Stop playing dust and just let it die?

but stoicfaux points out that this is a different crowd. Indeed it is. If I had to put up with "Eve stuff" to do FPS, I'd play another FPS. People come to Eve to play Eve, and to FPS to kill and be killed with more simplicity. Adding espionage and subterfuge to an FPS might be unwise.

Or possibly.... CCP is not 'falling into the same trap'
But taking steps because the player base is becoming increasingly hostile to each other and using lower & lower tricks to exploit the system.
Look at yourselves first before you start blaming CCP.

The reality check that is needed is this: If CCP was making DUST 514 just to make an FPS, DUST never had a chance. There's way too much money in Battlefield and Call of Duty. It's like trying to get people to watch your sports show while the Superbowl is on. CoD and BF will pretty much always dominate the traditional multiplayer FPS space. (However, the scifi nerds are probably happy to watch scifi instead of the Superbowl.)

DUST is a strategy FPS for people who want a deep rich MMO universe where decisions matter. People play DUST for the sandbox. Because if people were going to play a game for the FPS and the FPS alone, it wouldn't be DUST. CCP doesn't have the resources dedicated to DUST to compete with Call of Duty or Battlefield directly.

Their best bets are:
- Gun gameplay should rely heavily on our scifi genre. Different planet types, varying gravity, stuff that would be out of place in a regular FPS.
- Heavy implementation of the sandbox.

Honestly, post --->here<---. Most people in GD don't give a fck about dust.

DUST514 Corp Leaders are getting favoritism over EVE Corp Leaders.
Recently several of us have been doing very bad things to corps from within. Corp Espionage has been and should always be considered normal to meta game play in New Eden. it is part of what makes what we do special. We started our plans over 7 months ago and started pulling the triggers on multiple corps in the last few days... In a true sandbox game if you don't do your homework you will get burned HARD. These corps were aligning against some equities we support and decided now was the time.

Recently in several espionage operations GMs have been stepping in to stop or delay corps with DUST members from being taken over rightfully by our team of crack black box operators using normal and well documented espionage methods which I will not go into here. This is an unfair protection of corps with DUST members. I will not post the GMs comments but suffice to say they are hand holding the corps with DUST members and intervening on their behalf to save them unfairly.

Failure of the Build
Clearly all Corps and their leaders SHOULD definitely have access to their shares in EVE and DUST514. Majority DUST514 Corps should not have to have an EVE alt join them to become part of an alliance. Those however are not exploits they are failures of the game build at this time and much higher priority should be placed on getting the code written to allow corps to manage their corps on an equal basis with EVE corp leaders. Additionally EVE leaders should have the same parity to issue DUST specific roles which were recently introduced.

Definitely not an Exploit
At no point were any of the conspiring alts made CEO to cause the shares to be created in the first place, and in a true sandbox game if you do not do your homework and learn you will get burned. Let them burn. I was the second one in for every case, they all had EVE members besides me with experience and therefore we were operating clearly within the mechanics of the game. GMs jumping in the way they did shows favoritism for DUST514 members which paying EVE players NEVER get.

Examples:
While not related to me it is a good example: A corp believes there is a bug and towards the end it comes out the espionage agent was really good at covering his tracks and the CEO/Director is unable to understand what is happening to him. How is this the espionage operators fault? It isn't. The purpose of Espionage involves sewing deception and confusion into their ranks to further cause issues. (as a side note I spoke with the agent that did this, In their corp channel the corp members began threatening the espionage agents real life afterwards. Not the kind of people we want talking to kids who may be playing the game if you ask me. ) https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=119273&find=unread

In this next case the CEO is reasonably expected to be upset, they just had their corp stolen, however they went and begged for help and were given an unfair protection from GMs because they "dont know the rules". If I did this in EVE I would have gotten a "Too bad man, HTFU." This espionage is clearly not an exploit as they had admitted to having a great deal of very experienced members in EVE in their corp the whole time, and the leaders were not very smart about their choices. (Also this was legendary in the rage posting from their whole alliance in their EVEmails to me for the last two days. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=119973

Opportunity for Course Correction
So we ask for parity... Corps with DUST leadership should not get special treatment and protections and CCP should really consider putting a priority on ensuring equality and access to roles for EVE and DUST514 leaders managing a corp. Also please consider merging the DUST514 forums into the EVE forums so the DUST players can learn and not suffer in isolation any longer.

