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Ashvul	Posted - 2006.02.14 23:28:00 - [1] I am selling a Manticore BPO, well researched, production time with industry 5 is down to roughly 6 and a half hours. It is available on escrow for 22 bil. Now you may ask yourself, "Why should I pay you 22 billion isk? That BPO can't be worth that much!" But in fact it is. Through months of experience and research I have developed production systems ANY person can imitate. Current profit for building manticores with this system is aproximately 2.4 bil per month, but you can easily make more using it for more than just manticore production. (Why would I sell such a great profit maker? Because I'm lazy as hell.) It is apparent to me that very few people are aware of this system, but I am willing to share this well kept secret with the buyer of my blueprint, as well as detailed instructions, excel sheets, and even a few starting materials if desired.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.02.15 00:46:00 - [2] Originally by: Ashvul Through months of experience and research I have developed production systems ANY person can imitate.
FowlPlayChiken	Posted - 2006.02.15 01:36:00 - [3] so it would take approx 1 year (!) to make back the isk i spent on it? no thanks
Ashvul	Posted - 2006.02.15 02:10:00 - [4] people regularly buy bpos for things that will take more than 18 months to pay off. and for the record, at 2.4b a month it's aproximately 9 months, not a year. and 2.4 is just from the manticore, you can easily make more than that if you apply it correctly.
Joe	Posted - 2006.02.15 02:14:00 - [5] Originally by: FowlPlayChiken so it would take approx 1 year (!) to make back the isk i spent on it? no thanks I really hate it when people post crap like this, i'm sure any interested party knows how todo the basic maths themselves. Just to clear something up for the silly people, you dont need to 'make back the isk' with a bpo, you make an income, its usually retains it value, and...... it CAN actually be resold again.(omgosh)
Nishijima Manbeater	Posted - 2006.02.15 02:16:00 - [6] Wish I had the isk. Good ship and usually a good seller from what I've seen. Will your techniques work for the armor em hardener 2? If so give me a holler.
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Mr Stargate	Posted - 2006.02.15 03:15:00 - [9] lol 0_o ------------ EOG is Recruting Now <Click>
Emmerich Steiner	Posted - 2006.02.15 03:49:00 - [10] I wish I had 22 billion :/ A manticore BPO is a definant want, this it is by far the best stealth bomber in the game. My domi is pretty ugly It's tech II drones do the deed. And that thorax ramming me fits oh so snugly. I surely hope this poem made your ears bleed.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2006.02.15 04:00:00 - [11] I also own a manticore BPO, and I will be honest, the profit isn't that high. Regardless, the BPO is worth at least that. And whilst you may laugh at a year to get your money back, most BPO's selling atm don't make their investment back in a year, average is about 18 months or so. I'm not letting mine go just yet though... Rumour has it that Tuxford has some 'tweaks' for stealth bombers planned. -------- Shinra Director
Ashvul	Posted - 2006.02.15 04:11:00 - [12] you are not using my patented system

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The Enslaver	Posted - 2006.02.15 04:17:00 - [14] Originally by: Ashvul you are not using my patented system Unless you are producing 6 manticores every 24 hours, when they have a 7 hour production time when researched a lot, you can't do that. So... Uhm... Ya. -------- Shinra Director
Ashvul	Posted - 2006.02.15 04:19:00 - [15] producing 5 manticores a day with a build cost under 3m. and build time is 7 hours with PL:1, PL:4 is 6 hours and 34 minutes.
Jonask'ri	Posted - 2006.02.15 09:07:00 - [16] Originally by: Ashvul producing 5 manticores a day with a build cost under 3m. and build time is 7 hours with PL:1, PL:4 is 6 hours and 34 minutes. Thats some funny math. 5 x 6.5 hours < 24 Hours? :o Build cost under 3mil? :o Are you one of those funny people who mine stuff and don't count it in the cost? :P Anyway, its worth the asking price. (Also has a Manticore BPO, and obviously not using the patented system) ----- Redwolf > No Solar System can be found with 'c_ck' in the beginning its name. Jonask'ri
Arlenik Emmanouelik	Posted - 2006.02.15 09:44:00 - [17] That is one mighty BPO, and well worth it. I just wish I had 22bil, I would buy it in a second. Are you selling any copies of it? and if so, how much if I may ask? Peace!
