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Cade Morrigan	Posted - 2006.02.14 14:32:00 - [1] What do y'all think of shifting the Moa's slots slightly by moving one low slot up to a mid space? I have the toughest time with Moa setups for anything but hi sec PvE; It's lack of mid slots are a direct contradiction to its nice shield resist bonus and propensity for sheild tanking. I think i'll start a petition... /signed
Kyo Kuno	Posted - 2006.02.14 14:35:00 - [2] I like it but do these petitions ever work?
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.02.14 14:36:00 - [3] or baybe even 5-6-3 ? join soar angelic
jbob2000	Posted - 2006.02.14 14:40:00 - [4] no. Not any more!!111 BWAHAHAHAH!!11 - Imaran
Drigan	Posted - 2006.02.14 14:42:00 - [5] Originally by: jbob2000 no. awwww
Cade Morrigan	Posted - 2006.02.14 15:05:00 - [6] Originally by: jbob2000 no. well argued point!
DarK	Posted - 2006.02.14 15:12:00 - [7] We tried to get this to happen with the MK2 changes, but it never happend. Tux kept ignoring it while focussing on thorax whines by newbs. 6/5/3 is what's needed, as it cannot tank + fit the usual useful med modules at same time. 6/4/4 is stupid and anyone that dissagrees is wrong.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.02.14 16:24:00 - [8] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 14/02/2006 16:25:33 Originally by: DarK We tried to get this to happen with the MK2 changes, but it never happend. Tux kept ignoring it while focussing on thorax whines by newbs. 6/5/3 is what's needed, as it cannot tank + fit the usual useful med modules at same time. 6/4/4 is stupid and anyone that dissagrees is wrong. Sad but true. Think the main problem is most pilots want to tackle and kill, and tank a little too. If they can change their thinking a little, 6/4/4 is OK. Just cant have best of both worlds. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! [white]Jenny Spitfire podded me [:oop
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.14 16:53:00 - [9] well... even caracal is hell of a EW ship, no need to give them another. Maybe you could get 6/3/5 :)? And change in ship bonus to armor tank, so you quit complaining about shield tank/EW issues. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Kery Nysell	Posted - 2006.02.14 17:29:00 - [10] Edited by: Kery Nysell on 14/02/2006 17:29:07 The Caracal got another "free" medslot in the Mk 2 Project, so it's 5/5/2 now ... I think the Moa would be much more coherent (and usefull) with a 6/5/3 layout rather than it's 6/4/4 actual layout, but I'm not a DEV ... maybe they have a trick up their sleeves ...
Cade Morrigan	Posted - 2006.02.14 17:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Sad but true. Think the main problem is most pilots want to tackle and kill, and tank a little too. If they can change their thinking a little, 6/4/4 is OK. Just cant have best of both worlds. Maller, Omen, Thorax and Rupture have the best of both worlds, they can tank their 5 lows and have the mids to catch and hold their prey. Why can't the tier 3 Caldari cruiser have the same ability?
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2006.02.14 17:36:00 - [12] Well, the concern is if the Moa were a 5/3, it could run a booster powered tank, and still loadout on Mag Stabs. As it stands, the Moa can at least run a full shield tank with Inulv IIs. Harry Voyager ____________________ I'm not an idiot; I just play one on the forums.
