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Stephra Parle	Posted - 2006.02.13 13:46:00 - [1] Simple question: are these missiles worth the investment time in training Cruise Missiles to level 5? I'm thinking of use mainly on a Stealth Bomber for an anti-interceptor role before I fit them to a Raven, but I'm looking at 24 days of training the things up (stupid low perception charater...)
Cavy Dan	Posted - 2006.02.13 13:49:00 - [2] According to my corpmate, the T2 Cruise Launcher has too much CPU to be fitted on a stealthbomber.
Shaemell Buttleson	Posted - 2006.02.13 13:53:00 - [3] Cavy your corpmate is talking rubbish. Also it's worth learning to use T2 launchers even if you don't use the T2 missiles as you get a better ROF from these launchers. On a raven you have no fitting issues with them either.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.02.13 13:59:00 - [4] Prescision Cruise are UBER. However, given the hidden explosion radius bonus to stealths I'm not sure how much better it would be compared to how good they are on a Raven. Anyone else find this little discussion depressing? (bombers = anti BIG ships, ffs) Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.02.13 14:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Maya Rkell Anyone else find this little discussion depressing? (bombers = anti BIG ships, ffs) As long as they arent torps, I am OK with it. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! RAWRRRRRRR!!1 - Imaran Wrangler, stealing Eris pink since a few days ago. We always knew you had a thing for pink - Vanamonde
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.13 14:08:00 - [6] Originally by: Cavy Dan According to my corpmate, the T2 Cruise Launcher has too much CPU to be fitted on a stealthbomber. I assume he's using a manticore? -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron POKEMON -eris Jacques was 'ere Capsicum still is
Stephra Parle	Posted - 2006.02.13 14:13:00 - [7] Originally by: Maya Rkell Prescision Cruise are UBER. However, given the hidden explosion radius bonus to stealths I'm not sure how much better it would be compared to how good they are on a Raven. I was thing more of the Precision Cruise Missiles' explosion velocity rather than their explosion radius. I am just sick and tired of Interceptors becoming completely immune to my bomber's missiles simply by flying headlong towards their targets at 3000m/s
Jon Hawkes	Posted - 2006.02.13 14:17:00 - [8] Originally by: Cavy Dan According to my corpmate, the T2 Cruise Launcher has too much CPU to be fitted on a stealthbomber. With Weapons Upgrades 5, these modules will only take up 49.5 CPU each, so should fit on a bomber with no real problems. You may have to fit a MAPC to account for the extra powergrid usage however. ~Free production, refining and POS resouces site~
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2006.02.13 14:36:00 - [9] Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 13/02/2006 14:37:07 Originally by: Maya Rkell Anyone else find this little discussion depressing? (bombers = anti BIG ships, ffs) Ummm, according to what? I don't see the "anti big ship" role anywhere in the ship descriptions, and the explosion radius bonus specifically points towards bombers being anti-small-ship platforms in EVE (note emphasis).
Cavy Dan	Posted - 2006.02.13 14:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Cavy Dan According to my corpmate, the T2 Cruise Launcher has too much CPU to be fitted on a stealthbomber. I assume he's using a manticore? Yup. His answer was of 3 launchers.
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.02.13 15:02:00 - [11] Could you not use fury cruise on a stealth bomber and get decent damage against larger ship? From what little experience i have of stealth bombers, they hit frigs for good damage as long as the target velocity isnt too high. I dont think precision cruise will help much, but i could be wrong Whats the damage of fury cruise like? My Latest Vid (16/11/05)
Morrigu Storm	Posted - 2006.02.13 15:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Cavy Dan Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Cavy Dan According to my corpmate, the T2 Cruise Launcher has too much CPU to be fitted on a stealthbomber. I assume he's using a manticore? Yup. His answer was of 3 launchers. Manticore can fit 3 T2 Cruiser launchers. The biggest problem is fitting anything else as well. So after the benefit of having 3 launchers compared to all the other races 2 means that they are not uber in comparison at all, as the 3 others can fit ballistic mods quite easily in comparison when they fit the T2 launchers.
Jon Hawkes	Posted - 2006.02.13 15:23:00 - [13] Edited by: Jon Hawkes on 13/02/2006 15:24:05 Originally by: Eyeshadow Could you not use fury cruise on a stealth bomber and get decent damage against larger ship? That could be a very good idea, as the Explosion Radius bonus of the Bomber should give some very nice hits against a cruiser, and the capacitor penalty won't really affect them too badly, seeing as tanking a Bomber is not an option. The cruiser would need to be prevented from locking the Bomber, either by using Sensor Jammers/Dampeners, or by staying at range. I suppose you'd also need a tackler to keep the target in place, but with good skills, you could be getting hits of over 600HP per missile before resistances. ~Free production, refining and POS resouces site~
Cavy Dan	Posted - 2006.02.13 15:52:00 - [14] He could fit three launchers, but then he couldn't fit much else.
