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Beckett Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:16:00 -
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This one is like a rage post even if I am not angry in fact.
I don't like the ECM game mechanics.
I don't like it because it is only about not letting players play.
Damping is good because even if it restrain your lock range or your locking time it is possible in some condition to do something.
Same thing for neutralizers even if I find them unfair for Amarr and Gallente in regard of Minmatars, that can always shoot while neutralized.
But ECM is really defferent. When you are ECM you can simply do nothing. Needless to talk about the frustration of not be able to play your ship.
But it simply kill any tactical game.
I think it is not an interestening gameplay. I have all the skill to fly a Rook or a Falcon. I fly them sometimes, but in fact I don't like it. I don't like to be ECM and I don't like ECM someone because it is only antigame...
It is true that in fleet it is quite different because there are choices to do . But in small gangs against lone targets it is only a ****...
Yes it is only my opinion. But I wanted to share it here... |
Anomaly One
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:19:00 -
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I like your corp name
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
996
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:20:00 -
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Yes, we know... |
Felicity Love
Nighthawk Exploration
981
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:22:00 -
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Beckett Firesnake wrote:This one is like a rage post even if I am not angry in fact.
I don't like the ECM game mechanics.
Yes it is only my opinion. But I wanted to share it here...
Grrrrrr.... Goon "Sharing" thread. 
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Renegade Heart
The MIneral Munchers
21
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:23:00 -
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Beckett Firesnake wrote:When you are ECM you can simply do nothing
there are counters to ECM too - counter ECM, drones, auto-targetting missiles |
Kalrissia
Golden Talon Industries
Total Justification
17
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:25:00 -
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Don't forget the smartbombs. Shiny. |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Time and all Eternity
HumAnnoyeD
115
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Posted - 2013.11.09 13:27:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Beckett Firesnake wrote:When you are ECM you can simply do nothing there are counters to ECM too - counter ECM, drones, auto-targetting missiles
God forbid someone fits an ECCM . . . |
Arduemont
The State of War.
2334
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Posted - 2013.11.09 14:37:00 -
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In principle neuts are basically the same, why don't we ever see anyone whining about neuts? They stop you from doing anything to your target unless you using certain things. Same with ECM.
If your worried about ECM, fit ECCM, or use drones as your primary damage type, or keep at a distance and damp them, or neut them or bring your own ******* ECM. If your soloing and your engaging someone who is bringing ECM with something you can't counter ECM with then you already ****** up. |
Starbuck05
The Mjolnir Bloc
Talons Of Blood
32
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Posted - 2013.11.09 14:42:00 -
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then i would assume u don't like gate camps either ? cause it doesn't let people play instead of getting sent back to station ? |
Beckett Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.11.09 17:14:00 -
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If Neutralizer, and Damps were exactly the same thing than ECM, why don't we see more Celestis or Curses in fleets? |
Baaldor
In Igne Morim
Easily Excited
188
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Posted - 2013.11.09 17:45:00 -
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Beckett Firesnake wrote:If Neutralizer, and Damps were exactly the same thing than ECM, why don't we see more Celestis or Curses in fleets?
Besides the usual Brobirds, you will find quite often especially in small gang, Nuetgeddons and your Celestis.
Also, during the steamrolling of Fountain..CFC employed a metricfuckton of damps. |
GreenSeed
723
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:41:00 -
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if people keep complaining CCP might actually have to do something about it.
oh well, as many pople have already pointed out ECCM is nice and RECCM is even nicer, the problem is, if you don't face ECM, the ECCM does nothing, and even if you do face ECM, ECCM just lowers the chance, not the effect.
compare SeBos to ECCM, SeBos reduce the dampening effect, while also allowing you to lock faster on AFs, Pods, etc.. ECCM simply makes it less likely that you will end up sitting a 20 second jam.
i think, ECCM should reduce jam time in addition to reducing jam chance.
but hey, the **** do i know, right? |
Good Posting
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:02:00 -
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Beckett Firesnake wrote:If Neutralizer, and Damps were exactly the same thing than ECM, why don't we see more Celestis or Curses in fleets?
I've been in many CFC blobs with the support of Celtis fleets... Megathron and Celestis doctrines are the reason why Test is "having a lot of fun!!" in slumsec. |
SpoonRECKLESS
Bumper R Us
87
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:03:00 -
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Beckett Firesnake wrote:This one is like a rage post even if I am not angry in fact.
I don't like the ECM game mechanics.
I don't like it because it is only about not letting players play.
Damping is good because even if it restrain your lock range or your locking time it is possible in some condition to do something.
