What is this Dust?

Because pointing out the sandbox over and over again
is in any way or form supporting your claim,
instead of making you look like a ****** for continuously pointing out the obvious.

Not only that ... you are only one guy.
If there is lots of support, then show us a threadnaught.

If you have issues with real life threats, then create harrassment petitions.

The End.

[quote=Solstice Project]Because pointing out the sandbox over and over again
is in any way or form supporting your claim,
instead of making you look like a ****** for continuously pointing out the obvious.

Not only that ... you are only one guy.
If there is lots of support, then show us a threadnaught.

If you have issues with real life threats, then create harrassment petitions.

The End.

The shares and voting system is complicated and we purposefully did not include any of this in DUST. However once you have a mixed corporation you need to understand the implications of having both games involved.

Interesting reads.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1473172#post1473172


On one hand we have the "spirit of EVE". On the other we have DUST. Is it really a good idea to hotdrop the Dusties (aka a FPS console game) with full blown EVE mechanics (i.e. villainy) and excessive complexity? I can see arguments for both sides; integrating with EVE means working in a cold dark untrusting universe, however, it's a damn FPS console game with a different audience, different attention span, limited user interface, etc..

Does CCP want DUST to be as cold and harsh as EVE (i.e. have the same audience, potentially a small niche) or do they want to expand their audience with DUST? If it's the latter, then CCP will need to make DUST less vulnerable (or more buffered/firewalled) to the harshness of EVE.

GMs jumping in the way they did shows favoritism for DUST514 members which paying EVE players NEVER get.

This pretty much.

Different audience requires a different approach. The average F2P FPS player isn't going to expect, let alone be part of, the EVE meta game of espionage etc. If you start allowing that stuff it's a powder keg of bad publicity waiting to happen for Dust. The 'simple' FPS players who just want to shoot stuff for half an hour will start complaining about how Dust is an unfair game how they got scammed out of their corp. Perfectly legit as it may be, a casual FPS gamer will never ever understand it.

So no, bad idea. Dust is NOT EVE. Dust is connected to EVE and nothing more. I clearly see CCP's reasoning in protecting Dust corps on this matter.

Edit: Oh and...



When did all this 'all should be equal and fair' crap become a theme? It's starting to get annoying.

This pretty much.

Different audience requires a different approach. The average F2P FPS player isn't going to expect, let alone be part of, the EVE meta game of espionage etc. If you start allowing that stuff it's a powder keg of bad publicity waiting to happen for Dust. The 'simple' FPS players who just want to shoot stuff for half an hour will start complaining about how Dust is an unfair game how they got scammed out of their corp. Perfectly legit as it may be, a casual FPS gamer will never ever understand it.

So no, bad idea. Dust is NOT EVE. Dust is connected to EVE and nothing more. I clearly see CCP's reasoning in protecting Dust corps on this matter.

Edit: Oh and...



When did all this 'all should be equal and fair' crap become a theme? It's starting to get annoying.

So why would they actually want to STOP it from happening in Dust?

If they lose many more players, they might actually have to admit DUST 514 is a spectacular failure.

So now they are protecting what they have left, which still looks like an old rotting corpse to everyone but CCP.

But they might actually gain members and revitalise the current members interest in the game.

Contrary to popular belief, the players that have stuck around are the ones that WANT to be part of the EVE universe, the average shooter fans have long given up on the game anyway.

But they might actually gain members and revitalise the current members interest in the game.

Contrary to popular belief, the players that have stuck around are the ones that WANT to be part of the EVE universe, the average shooter fans have long given up on the game anyway.

Or possibly.... CCP is not 'falling into the same trap'
But taking steps because the player base is becoming increasingly hostile to each other and using lower & lower tricks to exploit the system.
Look at yourselves first before you start blaming CCP.

Just a quick update all...

I logged on tonight to check if Vala had the corp back and she hasn't.

I have no idea what CCP did to help, but it's not succeeded. When Vala logged on today at the end of the vote timer with the hope she could have her CEO powers unblocked due to the vote ending.. she found that Jihad had control of the corp, which resulted in him kicking the players who have been supporting her.

Now Jihad has transferred CEO to RAider Vherikor and Vala has no control over the corp anymore.

By his own admission on the EVE forums, Jihad has posted announcing the exploit he found and used against DUST CORE, and mentions he has hit multiple corps via this 'bug/exploit' between the games.

CCP This is your own fault for bad coding, and this coming from someone who works in the game industry himself. You have proivided players with no way to defend themselves from espionage in this instance. If they could defend themselves and lost it, then fair enough.. that's the world of New Eden, but due to bad choices, you have given players the ability to ruin someone's hard work without being challenged.

This should be put to rights to undo your mistake, to reinstate control of the corps to their owners. As mentioned.. i would support the espionage if it was fair and Dust CEO's had mechanics to defend themselves. Since there are no mechanics to do such, then you should put these to rights, and put in defenses against it. Any other course of action imho is down to negligence.

So sorry.. despite CCP claiming they have helped, The theft was successful.

While I disapprove of having GMs step in and help dust bunnies who've been a victim of Eve polictics, after reading how it was done, I conclude that Dust mercs simply do not have the proper tools to deal with a threat such as this, so the GMs stepping in aren't entirely wrong.

What SHOULD be done imho, is make the corp mechanics in Dust work the same way as in Eve, so dust bunnies have all the tools and abilities available to them when it comes to corp mechanics as Eve players. This is the only way that you can fight off a capsuleer from using corporate mechanics to mess up dust corps.

The fact that dust corps operate differently, without shares and whatnot, but as soon as an Eve player gets anywhere in the corp things get switched over into the Eve mechanics, which makes it a whole different ballpark, the dust bunnies are basicly screwed, and there's nothing they can do about it. Add in to this that if they wish to work together with Eve players to form an alliance and such, they NEED an Eve player to help out, things become utterly stupid.

Interesting reads.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1473172#post1473172


On one hand we have the "spirit of EVE". On the other we have DUST. Is it really a good idea to hotdrop the Dusties (aka a FPS console game) with full blown EVE mechanics (i.e. villainy) and excessive complexity? I can see arguments for both sides; integrating with EVE means working in a cold dark untrusting universe, however, it's a damn FPS console game with a different audience, different attention span, limited user interface, etc..

Does CCP want DUST to be as cold and harsh as EVE (i.e. have the same audience, potentially a small niche) or do they want to expand their audience with DUST? If it's the latter, then CCP will need to make DUST less vulnerable (or more buffered/firewalled) to the harshness of EVE.