This. I'm having a tough time sympathizing with the OP's botched attempt to mercilessly grief other players.

I wonder if EVE's current sociopathic cesspit of a playerbase is really what CCP envisioned in 2003.

This game was designed to be a microcosm of society with many restrictions removed.

DUST514 Corp Leaders are getting favoritism over EVE Corp Leaders.
Recently several of us have been doing very bad things to corps from within. Corp Espionage has been and should always be considered normal to meta game play in New Eden. it is part of what makes what we do special. We started our plans over 7 months ago and started pulling the triggers on multiple corps in the last few days... In a true sandbox game if you don't do your homework you will get burned HARD. These corps were aligning against some equities we support and decided now was the time.

Recently in several espionage operations GMs have been stepping in to stop or delay corps with DUST members from being taken over rightfully by our team of crack black box operators using normal and well documented espionage methods which I will not go into here. This is an unfair protection of corps with DUST members. I will not post the GMs comments but suffice to say they are hand holding the corps with DUST members and intervening on their behalf to save them unfairly.

Failure of the Build
Clearly all Corps and their leaders SHOULD definitely have access to their shares in EVE and DUST514. Majority DUST514 Corps should not have to have an EVE alt join them to become part of an alliance. Those however are not exploits they are failures of the game build at this time and much higher priority should be placed on getting the code written to allow corps to manage their corps on an equal basis with EVE corp leaders. Additionally EVE leaders should have the same parity to issue DUST specific roles which were recently introduced.

Definitely not an Exploit
At no point were any of the conspiring alts made CEO to cause the shares to be created in the first place, and in a true sandbox game if you do not do your homework and learn you will get burned. Let them burn. I was the second one in for every case, they all had EVE members besides me with experience and therefore we were operating clearly within the mechanics of the game. GMs jumping in the way they did shows favoritism for DUST514 members which paying EVE players NEVER get.

Examples:
While not related to me it is a good example: A corp believes there is a bug and towards the end it comes out the espionage agent was really good at covering his tracks and the CEO/Director is unable to understand what is happening to him. How is this the espionage operators fault? It isn't. The purpose of Espionage involves sewing deception and confusion into their ranks to further cause issues. (as a side note I spoke with the agent that did this, In their corp channel the corp members began threatening the espionage agents real life afterwards. Not the kind of people we want talking to kids who may be playing the game if you ask me. ) https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=119273&find=unread

if true, it's exceptionally bad practice from ccp and an abuse of the sandbox.

In this next case the CEO is reasonably expected to be upset, they just had their corp stolen, however they went and begged for help and were given an unfair protection from GMs because they "dont know the rules". If I did this in EVE I would have gotten a "Too bad man, HTFU." This espionage is clearly not an exploit as they had admitted to having a great deal of very experienced members in EVE in their corp the whole time, and the leaders were not very smart about their choices. (Also this was legendary in the rage posting from their whole alliance in their EVEmails to me for the last two days. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=119973

Opportunity for Course Correction
So we ask for parity... Corps with DUST leadership should not get special treatment and protections and CCP should really consider putting a priority on ensuring equality and access to roles for EVE and DUST514 leaders managing a corp. Also please consider merging the DUST514 forums into the EVE forums so the DUST players can learn and not suffer in isolation any longer.

This is CCP reversing the actions of EVE players.

Um... why? It's more fun than EVE is right now.

All I really see here is yet another good reason to uncouple DUST from this game as fast as possible, so that it can be allowed to die quietly without seriously effecting our own game mechanics.

This is CCP reversing the actions of EVE players.

Dust is pretty much a failed project for CCP imo. It can't compete with BF4/PS2/any decent current gen shooter. And in a year or two it certainly won't be able to compete with BF5/PS3/any decent next gen shooter.