Valea Silpha	Posted - 2006.02.14 17:41:00 - [13] I think the point is that the Moa is a long range ship and so doesn't really need a tank that much, or indeed hold its target down. Just need a booster, invul field and photon scattering to tank rats at 40km. Then an AB to keep range... 3 mag stabs and a tracking enhancer in lows ... It just seems to me that the Moa isn't a 'brawler' its a sniper. I have some sort of genetic defect that makes my sigs too big :(
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.02.14 17:47:00 - [14] Originally by: Cade Morrigan Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Sad but true. Think the main problem is most pilots want to tackle and kill, and tank a little too. If they can change their thinking a little, 6/4/4 is OK. Just cant have best of both worlds. Maller, Omen, Thorax and Rupture have the best of both worlds, they can tank their 5 lows and have the mids to catch and hold their prey. Why can't the tier 3 Caldari cruiser have the same ability? Hey, dont get me wrong. I am not against it. I was just commenting that Moas cant have the best of both worlds. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! [white]Jenny Spitfire podded me [:oop
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.14 18:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 14/02/2006 16:25:33 Originally by: DarK We tried to get this to happen with the MK2 changes, but it never happend. Tux kept ignoring it while focussing on thorax whines by newbs. 6/5/3 is what's needed, as it cannot tank + fit the usual useful med modules at same time. 6/4/4 is stupid and anyone that dissagrees is wrong. Sad but true. Think the main problem is most pilots want to tackle and kill, and tank a little too. If they can change their thinking a little, 6/4/4 is OK. Just cant have best of both worlds. no - as with most caldari rail ships, they need mids to enhance their weaponry (i.e. sensor boosters and tracking computers), sometimes need a speed mod if they want to get to a gate in under 10 hours, AND need to fit some kind of a tank. an eagle can (just) about get away with a 2-slot tank. a moa can't, unless it sacrifices either a speed mod or a sensor/tracking mod. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Sarmaul 4tw.
Sebastien LeReparteur	Posted - 2006.02.14 18:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 14/02/2006 16:25:33 Originally by: DarK We tried to get this to happen with the MK2 changes, but it never happend. Tux kept ignoring it while focussing on thorax whines by newbs. 6/5/3 is what's needed, as it cannot tank + fit the usual useful med modules at same time. 6/4/4 is stupid and anyone that dissagrees is wrong. Sad but true. Think the main problem is most pilots want to tackle and kill, and tank a little too. If they can change their thinking a little, 6/4/4 is OK. Just cant have best of both worlds. no - as with most caldari rail ships, they need mids to enhance their weaponry (i.e. sensor boosters and tracking computers), sometimes need a speed mod if they want to get to a gate in under 10 hours, AND need to fit some kind of a tank. an eagle can (just) about get away with a 2-slot tank. a moa can't, unless it sacrifices either a speed mod or a sensor/tracking mod. Use a low slot for a tracking Mod. Voila problem solved.
JohnMcKnight	Posted - 2006.02.14 19:02:00 - [17] Valea Silpha called it 100%.
Kyo Kuno	Posted - 2006.02.14 19:44:00 - [18] If you make us a snipers, you should let us have an 80km warp scrambler. But since this won't happen, I'm going to train another race's ships that allow me to hold the prey and tank while firing off guns.
Porter Hadlend	Posted - 2006.02.14 19:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Kyo Kuno If you make us a snipers, you should let us have an 80km warp scrambler. But since this won't happen, I'm going to train another race's ships that allow me to hold the prey and tank while firing off guns. Worst idea ever. -------------- Porter Hadlend Round 2.
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.02.14 19:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Kyo Kuno If you make us a snipers, you should let us have an 80km warp scrambler. But since this won't happen, I'm going to train another race's ships that allow me to hold the prey and tank while firing off guns. if u dont fit scrambler on it moa tank fine join soar angelic
Beringe	Posted - 2006.02.14 19:51:00 - [21] Originally by: Kyo Kuno If you make us a snipers, you should let us have an 80km warp scrambler. But since this won't happen, I'm going to train another race's ships that allow me to hold the prey and tank while firing off guns. Two words: Designated tackler. Snipers operate best in a group. ------------------------------------------- Never underestimate the power of language.
Kyo Kuno	Posted - 2006.02.14 19:51:00 - [22] Originally by: Porter Hadlend Originally by: Kyo Kuno If you make us a snipers, you should let us have an 80km warp scrambler. But since this won't happen, I'm going to train another race's ships that allow me to hold the prey and tank while firing off guns. Worst idea ever. Christ... I wasn't being serious. I was pointing out that I didn't like how Caldari ships have to be support in gangs or fleets. EW support with blackbird, extra firepower with Caracal, or a sniper with Moa.