Amarr knight	Posted - 2006.02.13 16:05:00 - [15] Originally by: Eyeshadow Could you not use fury cruise on a stealth bomber and get decent damage against larger ship? From what little experience i have of stealth bombers, they hit frigs for good damage as long as the target velocity isnt too high. I dont think precision cruise will help much, but i could be wrong Whats the damage of fury cruise like? Fury has a bit more damage then precision(360 vs 300). But that comes at a very high cost as fury has less then half the speed of precision (1750 vs 3750), half the explosion radius (500 vs 1000) and a whooping 20% cap recharge penalty. So not really worth it in most cases.
Harlequinn	Posted - 2006.02.13 16:20:00 - [16] Originally by: Stephra Parle Simple question: are these missiles worth the investment time in training Cruise Missiles to level 5? I'm thinking of use mainly on a Stealth Bomber for an anti-interceptor role before I fit them to a Raven, but I'm looking at 24 days of training the things up (stupid low perception charater...) While the T2 cruise can be fitted to a stealth bomber the question remains: is it worth it? The way I use my bomber, mainly focusing on it's burst damage potential, the ROF bonuses might not be worth the sacrifices I would have to make to my mid-slots. Fury cruise missiles might make the difference just by adding to the burst damage. The capacitor loss is no big deal if the target is killed in in one or two volleys. I am really looking forward to trying these on my bombers. I am less hopeful about the precision cruise missiles though. The improved explosion radius of these missiles seems to me a redundant bonus on the bomber. The deciding factor will be in how well the doubled explosion velocity of the precision cruise affects the damage done on ships traveling 3k-5k m/s. I'm not entirley sure how that affects the missile damage formula, but even if it doubles the damage I am currently doing to fast moving ships: it won't be enough. I remain doubtful about a bomber's chances of ganking inty's and other simmilary small, fast ships. My thoughts are not based on experience using T2 cruise though as I am currently training that up, but instead on how I think they will work. So, hopefully I'm wrong. It would be nice to stand a chance against un-webbed intys and interdictors, but it might make the bombers a bit to powerful. I read it once described as the tech 2 frigate rock/scissiors/paper where: Assault frigs > Interceptors Interceptors > Bombers Bombers > Assault Frigs My bet is that balance is maintained even with T2 cruise. --Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none.--
Harlequinn	Posted - 2006.02.13 16:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Amarr knight Originally by: Eyeshadow Could you not use fury cruise on a stealth bomber and get decent damage against larger ship? From what little experience i have of stealth bombers, they hit frigs for good damage as long as the target velocity isnt too high. I dont think precision cruise will help much, but i could be wrong Whats the damage of fury cruise like? Fury has a bit more damage then precision(360 vs 300). But that comes at a very high cost as fury has less then half the speed of precision (1750 vs 3750), half the explosion radius (500 vs 1000) and a whooping 20% cap recharge penalty. So not really worth it in most cases. The explosion radius affects the bomber a lot less than most ships because of the bomber's bonuses and would only mean they aren't sutiable for engaging frigs. The speed would mean you'd have to attack at short range to be sure of quick kills. IMO this is the worst of the negatives as it applies to bomber's because it gives your opponent more time to react. The bomber harldy uses cap when it attacks, so the recharge penalty isn't a huge one. At most I'm running 2 sensor boosters and a 20 km scrambler. I have yet to run out of cap in a bomber except when warping of course. All in all, a fair trade if they will hurt cruisers, BS, and industrials more. Often though, it will be hard to know what you are facing before hand, and you can't change ammo while cloaked. On second thought though the precision cruise missiles will be pretty good at getting most frigates, the explosion radius bonus might not be as redundant as I first thought. I'm still doubtfull as to thier ability to kill inty's though. --Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none.--
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.02.13 16:51:00 - [18] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 13/02/2006 16:54:15 Originally by: Eyeshadow Could you not use fury cruise on a stealth bomber and get decent damage against larger ship? From what little experience i have of stealth bombers, they hit frigs for good damage as long as the target velocity isnt too high. I dont think precision cruise will help much, but i could be wrong Whats the damage of fury cruise like? Unless someone is target painting them, miserable. Bombers are ONLY useful against smaller ships. Bombers should ditch the stealth gimmick, get tougher and use heavy rockets... Harlequinn, why use a R/P/S model? You're forcing the entirety of a very complex balance into a shoehorned role where you basic hull decides the fight. Apart from the plain fact that a Bomber shouldn't be able to scratch a frigate, Bombers have a hard time single-shotting AF's (and if they're within scrambler range, they won't get a second shot because AFs have the range to respond, unlike inities). And I for one kill AF's 1v1 on a regular basis in an Inty. Up that to 2v2, and the dynamic changes. The natural balance model works FAR better for Eve and allows player skill. Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command
Johnny Johnny	Posted - 2006.02.13 16:52:00 - [19] Edited by: Johnny Johnny on 13/02/2006 16:53:43 Originally by: Stephra Parle Originally by: Maya Rkell Prescision Cruise are UBER. However, given the hidden explosion radius bonus to stealths I'm not sure how much better it would be compared to how good they are on a Raven. I was thing more of the Precision Cruise Missiles' explosion velocity rather than their explosion radius. I am just sick and tired of Interceptors becoming completely immune to my bomber's missiles simply by flying headlong towards their targets at 3000m/s Was testing the other day, if an Inty drops below 3400 m/s, my precision cruise do 150 - 200 dmg/missile. edit:That's on my scorp. Raven is higher, and I imagine that the Stealth Bomber would be higher. ------------- Johnny Johnny ------------- Some people are like a Slinky.....not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs.