Same thing for neutralizers even if I find them unfair for Amarr and Gallente in regard of Minmatars, that can always shoot while neutralized.
But ECM is really defferent. When you are ECM you can simply do nothing. Needless to talk about the frustration of not be able to play your ship.
But it simply kill any tactical game.
I think it is not an interestening gameplay. I have all the skill to fly a Rook or a Falcon. I fly them sometimes, but in fact I don't like it. I don't like to be ECM and I don't like ECM someone because it is only antigame...
It is true that in fleet it is quite different because there are choices to do . But in small gangs against lone targets it is only a ****...
Yes it is only my opinion. But I wanted to share it here...
Dude Ive seen vids of rooks killing ships solo bc and such things. Your a support ship so its kinda gonna be this way.ECM is fine if you don't like it switch over to the other Ewar ships I hear the Pilgrim is fun to fly. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
12312
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:06:00 -
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Beckett Firesnake wrote:If Neutralizer, and Damps were exactly the same thing than ECM, why don't we see more Celestis or Curses in fleets?
ahaha good one 9/10 |
Aivo Dresden
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
109
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:10:00 -
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He's just upset because earlier his BC got ganked by a fleet of 4 and blames it entirely on the Blackbird jamming his ship in to oblivion. Clearly he would have walked away unharmed, if it had been a Celestis instead. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
895
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:26:00 -
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Beckett Firesnake wrote:If Neutralizer, and Damps were exactly the same thing than ECM, why don't we see more Celestis or Curses in fleets?
subjective perception |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
7156
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:56:00 -
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Its like this is the first time a goonfleet has encountered a Falcon before....
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Beckett Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.11.09 20:50:00 -
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I just think that ECM are not an interestening game mechanic. |
turmajin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.11.09 21:45:00 -
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My personnal feeling is ECCM should give you something apart from just countering ECM.My suggestion is a slight . reduction in SIG Radius making it harder for ships to lock on and track you.As has been pointed out by GRREN SEED SeBos gives you advantages outside of countering Damps.With faster locks and better tracking ect. |
Baaldor
In Igne Morim
Easily Excited
188
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Posted - 2013.11.10 00:16:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:if people keep complaining CCP might actually have to do something about it.
Maybe, or they just might just lead the whiners into a Razor gate camp again...
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Krimishkev
The Revolutionaries
33
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Posted - 2013.11.10 00:20:00 -
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Seriously, this is the most necrotic horse in existence.
0/10 |
Caviar Liberta
Moira.
Villore Accords
208
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Posted - 2013.11.10 01:09:00 -
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Beckett Firesnake wrote:I just think that ECM are not an interestening game mechanic.
When ECM lands on grid you make to it go poof.
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Diogenes The Dog
Viziam
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.11.10 07:53:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Beckett Firesnake wrote:I just think that ECM are not an interestening game mechanic. When ECM lands on grid you make to it go poof.
You mean when ECM decloaks 100km away from your fleet after you are already engaged. |
Yummy Chocolate
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
2231
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Posted - 2013.11.10 09:02:00 -
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Reporting in for my daily dose of space aids and/or space herpes. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate
WHY so Seri0Us
2478
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:46:00 -
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Starbuck05 wrote:then i would assume u don't like gate camps either ? cause it doesn't let people play instead of getting sent back to station ?
Well that was a stupid thing to say. Gate camps allow you the opportunity to escape or defeat the camp. ECM combined with a point gives you the opportunity to sit there and hopelessly spam ctrl+click whilst you die. |
Snakebyte Jack
Grand Theft Astr0
12
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:37:00 -
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Beckett Firesnake wrote:This one is like a rage post even if I am not angry in fact.
I don't like the ECM game mechanics.
I don't like it because it is only about not letting players play.
Damping is good because even if it restrain your lock range or your locking time it is possible in some condition to do something.
Same thing for neutralizers even if I find them unfair for Amarr and Gallente in regard of Minmatars, that can always shoot while neutralized.
But ECM is really defferent. When you are ECM you can simply do nothing. Needless to talk about the frustration of not be able to play your ship.
But it simply kill any tactical game.
I think it is not an interestening gameplay. I have all the skill to fly a Rook or a Falcon. I fly them sometimes, but in fact I don't like it. I don't like to be ECM and I don't like ECM someone because it is only antigame...
It is true that in fleet it is quite different because there are choices to do . But in small gangs against lone targets it is only a ****...
Yes it is only my opinion. But I wanted to share it here...
I can almost read your broken english. Well done. |
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