Hi All

No doubt this will get shot down in flames but what about having a probe type that allows the scanning down of salvage - all those left over wrecks from missions and such like are valuable resource ... plus for us ninja salvagers it would make that process a little less fraught ...

It's been a longstanding request to finalise the whole salvaging mini-profession. Apparently, there's some nasty combination of technical restraints and causing huge database loads that keeps it from happening.

One would think that, when a wreck is spawned, it could also create a GÇ£wreck beaconGÇ¥ on that very grid, and any additional wreck creations then add to the signal strength of that beacon.

NOOOOOO. This would suck. You are already very vulnerable when salvaging anoms but at least you can cloak if you see combats on dscan with this they would just be able to warp to the site and wait for you.

Silly trolls...

I like the idea, for one, ninja salvagers and newbie salvagers can then go find those mission wrecks in high sec that people left behind. I know I generally don't salvage unless I have someone with me doing it for me who gets a cut of the loot.
Having the ability to go into space and find those left behind wrecks by others would make a great profession for some people.
Taking the loot would still make them suspect unless it's abandoned ofc, but hey, no risk, no reward.

[Iam not trolling. I do like it and think you should be able to scan down wrecks. but also that stealing the wreck as that is what your doing by salvageing someone else's wreck it sould be treated the same as can fliping or taking loot from wrecks....

GǪexcept, of course, that you're not stealing the wrecks since they don't belong to anyone. They're just a natural resource hanging around waiting for extraction, like asteroids.

See this is where we disagree that person has worked and risked their ship to create that wreck. so what ur saying is along the lines of that miner ore in his hold is just a natural resource so i should be able to take that ore from his cargo hold. does not matter that he has spent the time mining it.

See this is where we disagree that person has worked and risked their ship to create that wreck. so what ur saying is along the lines of that miner ore in his hold is just a natural resource so i should be able to take that ore from his cargo hold. does not matter that he has spent the time mining it.

Carebears detected...

Salvage is salvage, not loot. +1 for request.

See this is where we disagree that person has worked and risked their ship to create that wreck.

so what ur saying is along the lines of that miner ore in his hold is just a natural resource so i should be able to take that ore from his cargo hold. does not matter that he has spent the time mining it.

There is no need to hand hold ninja salvagers. You need to keep the scanning aspect in the loop as is. I mean I know they destroyed the old exploration profession with scanning lite, why would people want more of that kind of auto terrible hand holding.....I think the population of EVE has been infiltrated by the make it easy crowd.

GǪexcept, of course, that you're not stealing the wrecks since they don't belong to anyone. They're just a natural resource hanging around waiting for extraction, like asteroids.

I know your right int he way you describe it. as that is how the game works. i still think its bollox and the wreck should belong the to guy that turn the npc ship into the wreck.

salvageing someone else's wreck should have risk for its reward.

But i dont think its right that it works that way that it sould be owned by the person that shot it. but hey thats the game and why we play it i guess

So requiring special equipment and a completely new target for scanning, and expanding the profession to actually search for what you're after somehow counts as GÇ£auto terrible hand holdingGÇ¥?
That doesn't make much senseGǪ

The difference is that CCP agrees with me, and that the entire mechanic has been designed to work the way I describe it.

Oh, so we're playing the "If I agree with current game mechanics then that means CCP agrees with me" game.

CCP agrees with me that T3s shouldn't be able to refit subsystems in space.

CCP agrees with me that bubble immunity for interceptors is a bad idea.

CCP agrees with me that server nodes should crash when there's too many people in the system.

Tippia, while I agree with you that there needs to be more salvage opportunities, I don't like the idea of someone being able to scan down a combat site, enter it, salvage the wrecks and leave without any risk involved.

But I also don't like the fact that the only way wrecks become abandoned is by the owner actively doing so.

Tougher missions can produce a number of wrecks, which take time to salvage, so allowing someone to scan down those wrecks in the interim between my making them and my salvaging them benefits the passive player, while my being able to salvage them depends on me actively producing them.