Nafri	Posted - 2006.02.13 16:53:00 - [20] Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Eyeshadow Could you not use fury cruise on a stealth bomber and get decent damage against larger ship? From what little experience i have of stealth bombers, they hit frigs for good damage as long as the target velocity isnt too high. I dont think precision cruise will help much, but i could be wrong Whats the damage of fury cruise like? Unless someone is target painting them, miserable. Bombers are ONLY useful against smaller ships. Bombers should ditch the stealth gimmick, get tougher and use heavy rockets... or just give em torps, much better
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.02.13 16:56:00 - [21] So now they have to close with their stealth to within 15 km to kill anything? And they will only really be effective against a few ships? There's PLENTY of reasons 4 heavy rockets, no stealth and toughness are better than stealth and 2 torps. Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command
Harlequinn	Posted - 2006.02.13 17:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 13/02/2006 16:54:15 Harlequinn, why use a R/P/S model? You're forcing the entirety of a very complex balance into a shoehorned role where you basic hull decides the fight. It's not an absolute by a long shot, but as a general rule of thumb it's not that inaccurate. --Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none.--
Johnny Johnny	Posted - 2006.02.13 17:04:00 - [23] Originally by: Maya Rkell So now they have to close with their stealth to within 15 km to kill anything? And they will only really be effective against a few ships? There's PLENTY of reasons 4 heavy rockets, no stealth and toughness are better than stealth and 2 torps. They have that already, it's called a Kestrel. ------------- Johnny Johnny ------------- Some people are like a Slinky.....not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs.
Harlequinn	Posted - 2006.02.13 17:09:00 - [24] Originally by: Johnny Johnny Edited by: Johnny Johnny on 13/02/2006 16:53:43 Originally by: Stephra Parle Originally by: Maya Rkell Prescision Cruise are UBER. However, given the hidden explosion radius bonus to stealths I'm not sure how much better it would be compared to how good they are on a Raven. I was thing more of the Precision Cruise Missiles' explosion velocity rather than their explosion radius. I am just sick and tired of Interceptors becoming completely immune to my bomber's missiles simply by flying headlong towards their targets at 3000m/s Was testing the other day, if an Inty drops below 3400 m/s, my precision cruise do 150 - 200 dmg/missile. edit:That's on my scorp. Raven is higher, and I imagine that the Stealth Bomber would be higher. HOLY BLEEPIN BLEEP! /me Rushes out for some preception and willpower implants! C'mon cruise level 5, C'MON! Papa needs some new missiles! --Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none.--
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.02.13 17:15:00 - [25] With kinetic fury cruise I do a 110 damage more per launcher with a manticore. It's explosion radius is like 42 or something. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Johnny Johnny	Posted - 2006.02.13 17:16:00 - [26] Originally by: Harlequinn Was testing the other day, if an Inty drops below 3400 m/s, my precision cruise do 150 - 200 dmg/missile. edit:That's on my scorp. Raven is higher, and I imagine that the Stealth Bomber would be higher. HOLY BLEEPIN BLEEP! /me Rushes out for some preception and willpower implants! C'mon cruise level 5, C'MON! Papa needs some new missiles! That's with precision Paradise on shield, so basically unresisted. But still...... ------------- Johnny Johnny ------------- Some people are like a Slinky.....not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs.
Harlequinn	Posted - 2006.02.13 17:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Johnny Johnny Originally by: Harlequinn Was testing the other day, if an Inty drops below 3400 m/s, my precision cruise do 150 - 200 dmg/missile. edit:That's on my scorp. Raven is higher, and I imagine that the Stealth Bomber would be higher. HOLY BLEEPIN BLEEP! /me Rushes out for some preception and willpower implants! C'mon cruise level 5, C'MON! Papa needs some new missiles! That's with precision Paradise on shield, so basically unresisted. But still...... Yeah, and thats without a ship damage bonus or the bomber's explosion radius bonus... YARR!! --Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none.--
Stephra Parle	Posted - 2006.02.13 17:33:00 - [28] Originally by: Harlequinn ...Yeah, and thats without a ship damage bonus or the bomber's explosion radius bonus... YARR!! That's it, I'm training for some of those puppies!
Ashelth	Posted - 2006.02.13 19:55:00 - [29] Originally by: Cavy Dan According to my corpmate, the T2 Cruise Launcher has too much CPU to be fitted on a stealthbomber. LOL I fit 2x cruise IIs and 2x bcus on my purifier with precision cruise (3 missiles to pop a t1 frig)

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