Porter Hadlend	Posted - 2006.02.14 19:53:00 - [23] Edited by: Porter Hadlend on 14/02/2006 19:54:57 Originally by: Kyo Kuno Originally by: Porter Hadlend Originally by: Kyo Kuno If you make us a snipers, you should let us have an 80km warp scrambler. But since this won't happen, I'm going to train another race's ships that allow me to hold the prey and tank while firing off guns. Worst idea ever. Christ... I wasn't being serious. I was pointing out that I didn't like how Caldari ships have to be support in gangs or fleets. EW support with blackbird, extra firepower with Caracal, or a sniper with Moa. Still waiting for them to release that internet psychic ability. Until then, it's a little hard to interpret Random Player X with a ! for a portrait's thoughts on whatever half-baked idea is being brought up on the forums. -edit- Also this is a massively multiplayer game. It sort of presumes you like playing with other people. You can solo it I suppose.. but accept that it ain't designed for that. Also, you must be absolutely kidding when you say that Caldari ships require more support than other races. You are right? -------------- Porter Hadlend Round 2.
Kyo Kuno	Posted - 2006.02.14 19:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Porter Hadlend Originally by: Kyo Kuno Originally by: Porter Hadlend Originally by: Kyo Kuno If you make us a snipers, you should let us have an 80km warp scrambler. But since this won't happen, I'm going to train another race's ships that allow me to hold the prey and tank while firing off guns. Worst idea ever. Christ... I wasn't being serious. I was pointing out that I didn't like how Caldari ships have to be support in gangs or fleets. EW support with blackbird, extra firepower with Caracal, or a sniper with Moa. Still waiting for them to release that internet psychic ability. Until then, it's a little hard to interpret Random Player X with a ! for a portrait's thoughts on whatever half-baked idea is being brought up on the forums. Yeah sorry about not being clear.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.02.14 20:00:00 - [25] the blackbird is ECM specialised with its 6 mids. No other cruiser should manage that. I personally think the moa is in severe need of a boost - it doesn't outclass any of the other tier 3 t1 crusiers at anything. the caracal is a much better general ship IMO sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.02.14 20:07:00 - [26] Originally by: HippoKing the blackbird is ECM specialised with its 6 mids. No other cruiser should manage that. I personally think the moa is in severe need of a boost - it doesn't outclass any of the other tier 3 t1 crusiers at anything. the caracal is a much better general ship IMO idea lets make moa close range ship :) lol join soar angelic
Cade Morrigan	Posted - 2006.02.14 20:09:00 - [27] Moa is a sniper Caracal is fire support Blackbird is EW support Where's the Caldari cruiser that can hold, do damage, and tank? Every other race has one or more, but Caldari are relegated to support roles. Moving a low slot to a mid wouldn't stop the Moa from being a good sniper, but it would make it capable of more than just that single role. Why is this a problem for people?
Wizie	Posted - 2006.02.14 20:12:00 - [28] Give it a mid take away a low Remove its tanking bonus or revert it back to what it was before.
Kyo Kuno	Posted - 2006.02.14 20:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Cade Morrigan Moa is a sniper Caracal is fire support Blackbird is EW support Where's the Caldari cruiser that can hold, do damage, and tank? Every other race has one or more, but Caldari are relegated to support roles. Moving a low slot to a mid wouldn't stop the Moa from being a good sniper, but it would make it capable of more than just that single role. Why is this a problem for people? Okay Cade pretty much said what I was trying to say but better.
Drigan	Posted - 2006.02.14 20:14:00 - [30] Originally by: Wizie Give it a mid take away a low Remove its tanking bonus or revert it back to what it was before. What was it before?

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