So learn what game you're playing before making ignorant and/or irrelevant claims.

I was just stating how the game currently is designed to work.

See this is where we disagree that person has worked and risked their ship to create that wreck. so what ur saying is along the lines of that miner ore in his hold is just a natural resource so i should be able to take that ore from his cargo hold. does not matter that he has spent the time mining it.

Wrecks should just be scannable with combat scanners..... Problem solvered.

"us, ninja salvagers"

Ok i lold

As if that is some profession in eve or anything worth to do..
Who the hell ninja salvages if not for possible bait??

Yea, I would have to agree. Salvaging is not difficult as is, just ask in local in mission hubs and you'll often find people willing to let you salvage, and often loot, their wrecks free of charge for low level missions. Myself, I have an alt I use for that, but I wait until the mission is cleared to bring him in. If the game is going to allow someone to potentially take the wrecks I haven't gotten to yet by such a passive method(after all, scanning down an NPC free mission site provides no risk), I should be allowed to defend them. Now if someone scans my combat ship down and comes in during the fight, risking their ship in the process, I don't mind that, and I would even go as far as abandoning those wrecks so that they can tractor them. But you're asking for a risk free reward, whereas I've risked my ship to create those wrecks.

In regards to the quote above, It's a salvaging profession. This means that you come in after and pick through the wreckage to make your isk after you've let the other guy do all the "heavy lifting" so to say. If you're that concerned about defending your wreck (lol carebears) then go to lowsec/nullsec and run those same missions. You can shoot anyone you want that comes into your mission and defend your wrecks as you claim you want the ability to do.

I response to the OP, the whole nature of salvaging is to avoid detection and avoid fights where it is possible. With the NPC AI changes, the salvagers have a much harder time since the rats switch aggression quickly. +1 for the idea as this would tie in nicely with the exploration and salvaging mini-profession very well. I can see where missioners/anom runners in low/null would be upset about this since I can just scan down their wrecks and wait for them outside the site, so OP maybe we should provide some boundaries to the probing?

Potential options:
Skills affect the ability to scan the wrecks. Each wreck size (small, medium, large, etc) has varying required skills to probe down; small wrecks being the hardest. This would at least give the defender a better fighting chance to avoid detection if they pop their own BS wrecks before warping out.

Hi All

No doubt this will get shot down in flames but what about having a probe type that allows the scanning down of salvage - all those left over wrecks from missions and such like are valuable resource ... plus for us ninja salvagers it would make that process a little less fraught ...

i don't understand its already to easy to hunt wrecks down as it is?

Regardless of where you are in New Eden, I don't believe passive income sources should be introduced. There is already a probe available which allows you to scan down a deadspace pocket, warp in and salvage wrecks. It's called a combat probe, and people use them all the time. Scan my ship down, warp in, salvage the wrecks and take the risk of being blown up by myself or the rats. You're asking for a probe which would allow you to scan down an inactive site, one that has already been cleared by another player, and warp in without a bit of risk on your part. Should such a salvage probe/launcher be introduced, I believe that there should be risk involved. Even miners, your undoubted hated enemy, risk the wrath of belt rats. So should they implement salvage probes, they should adjust game mechanics to provide risk to the equation. This could be the game treating deadspace pockets as null sec, allowing players to blow up each other's ships without risking CONCORD intervention, or for a system where NPCs comparable in difficulty to those fought in the mission or anomaly spawn into the site whenever a player is present, or if both of those things create too many tears from you then suspect timers would be the last resort. However, for you to cry about carebears and then ask for the ability to reap some reward without any risk or investment is kind of hypocritical.

You're asking for a probe which would allow you to scan down an inactive site, one that has already been cleared by another player, and warp in without a bit of risk on your part. Should such a salvage probe/launcher be introduced, I believe that there should be risk involved.

How would you know the site is clear?

You wouldn't. You might be warping into a COMPLETE clusterf**k. Or a big massive PvP bash.