is well known by just about everyone to always say things that are not the truth.
Now do I trust player 1 to accurately retell the facts in an unbiased manner? |
Solstice Project
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
4422
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Posted - 2013.11.09 09:39:00 -
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I like Tollen Gallen. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate
WHY so Seri0Us
2452
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:05:00 -
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Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:More like...
Player 1 lies every day. Has the filthiest of reputations for inciting random drama for publicity, is well known by just about everyone to always say things that are not the truth.
Now do I trust player 1 to accurately retell the facts in an unbiased manner?
Do you trust EVE's API system to give you accurate and reliable numbers? 'cause that's where the information came from. |
Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
112
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:27:00 -
[53] - Quote
Get this. Maybe CCP actually cares about ALL of their playerbase, and not just the popular "emergent content" generating groups that are seemingly trying to find all sorts of ways to make the lesser players unsubscribe? Maybe CCP as a business sees posting a response on this forum about this topic as a huge and unnecessary risk to their subscriber numbers?
Or I guess the ideas of people unsubscribing over months of assets and progression lost to activities not related to any CCP envisioned EVE experience and simple business risk assessment are just too outlandish for the high-denizens of EVE to understand. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
633
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:38:00 -
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The other things were shady, and the whole "CCP hasn't said a thing" is getting a bit tiresome, but i personally agree with the skillpoint reimbursement. That player has, afterall, paid for all that time. Hardly his fault to fall for Erotica's room of tear collection, even if he was sharing passwords with his brother, or if his brother doesn't even exist. Erotica has demonstrated repeatedly his ability to fool people into believing his lies, for the promises of riches which they will never recieve. Personally, i think podding someone over and over for just such twisted amusement is the hight of bad-play, and their "bonus-room" is nothing but a place where they exploit the vulnerable for their own selfish pleasure. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
616
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:47:00 -
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Dream Kim wrote:
Please don't forget CCP Seagul. She is ******* awesome.
I can confirm the Seagull is indeed awesome.
Too bad we cannot get some information on scandal after scandal.
Like what they were thinking....
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Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
74
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Posted - 2013.11.10 00:35:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:More like...
Player 1 lies every day. Has the filthiest of reputations for inciting random drama for publicity, is well known by just about everyone to always say things that are not the truth.
Now do I trust player 1 to accurately retell the facts in an unbiased manner? Do you trust EVE's API system to give you accurate and reliable numbers? 'cause that's where the information came from.
Really? The API system tells you who was using the account at any given time? It also tells you that they acquired the password and username in a consensual manner?
Damn devs. that is some API. |
Bao Xi
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
45
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Posted - 2013.11.10 00:39:00 -
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Darius JOHNSON wrote:Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Because a former employee clearly represents an entire company.
Also why do CCP owe it to Erotica1 to discuss their handling of a support ticket regarding another player? That's sort of stupid for any business to do. Stop you're ruining their transparent attempts to manufacture drama to draw attention to whomever the **** erotica 1 is in the hopes he gets a free trip to Iceland.
Sir, please calm down. |
Bao Xi
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
45
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Posted - 2013.11.10 00:44:00 -
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Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Its not about the SP. Its about the fact that the person in question committed a bannable act, admitted tot hat bannable act, and not only WASNT banned, but was reimbursed something that stemmed from that bannable act. CCP is unwilling to stick to their guns on their own rules lately, and its coming to a head.
As for Erotica1, She is just some person, like me, who points at the giant pink elephant in the room that everyone else is ignoring and shouts THERE IS A GIANT ******* PINK ELEPHANT RIGHT THERE, NOW ******* LOOK AT IT! it also just so happens that she runs a business within the confines of the rules of EVE (something that CCP themselves now DONT do) that makes her money, and people don't like that.
More like... Player 1 lies every day. Has the filthiest of reputations for inciting random drama for publicity, is well known by just about everyone to always say things that are not the truth. Now do I trust player 1 to accurately retell the facts in an unbiased manner?
I hope you are aware that none of this is based on simple hearsay. The entire thing was well documented. I have dozens of Heavy Rayne corpses in my hangar.
Heavy Rayne tried to blame his brother for his actions. This is after he threatened to violate the EULA by logging in to his brother's account. Heavy Rayne wasn't the victim of his brother, or anybody else. He was willing to victimize his brother.
What was the punishment for his untoward behaviour? None. No punishment whatsoever.
It would seem he was actually rewarded for his bad behaviour, given that he enjoyed the company of the Bonus Room crowd while he was being podded, only to have those pods reversed by CCP. Rayne was fully aware of what was happening. That much is evident within the TS recordings.
In this case, the facts, which are well documented, speak for themselves. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
629
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Posted - 2013.11.10 00:45:00 -
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Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:ElQuirko wrote:Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:More like...
Player 1 lies every day. Has the filthiest of reputations for inciting random drama for publicity, is well known by just about everyone to always say things that are not the truth.
Now do I trust player 1 to accurately retell the facts in an unbiased manner? Do you trust EVE's API system to give you accurate and reliable numbers? 'cause that's where the information came from. Really? The API system tells you who was using the account at any given time? It also tells you that they acquired the password and username in a consensual manner? Damn devs. that is some API.
Not to mention a long line of teamspeak recordings and other logs.
Nah, but an API does show EvEMails revealing to the corp's CEO that there were account sharing issues.
So, yea. I guess the actual PEOPLE playing on the account are liars.
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Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
74
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Posted - 2013.11.10 00:54:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:ElQuirko wrote:Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:More like...
Player 1 lies every day. Has the filthiest of reputations for inciting random drama for publicity, is well known by just about everyone to always say things that are not the truth.
Now do I trust player 1 to accurately retell the facts in an unbiased manner? Do you trust EVE's API system to give you accurate and reliable numbers? 'cause that's where the information came from. Really? The API system tells you who was using the account at any given time? It also tells you that they acquired the password and username in a consensual manner? Damn devs. that is some API. Not to mention a long line of teamspeak recordings and other logs. Nah, but an API does show EvEMails revealing to the corp's CEO that there were account sharing issues. So, yea. I guess the actual PEOPLE playing on the account are liars.
Wow yeah, pretty conclusive evidence.
Good thing Erotica linked all that data. Or you'd have to be some kind of touched to think the games most popular scammer isn't, you know, scamming.
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