DeODokktor	Posted - 2006.02.15 10:39:00 - [18] Edited by: DeODokktor on 15/02/2006 10:39:13 I can vouch for the new patent on doing ** correctly. build cost are around 3m so I dont see why that parts confusing. I look for bpo's to return their cost within 9 months, else I dont like them (unless I really just want it).. bpo's hold value only as long as eve is running. Dec 2007 will be the end of eve (ccp will have something new by then) So I guess you could figgure value to be something that pay soff by about mid 2007 (when ccp will give announcements that it's all ending ;P All joking aside tho. 22b for this bpo isnt that much considering what others are willing to pay for ** prints.
XeraX	Posted - 2006.02.15 12:03:00 - [19] 22 Bill?? Nope sorry. Dont have that kinna ISK. Would love some copies tho. You selling those? If so. Please contact me ingame. Peace. XeraX
Kari Moltov	Posted - 2006.02.15 12:36:00 - [20] I'll give you 5bn, maybe a bit more, gimme a shout over eve-mail!
Zarks	Posted - 2006.02.15 13:14:00 - [21] Manticore bpo or save a couple more isk and buy a hac bpo? That¦s a tough one. ___________________________________________________ Looking for Chelm/Draclira mega beam lasers. Also looking for cruise launcher II BPO, isk available.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.02.15 13:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Ashvul producing 5 manticores a day with a build cost under 3m. and build time is 7 hours with PL:1, PL:4 is 6 hours and 34 minutes. 5 units x 6h34min production time = 1,670 minutes. There are 1,440 minutes in a day. Thats a 16% difference. Put another way, you build 4.3 units and not 5. All other things equal, this drops your profit to less than 19 bill / year.
DeODokktor	Posted - 2006.02.15 13:40:00 - [23] Originally by: Zarks Manticore bpo or save a couple more isk and buy a hac bpo? That¦s a tough one. WTB Cerb bpo, 24b
Shimpu	Posted - 2006.02.15 13:47:00 - [24] Originally by: DeODokktor Dec 2007 will be the end of eve (ccp will have something new by then) Now that's some news!?
Jonask'ri	Posted - 2006.02.15 14:13:00 - [25] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Ashvul producing 5 manticores a day with a build cost under 3m. and build time is 7 hours with PL:1, PL:4 is 6 hours and 34 minutes. 5 units x 6h34min production time = 1,670 minutes. There are 1,440 minutes in a day. Thats a 16% difference. Put another way, you build 4.3 units and not 5. All other things equal, this drops your profit to less than 19 bill / year. 6 hours = 360 Minutes. 6 hours 34 minutes = 394 minutes. 5*394 = 1970. Anyway ;) Just to prove simple arithmetic, not flaming. As I said, I have the BPO and would like to see this go for a good price. I think 22 bil is fair. ----- Redwolf > No Solar System can be found with 'c_ck' in the beginning its name. Jonask'ri
Zoltaris	Posted - 2006.02.15 14:15:00 - [26] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Ashvul producing 5 manticores a day with a build cost under 3m. and build time is 7 hours with PL:1, PL:4 is 6 hours and 34 minutes. 5 units x 6h34min production time = 1,670 minutes. There are 1,440 minutes in a day. Thats a 16% difference. Put another way, you build 4.3 units and not 5. Actually, 5x 6h 34min = 1970 min, that means 3.65 units / day ----- > Order Falcon & Pilgrim
Ashvul	Posted - 2006.02.15 17:57:00 - [27] Yes, but you have forgotten to take into account the Advanced Small Ship Assmbly Array, which has a time multiplier. It still isnt 5 a day, but it's closer, and as I said before, the profit is not limited to manticores.
Ashvul	Posted - 2006.02.15 20:31:00 - [28] The BPO is still for sale BTW. Nobody has even sent me decent offers. =P
Hal9001	Posted - 2006.02.15 20:38:00 - [29] Originally by: DeODokktor Edited by: DeODokktor on 15/02/2006 10:39:13 I can vouch for the new patent on doing ** correctly. build cost are around 3m so I dont see why that parts confusing. I look for bpo's to return their cost within 9 months, else I dont like them (unless I really just want it).. bpo's hold value only as long as eve is running. Dec 2007 will be the end of eve (ccp will have something new by then) So I guess you could figgure value to be something that pay soff by about mid 2007 (when ccp will give announcements that it's all ending ;P All joking aside tho. 22b for this bpo isnt that much considering what others are willing to pay for ** prints. What?? EVE is comming to an end? shutting it down? Where did you get this info?
Mari Y'Tuk	Posted - 2006.02.15 21:18:00 - [30] cost is ~ 4.3mil a ship, sell price is ~20mil, thats ~16mil a ship, 4 ships a day, 64mil a day, thats 448mil a week - 1.75bil a month, where goes the other 650mil come from? My Production Spreadsheet, Most T1 Bp data, Located here.
Ashvul	Posted - 2006.02.15 21:22:00 - [31] as I have already said, cost is under 3m using my methods.
Byarne	Posted - 2006.02.15 21:37:00 - [32] Dude, if your looking for math on profit it is like this, Sellprice - Buildcost - factory cost - work = profit Meaning lets say you get 17m for the bomber like it is, i looked at your bpo the cost is about 3.2m per ship and that is only for the componets and stuff, giving lets say about 1 mill per ship in labor cost for the workers or some**, this is real life math on the matter, so it is like this 17m - 3.2 = 13,8m per ship earned. you manufactor 3.2 ship per day giving you the grand total of 3.2 x 13,8 ( without labor cost and factory cost, maintance of macinery ect.. hehe) but okey back on topic you get = 44.160.000 isk per day earned. each month holds 30 days balanced over year so = 44.160.000 x 30 = 1.324.800.000 isk per month and ofc. we have 12 months so that income x 12 and you have one year earned balance of = 15.897.600.000 isk earned. That number is only if the componet price, mineral price dont go up or down aswell as the current selling price wont fall ect... and note, the cost of hauling the componets, minerals, and cost of factory aint even in this. now i will only say this once, if you do math on profit, you need to take the overall price and subtract cost from it to get profit, not just multiple the overall number of how manny ships you make per year... Now if you want to take this matter elsewere im sure you can find ppl that do this math in reallife to find the same as i, since i am one of those person :)... Taking that all in consiter the top earning of this print with current price and without consitering that the price could both fall down or even rize more. 15.897.600.000 isk** i offer 12b
Ashvul	Posted - 2006.02.15 21:44:00 - [33] first of all, if I build in a station factory, it costs 2.75m per ship, if I build at a POS assembly array, fuel costs bring it up to 2.9m per ship. I constantly sell them for 19 to 21 mil. There is not much work involved, since I normally obtain my building materials in several month stockpiles. So the bulk of the work is hauling once every several months, then after that it's just right click blueprint, manufacture. Factory costs next to nothing, it costs less than 10k for each time I install the blueprint. You can knock the asking price all you want, but do not challenge my math.
Stratosfear	Posted - 2006.02.15 21:56:00 - [34] This is a sale forum not a discussion thread. 20-22b for this BPO seems fair.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.02.15 23:01:00 - [35] Originally by: Stratosfear 20-22b for this BPO seems fair. So you discussed it too
Matsuni	Posted - 2006.02.15 23:37:00 - [36] Edited by: Matsuni on 15/02/2006 23:37:22 394 min production time 1440 min in a day 1440/394 = 3.655 ships per day. average sell price 19mil build price 3.2mil 19-3.2 = 15.8mil profit per ship 15.8 x 3.655 = 57.749mil per day 57.749 x 365(days) = 21,078,385,000isk now for god sake stop discusing and give the man an offer!
KHEN	Posted - 2006.02.16 09:19:00 - [37] The low build cost is because the builder produces his components himself using advanced materials and components bpo. I don't see a secret there nor genius idea. But it doesn't take in account that the component would sell very well too. Even if the components build cost is low (around 1,8 Mil), the component would sell easily for a nice price (around 5 or 6 Mil). So the real build cost is not so low because it doesn't take into account the real market price of the components. It's exactly as if you considered that the minerals that you use are free because you mine them yourself.
WallStArb	Posted - 2006.02.16 14:26:00 - [38] The gallente bombers sell for about 10 mil --> Manticore sell for about 20 mil and the Nemisis BPOs sell for 3 bil. Therefore I wil bid 5 bil Some must die so others may become infinite
Abram	Posted - 2006.02.16 15:37:00 - [39] Edited by: Abram on 16/02/2006 15:37:33 I will give you 14 billion for it
Psychodelica	Posted - 2006.02.16 16:42:00 - [40] since when the manticore became a HAC? o.0
Keldridge	Posted - 2006.02.16 17:13:00 - [41] Oh, if I had even 2.2 bil, let alone 22 bil... But one thing I did want to clear up on all the math.. You buy the BPO, you build the ships, you make whatever you make on the ships, and after 6 months or 2 years or whatever, you still have the BPO. You could still sell it. So if I wanted to buy the BPO, and I only made 10bil in a year, and then I sold the BPO... I would more than likely come out way ahead... /shrug Keld
Ashvul	Posted - 2006.02.16 20:27:00 - [42] Originally by: KHEN Edited by: KHEN on 16/02/2006 10:02:55 The low build cost is because the builder produces his components himself using advanced materials and components bpo. I don't see a secret there nor genius idea. But it doesn't take into account that the components would sell very well separately. Even if the components build cost is low (around 1,8 Mil), the component would sell easily for a nice price (around 5 or 6 Mil). So the real build cost is not so low because it doesn't take into account the real market price of the components. It's exactly as if you considered that the minerals that you use are free because you mine them yourself. But producing the components for a T2 ship requires strong organization : 7 component bpos and regular supplies of 8 advanced materials. 225 components needed/manticore at ME:0, 7 hours of production slot usage to manufacture these. Not an thing easy to manage for a lazy guy. BTW nice bpo, I would buy it if I had the isks I am quite aware of this fact, BUT you can produce so many adv materials in a short amount of time that you would have enough stock to last this particular bpo for months. From market prices of adv materials and components, I can conjecture that few people are aware if the low production cost. With the massive overstock on materials, you can sell the extras to make a great deal of additional profit.
Ashvul	Posted - 2006.02.17 07:00:00 - [43] BPO Still for sale, it's currently in productivity time research to make it even better =P
Ashvul	Posted - 2006.02.18 23:54:00 - [44] Researched another productivity level, build time is 6 hours, 28 minutes, 53 seconds. Aproximately 5 hours 50 minutes with an adv ship assembly array, so 123 ships built in one month. BPO on escrow again.
The Hostess	Posted - 2006.02.19 01:40:00 - [45] Originally by: DeODokktor Edited by: DeODokktor on 15/02/2006 10:39:13 I can vouch for the new patent on doing ** correctly. build cost are around 3m so I dont see why that parts confusing. I look for bpo's to return their cost within 9 months, else I dont like them (unless I really just want it).. bpo's hold value only as long as eve is running. Dec 2007 will be the end of eve (ccp will have something new by then) So I guess you could figgure value to be something that pay soff by about mid 2007 (when ccp will give announcements that it's all ending ;P All joking aside tho. 22b for this bpo isnt that much considering what others are willing to pay for ** prints. WTF - If thats true I want to know where you got the information from. If not I sincerly hope that CCP is looking into at least sending you a warning. Spreading a rumour like this can severly hurt subscriptions you know ? Hell, if this d be true that Eve is scheduled for an end at 2007 I d stop playing very soon myself.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.02.19 03:16:00 - [46] Originally by: The Hostess All joking aside tho. WTF - If thats true I want to know where you got the information from. If not I sincerly hope that CCP is looking into at least sending you a warning. Spreading a rumour like this can severly hurt subscriptions you know ? Hell, if this d be true that Eve is scheduled for an end at 2007 I d stop playing very soon myself. Reading and comprehension skills ftw.
The Hostess	Posted - 2006.02.20 01:35:00 - [47] Edited by: The Hostess on 20/02/2006 01:35:59 was tired at that point and seriously that kind of joke is still only mildly funneh
Xidde	Posted - 2006.02.20 05:05:00 - [48] Whine in this box --> [------] <----- If you dont have 22bil leave the man alone.. he will know if he wants to lower the price.. I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris
Ashvul	Posted - 2006.02.20 23:58:00 - [49] I lowered the price to 20b, which was my original asking price before adv assembly arrays came out. Still for sale on escrow. Please do not offer less than 17b, as someone already has offered me that in game.
Ashvul	Posted - 2006.02.23 07:03:00 - [50] Uh oh, still for sale!
Ashvul	Posted - 2006.02.23 22:36:00 - [51] Just a quick little update, POS assembly arrays have gotten a bit of love in the patch notes, making this print more profitable: Adv Small Ship Assembly Array Time Multiplier: 0.75 Material Multiplier: 1.1 That means over 140 manticores can be built each month, vs the 110 or so from a normal factory.
Tristan Hellbringer	Posted - 2006.02.25 09:34:00 - [52] does this mean you have to keep your BPO in a POS to produce it there? ain't that risky? //crunatus.net__
KHEN	Posted - 2006.02.25 11:29:00 - [53] Edited by: KHEN on 25/02/2006 11:30:31 Edited by: KHEN on 25/02/2006 11:29:34 Originally by: Tristan Hellbringer does this mean you have to keep your BPO in a POS to produce it there? ain't that risky? It is not risky because the bpo can remain in the hangar of a npc station. If the POS would be destroyed you would only loose the components used to build the ships, not the bpo. BTW the hauling task is big, 140 ships/month represent 350.000m3 of assembled ships to haul (2500m3/elite frigate) and you can't dock a freighter at a POS.

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